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DOGS THAT BARK · Sep 21, 2010

Poverty in Our Cities.

City, State, % of People Below the Poverty Level

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U.S. Census Bureau, 2006 American Community Survey, August 2007

What do the top ten cities (over 250,000) with the highest poverty rate all have in common?

It's been over 2 decades since any have had a republican mayor.

Einstein once said, "The
definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."

"Yes we can--change you can believe in!"

Duff Miver · Sep 21, 2010

Well surprise, surprise. doggie posts a list of cities with high poverty. And which cities are they?

Surprise, surprise. They're cities which were once industrial manufacturing cities, places where we manufactured cars, machine tools, builder's hardware, motorcycles, toys, hand tools, glass, tires, chemicals, business machines, industrial goods of all sorts.

Cities which are now ridden with poverty because all those good jobs have been exported to China.

doggie wants you to believe those cities are now poverty stricken because they have black people living there.

Maybe doggie will explain how all those cities prospered, provided many good jobs and had a high standard of living 30 years ago when they also had large black populations.

Maybe doggie will explain how Detroit was once the third largest city, and third most prosperous city with a large black population.

Naw, he won't.

No...of course he can't explain that.

doggie has one and only one explanation for every ill -

It's the jigaboos!!!!!!!!!!

Trampled Underfoot · Sep 21, 2010

Duff Miver said:
doggie wants you to believe those cities are now poverty stricken because they have black people living there.

Haven't you seen the picture of him with some negros? I'm sure that couldn't be what he was getting at.

Lumi · Sep 21, 2010

Trampled Underfoot said:
Haven't you seen the picture of him with some negros? I'm sure that couldn't be what he was getting at.

bill maher made it acceptable to bust out the "N word" whyaren't the "Progressive Libs" using it?

I would go ahead and do it, but I am certain of the uproar it would cause.

Trampled Underfoot · Sep 21, 2010

illuminati said:
bill maher made it acceptable to bust out the "N word" whyaren't the "Progressive Libs" using it?

I would go ahead and do it, but I am certain of the uproar it would cause.

It's not acceptable.

Trampled Underfoot · Sep 21, 2010

rusty · Sep 21, 2010

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Lumi · Sep 21, 2010

but you said you still like him?

would you still like me if I flung it out there?

The closest I have come to saying anying racist is "A chink in the armor" and calling the CIA and FBI spooks, like that's never been said.

Larry King sat there with his thumb in his ass, eewww yuck ! He should have cracked his skull for that.

It is wrong, I know, but Bill can't go on National TV and do that and to aasume that all Repubs and TeaPartiers are racists. Glenn Beck yes, turn coat piece of shit. I constantly arguel with family over their hard right shit, but they are far from being racist.

I'm sick of pieces a filfth like him making up lies about an entire group based on a handful of turds.

Trampled Underfoot · Sep 21, 2010

illuminati said:
but you said you still like him?

would you still like me if I flung it out there?

The closest I have come to saying anying racist is "A chink in the armor" and calling the CIA and FBI spooks, like that's never been said.

Larry King sat there with his thumb in his ass, eewww yuck ! He should have cracked his skull for that.

It is wrong, I know, but Bill can't go on National TV and do that and to aasume that all Repubs and TeaPartiers are racists. Glenn Beck yes, turn coat piece of shit. I constantly arguel with family over their hard right shit, but they are far from being racist.

I'm sick of pieces a filfth like him making up lies about an entire group based on a handful of turds.

Just because Maher thinks its okay to use that word doesn't mean I don't think everything else he has to say is valid.

Trench · Sep 21, 2010

illuminati said:
but you said you still like him?

would you still like me if I flung it out there?

The closest I have come to saying anying racist is "A chink in the armor" and calling the CIA and FBI spooks, like that's never been said.

Larry King sat there with his thumb in his ass, eewww yuck ! He should have cracked his skull for that.

It is wrong, I know, but Bill can't go on National TV and do that and to aasume that all Repubs and TeaPartiers are racists. Glenn Beck yes, turn coat piece of shit. I constantly arguel with family over their hard right shit, but they are far from being racist.

I'm sick of pieces a filfth like him making up lies about an entire group based on a handful of turds.

First Lumi, Scotty already explained the context in which Maher used the word. Try to keep up.

Second, Ron & Randy need to abandon the Tea Party. The Tea Party's been taken over by Palins, Bachmanns & O'Donnells of the Republican Party. It's time for the Paul's to stop the charade and declare themselves what they really are... Libertarians.

Trench · Sep 21, 2010

DOGS THAT BARK said:
U.S. Census Bureau, 2006 American Community Survey, August 2007

"Yes we can--change you can believe in!"

Only DTB would use 2006 Census Data to show how Obama's economic policies are failing... :mj07:

Lumi · Sep 21, 2010

Trench Fickler said:
First Lumi, Scotty already explained the context in which Maher used the word. Try to keep up.

Second, Ron & Randy need to abandon the Tea Party. The Tea Party's been taken over by Palins, Bachmanns & O'Donnells of the Republican Party. It's time for the Paul's to stop the charade and declare themselves what they really are... Libertarians.

I keep up just fine, does the context really matter?

The Snapple Party adopted Rand and he took whatever support he could get.

Ron Paul a Snapple Party Member, you are smoking some better shit than I got. :mj07:

Trench · Sep 21, 2010

illuminati said:
I keep up just fine, does the context really matter?

Yes you do and yes it does.

Lumi · Sep 21, 2010

Or does the person delivering the messege matter more?

Trench · Sep 21, 2010

illuminati said:
Or does the person delivering the messege matter more?

If you're trying to make the case that context doesn't matter, maybe you ARE a Tea Bagger... :142smilie

DOGS THAT BARK · Sep 22, 2010

Same ole same

Undisputable facts--counter by the race baiters excuses--resulting in the continuation of the undisputable facts--

once again--

Einstein once said, "The
definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."

"Yes we can--change you can believe in!"

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Will repost Sowells article here since it is approriate

Poverty-The problem within
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The Politics of Resentment

By Thomas Sowell

Few things have captured in microcosm what has gone so painfully wrong, where racial issues are concerned, like the recent election for mayor of Washington, D.C.
Mayor Adrian Fenty, under whom the murder rate has gone down and the school children's test scores have gone up, was resoundingly defeated for re-election.

Nor was Mayor Fenty simply a passive beneficiary of the rising test scores and falling murder rates. He appointed Michelle Rhee as head of the school system and backed her as she fought the teachers' union and fired large numbers of ineffective teachers-- something considered impossible in most cities across the country.
Mayor Fenty also appointed the city's chief of police, Cathy Lanier, who has cracked down on hoodlumism, as well as crime.
Either one of these achievements would made mayors local heroes in most other cities. Why then was he clobbered in the election?

One key fact tells much of the story: Mayor Fenty received more than 70 percent of the white vote in Washington. His opponent received more than 80 percent of the black vote.
Both men are black.

But the head of the school system that he appointed is Asian and the chief of police is a white woman. More than that, most of the teachers who were fired were black. There were also bitter complaints that black contractors did not get as many of the contracts for doing business with the city as they expected.
In short, the mayor appointed the best people he could find, instead of running a racial patronage system, as a black mayor of a city with a black majority is apparently expected to. He also didn't spend as much time schmoozing with the folks as was expected.
So what if he gave their children a better education and gave everybody a lower likelihood of being murdered?
The mayor's faults were political faults. He did his job, produced results and thought that this should be enough to get him re-elected. He refused to do polls and focus groups, and he ignored what his political advisers were warning him about.
No doubt Mayor Fenty is now a sadder and wiser man politically. While that may help him if he wants to pursue a political career, Adrian Fenty's career is not nearly as important as what his story tells us about the racial atmosphere in this country.
How did we reach the point where a city is so polarized that an overwhelming majority of the white vote goes to one candidate and the overwhelming majority of the black vote goes to the opposing candidate?
How did we reach the point where black voters put racial patronage and racial symbolism above the education of their children and the safety of everyone?
There are many reasons but the trend is ominous. One key factor was the creation, back in the 1960s, of a whole government-supported industry of race hustling.
President Lyndon Johnson's "war on poverty"-- a war that we have lost, by the way-- bankrolled all kinds of local "leaders" and organizations with the taxpayers' money, in the name of community "participation" in shaping the policies of government.
These "leaders" and community activists have had every reason to hype racial resentments and to make issues "us" against "them."
One of the largely untold stories of our time has been the story of how ACORN, Jesse Jackson and other community activists have been able to transfer billions of dollars from banks to their own organizations' causes, with the aid of the federal government, exemplified by the Community Reinvestment Act and its sequels.
Racial anger and racial resentments are the fuel that keeps this lucrative racket going. How surprised should anyone be that community activist groups have used mau-mau disruptions in banks and harassed both business and government officials in their homes?
Lyndon Johnson once said that it is not hard to do the right thing. What is hard is knowing what is right. We can give him credit for good intentions, so long as we remember what road is paved with good intentions.

DOGS THAT BARK · Sep 22, 2010

one from the archives--knew this one could be brought back bout every other month --liberals only counter to decades of trends stats and facts--

http://www.madjacksports.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2703640#post2703640

The last refuge of a liberal

By Charles Krauthammer
Friday, August 27, 2010

Liberalism under siege is an ugly sight indeed. Just yesterday it was all hope and change and returning power to the people. But the people have proved so disappointing. Their recalcitrance has, in only 19 months, turned the predicted 40-year liberal ascendancy (James Carville) into a full retreat.

Ah, the people, the little people, the small-town people, the "bitter" people, as Barack Obama in an unguarded moment once memorably called them, clinging "to guns or religion or" -- this part is less remembered -- "antipathy toward people who aren't like them."
That's a polite way of saying: clinging to bigotry. And promiscuous charges of bigotry are precisely how our current rulers and their vast media auxiliary react to an obstreperous citizenry that insists on incorrect thinking.
-- Resistance to the vast expansion of government power, intrusiveness and debt, as represented by the Tea Party movement? Why, racist resentment toward a black president.
-- Disgust and alarm with the federal government's unwillingness to curb illegal immigration, as crystallized in the Arizona law? Nativism.
-- Opposition to the most radical redefinition of marriage in human history, as expressed in Proposition 8 in California? Homophobia.
-- Opposition to a 15-story Islamic center and mosque near Ground Zero? Islamophobia.
Now we know why the country has become "ungovernable," last year's excuse for the Democrats' failure of governance:

Who can possibly govern a nation of racist, nativist, homophobic Islamophobes?

Note what connects these issues. In every one, liberals have lost the argument in the court of public opinion. Majorities -- often lopsided majorities -- oppose President Obama's social-democratic agenda (e.g., the stimulus, Obamacare), support the Arizona law, oppose gay marriage and reject a mosque near Ground Zero.

What's a liberal to do?

Pull out the bigotry charge, the trump that preempts debate and gives no credit to the seriousness and substance of the contrary argument. The most venerable of these trumps is, of course, the race card. When the Tea Party arose, a spontaneous, leaderless and perfectly natural (and traditionally American) reaction to the vast expansion of government intrinsic to the president's proudly proclaimed transformational agenda, the liberal commentariat cast it as a mob of angry white yahoos disguising their antipathy to a black president by cleverly speaking in economic terms.
Then came Arizona and S.B. 1070. It seems impossible for the left to believe that people of good will could hold that: (a) illegal immigration should be illegal, (b) the federal government should not hold border enforcement hostage to comprehensive reform, i.e., amnesty, (c) every country has the right to determine the composition of its immigrant population.

As for Proposition 8, is it so hard to see why people might believe that a single judge overturning the will of 7 million voters is an affront to democracy?

And that seeing merit in retaining the structure of the most ancient and fundamental of all social institutions is something other than an alleged hatred of gays -- particularly since the opposite-gender requirement has characterized virtually every society in all the millennia until just a few years ago?
And now the mosque near Ground Zero. The intelligentsia is near unanimous that the only possible grounds for opposition is bigotry toward Muslims. This smug attribution of bigotry to two-thirds of the population hinges on the insistence on a complete lack of connection between Islam and radical Islam, a proposition that dovetails perfectly with the Obama administration's pretense that we are at war with nothing more than "violent extremists" of inscrutable motive and indiscernible belief. Those who reject this as both ridiculous and politically correct (an admitted redundancy) are declared Islamophobes, the ad hominem du jour.
It is a measure of the corruption of liberal thought and the collapse of its self-confidence that, finding itself so widely repudiated, it resorts reflexively to the cheapest race-baiting (in a colorful variety of forms). Indeed, how can one reason with a nation of pitchfork-wielding mobs brimming with "antipathy toward people who aren't like them" -- blacks, Hispanics, gays and Muslims -- a nation that is, as Michelle Obama once put it succinctly, "just downright mean"?

The Democrats are going to get beaten badly in November. Not just because the economy is ailing. And not just because Obama over-read his mandate in governing too far left. But because a comeuppance is due the arrogant elites whose undisguised contempt for the great unwashed prevents them from conceding a modicum of serious thought to those who dare oppose them.

Lumi · Sep 22, 2010

Trench Fickler said:
If you're trying to make the case that context doesn't matter, maybe you ARE a Tea Bagger... :142smilie

From the Ron Paul movement,

you know better than that ? :shrug:

For you to call me that would be like
me calling you a Marxist, are you?

Trench · Sep 22, 2010

Trench Fickler said:
Only DTB would use 2006 Census Data to show how Obama's economic policies are failing... :mj07:

I'm still laughing that DTB used 2006 data!

Now that's projecting, dude... :mj07:

DOGS THAT BARK · Sep 23, 2010

Let me help you out--again

How often do you think the Census Bureau retrieves new data--do you think they have 2010 tabulated.

--and more to the point even if the cities change in 2010 you can be darn certain their elected officials will be Dems--Sheez Trench it's that your base--as Einstein said --doing same thing over and over and expecting diff results.
Before welfare we had fewer in poverty and much lower % of illegitamcy.You have made welfare a way of life--the more illegitimate children you can produce--the higher your pay grade.

--and while on quotes --I like thought this one from Ben Stein on liberal logic was a good one--

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