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--any O backers got any rebuttals



Our president isn't quite as advertised.

By KARL ROVE

Barack Obama inherited a set of national-security policies that he rejected during the campaign but now embraces as president. This is a stunning and welcome about-face.
For example, President Obama kept George W. Bush's military tribunals for terror detainees after calling them an "enormous failure" and a "legal black hole." His campaign claimed last summer that "court systems . . . are capable of convicting terrorists." Upon entering office, he found out they aren't.
He insisted in an interview with NBC in 2007 that Congress mandate "consequences" for "a failure to meet various benchmarks and milestones" on aid to Iraq. Earlier this month he fought off legislatively mandated benchmarks in the $97 billion funding bill for Iraq and Afghanistan.
Mr. Obama agreed on April 23 to American Civil Liberties Union demands to release investigative photos of detainee abuse. Now's he reversed himself. Pentagon officials apparently convinced him that releasing the photos would increase the risk to U.S. troops and civilian personnel.
Throughout his presidential campaign, Mr. Obama excoriated Mr. Bush's counterinsurgency strategy in Iraq, insisting it could not succeed. Earlier this year, facing increasing violence in Afghanistan, Mr. Obama rejected warnings of a "quagmire" and ordered more troops to that country. He isn't calling it a "surge" but that's what it is. He is applying in Afghanistan the counterinsurgency strategy Mr. Bush used in Iraq.
As a candidate, Mr. Obama promised to end the Iraq war by withdrawing all troops by March 2009. As president, he set a slower pace of drawdown. He has also said he will leave as many as 50,000 Americans troops there.
These reversals are both praiseworthy and evidence that, when it comes to national security, being briefed on terror threats as president is a lot different than placating MoveOn.org and Code Pink activists as a candidate. The realities of governing trump the realities of campaigning.
We are also seeing Mr. Obama reverse himself on the domestic front, but this time in a manner that will do more harm than good.
Mr. Obama campaigned on "responsible fiscal policies," arguing in a speech on the Senate floor in 2006 that the "rising debt is a hidden domestic enemy." In his acceptance speech at the Democratic National Convention, he pledged to "go through the federal budget line by line, eliminating programs that no longer work." Even now, he says he'll "cut the deficit . . . by half by the end of his first term in office" and is "rooting out waste and abuse" in the budget.
However, Mr. Obama's fiscally conservative words are betrayed by his liberal actions. He offers an orgy of spending and a bacchanal of debt. His budget plans a 25% increase in the federal government's share of the GDP, a doubling of the national debt in five years, and a near tripling of it in 10 years.
On health care, Mr. Obama's election ads decried "government-run health care" as "extreme," saying it would lead to "higher costs." Now he is promoting a plan that would result in a de facto government-run health-care system. Even the Washington Post questions it, saying, "It is difficult to imagine . . . benefits from a government-run system."
Making adjustments in office is one thing. Constantly governing in direct opposition to what you said as a candidate is something else. Mr. Obama's flip-flops on national security have been wise; on the domestic front, they have been harmful.
In both cases, though, we have learned something about Mr. Obama. What animated him during the campaign is what historian Forrest McDonald once called "the projection of appealing images." All politicians want to project an appealing image. What Mr. McDonald warned against is focusing on this so much that an appealing image "becomes a self-sustaining end unto itself." Such an approach can work in a campaign, as Mr. Obama discovered. But it can also complicate life once elected, as he is finding out.
Mr. Obama's appealing campaign images turned out to have been fleeting. He ran hard to the left on national security to win the nomination, only to discover the campaign commitments he made were shallow and at odds with America's security interests.
Mr. Obama ran hard to the center on economic issues to win the general election. He has since discovered his campaign commitments were obstacles to ramming through the most ideologically liberal economic agenda since the Great Society.
Mr. Obama either had very little grasp of what governing would involve or, if he did, he used words meant to mislead the public. Neither option is particularly encouraging. America now has a president quite different from the person who advertised himself for the job last year. Over time, those things can catch up to a politician.
Mr. Rove is the former senior adviser and deputy chief of staff to President George W. Bush.
 

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Rove is spot on. 100% right on this... Only thing is, he hasn't been right about much the last 8 yrs.....Is there anyone that helped the destruction of basic American structures, than Rove ? Every casual observer of presidentinal politics knows that running for president is on thing, governing is another.. We could have received these brilliant takes from some 9th grader in poly sci 101.... Yea; You go Karl..... Cater to your base, the smart guys are all ears !`
 

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Moving forward, is there anyone out there more irrelevant than any adviser to the brain trust of bush/cheney ? If you were a Senior Adviser, doesn't that nullify you from anything where credibility is required ? Not to many people listening to Mr Rove these days.
 
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Rove is the Master Mind of the mess we find ourselves in today.

Then explain to forum why Gumby is the one doing all the flopping on every issue and Rove remains the same--

He found out all those liberal agenda's/rhetoric are fine in the land of oz--but after getting his 1st 100 days of experiece--is getting look at the real world.
:0corn
 

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Then explain to forum why Gumby is the one doing all the flopping on every issue and Rove remains the same--

He found out all those liberal agenda's/rhetoric are fine in the land of oz--but after getting his 1st 100 days of experiece--is getting look at the real world.
:0corn

He is stuck with the mess those criminals left him. It is not easy to clean up the mess. The mess was worse than they let on. What happened to your crooked boy who said he would not do any nation building? Did he flip flop on that? How about Rumsfeld loving Saddam during the reagan years. Did he flip flop on that. How about supporting the Taliban, did he flip flop on that? How about saying Iraq wouild be 5 months top and pay for itself. Did he flip flop on that?
 
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Then explain to forum why Gumby is the one doing all the flopping on every issue and Rove remains the same--

He found out all those liberal agenda's/rhetoric are fine in the land of oz--but after getting his 1st 100 days of experiece--is getting look at the real world.
:0corn

That's easy, Rove didn't run for President... Gumby gave lip service to his base while running and moved to the center governing.. The center is where elections are won... the center is reasonable.... pissing off the left wing kooks will go a long way in Obama's political success... Side Note : know one wants pelosi out, more than Obama..
 
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:) My oh my--the truth will set you free.

Apparently your one of few yet can't see the obvious--more and more are seeing Gumby's rhetoric was just that--Tony Robbins rhetoric from a no qualifications/experience wanna be.

How about this from CNN a few minutes ago==

CNN Poll: Favorable opinion of Dick Cheney on the rise.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.co...favorable-opinion-of-dick-cheney-on-the-rise/

--another 100 days of Gumby and GW will be back to 80% he was after 911 :)
 

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:) My oh my--the truth will set you free.

Apparently your one of few yet can't see the obvious--more and more are seeing Gumby's rhetoric was just that--Tony Robbins rhetoric from a no qualifications/experience wanna be.

How about this from CNN a few minutes ago==

CNN Poll: Favorable opinion of Dick Cheney on the rise.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.co...favorable-opinion-of-dick-cheney-on-the-rise/

--another 100 days of Gumby and GW will be back to 80% he was after 911 :)

you believe those #'s ? Do you still believe the fundamentals are strong ? 37% of 1000 of DA Base...:mj07: These people that have time to respond to a poll are probably out of work non tax payers, that don't vote.
 
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:) My oh my--the truth will set you free.

Apparently your one of few yet can't see the obvious--more and more are seeing Gumby's rhetoric was just that--Tony Robbins rhetoric from a no qualifications/experience wanna be.

How about this from CNN a few minutes ago==

CNN Poll: Favorable opinion of Dick Cheney on the rise.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.co...favorable-opinion-of-dick-cheney-on-the-rise/

--another 100 days of Gumby and GW will be back to 80% he was after 911 :)

I could be wrong, just don't think you are qualified to judge Obamas qualifications. Your political savvy seem to have taken a hit the last 24 months... You have to admit, anyone that would respond to a CNN Poll for the right, especially cheney, has to be a little confused. ..Where did they find these people ? The right wing kook base is hovering around 20 %.
 
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"Gumby's rhetoric was just that--Tony Robbins rhetoric from a no qualifications/experience wanna be."

I do find it humorous that a nobody insurance salesman from nowhere calls the Pesident of the United States of America a "gumby wannabe". It really is amusing.
 

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"Earlier this year, facing increasing violence in Afghanistan, Mr. Obama rejected warnings of a "quagmire" and ordered more troops to that country. He isn't calling it a "surge" but that's what it is. He is applying in Afghanistan the counterinsurgency strategy Mr. Bush used in Iraq."

This is the stupidest thing I have read in awhile. So, any increase in troops anywhere is a "Bush surge" strategy. Gotcha dipshit.

OBama ran on increasing our presence in Afganistan as that is where the Taliban is. This is what he said he was going to do all along. Remember? This was in response to the former president invading the wrong country for no good reason. Ring any bells?
 

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Then explain to forum why Gumby is the one doing all the flopping on every issue and Rove remains the same--

He found out all those liberal agenda's/rhetoric are fine in the land of oz--but after getting his 1st 100 days of experiece--is getting look at the real world.
:0corn

Rove and his team of criminals never change their minds about anything. Thats the fucking problem. At least have the sack to admit a mistake and do something to fix it.

Instead of recognizing a mistake they just piled on and made it worse.

Cheney and Rove are just doing this shit to keep them out of prison were they should be.

And Bush flopped all the time too, except his lies caused thousands upon thousands of deaths under his watch.

Whatever happened to him dismissing whomever would out a covert agent?

I do not agree with everything Obama has done so far but to continue with this nonsense that Bush did a good job is delusional.
 

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:) My oh my--the truth will set you free.

Apparently your one of few yet can't see the obvious--more and more are seeing Gumby's rhetoric was just that--Tony Robbins rhetoric from a no qualifications/experience wanna be.

How about this from CNN a few minutes ago==

CNN Poll: Favorable opinion of Dick Cheney on the rise.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.co...favorable-opinion-of-dick-cheney-on-the-rise/

--another 100 days of Gumby and GW will be back to 80% he was after 911 :)

Do you really believe that?

On facebook the 'Shut your mouth Dick Cheney' group got 20,000 fans in 24 hours.

Simply amazing.
 

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First these crooks almost destroy the country. Start a useless war in Iraq, Misplay Afghanastan and Pakistan, plundge the country into the worst financial crisis in decades and instead of hiding or swinging from a tree they have they have the nerve to speak about what's wrong with America!!!!! What's wrong with America is that people did what they wanted for 8 long years.
 

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First these crooks almost destroy the country. Start a useless war in Iraq, Misplay Afghanastan and Pakistan, plundge the country into the worst financial crisis in decades and instead of hiding or swinging from a tree they have they have the nerve to speak about what's wrong with America!!!!! What's wrong with America is that people did what they wanted for 8 long years.

I bet you watch Olberman and Maddow twice a night. JMO.

:rolleyes:
 

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"Gumby's rhetoric was just that--Tony Robbins rhetoric from a no qualifications/experience wanna be."

I do find it humorous that a nobody insurance salesman from nowhere calls the Pesident of the United States of America a "gumby wannabe". It really is amusing.

Didn't call him him a wanna be--believe I called him Gumby--

--and you had your chance to put up or shut on your fiances and kurby like a cockroach and chose shut up--would you like to try again--or is it you'll pass again--hmm FLA real estate values halved but your loans aren't--and you can't borrow cup of sugar--little wonder your a bit testy--

Cheer up--gumby said he had hope for the hopeless--and just passed mortgage relief and working currently on your credit cards so you should be :00hour
 
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