Terrorist Bush is not after

DOGS THAT BARK

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easy way to end this discussion--want to compare list of terrorist captured and killed in last admin and this one?--once again didn't think so--


However am willing to keep open mind if you and your crew can come up examples of how your party is tough on terror--you might want to omit Obama's idea of doubling foreign aid though :)

While your pondering that---

Let me put up list of small list of how your party has has help the terrorist in their war on the U.S. and see how your list compares--;)



--Weaken electronic survailence
--provide terrorists attorneys
--reduce interrogation to name and Jihad #
--make sure captured terrorist are not humiliated
--if we go to war to remove dictator--send your ex attorney general to defend him.
--don't profile Muslims on transit systems
--ect ect
 

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I guess I could answer this post from Wayne, but I have in many other threads here, and never see anything come back other than a media bash link. One clear point to make is that there was no terrorism war until they attacked our country, under the Bush administration. Nor were they so motivated or organized. I would hope after all this time and money that we would have captured a lot of them. The war on terror really has not been a source of problem for me or many other democrat supporters. The war in Iraq has, of course.

And in your list, please provide a source showing the democratic party sponsored or sent the ex-attorney general to defend Hussein.
 

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Suppose I can "end" this discussion by addressing your points, since you are in quite a dismissive/avoiding/ phase these days, and this is easily done in lieu of actually discussing issues.

Let me put up list of small list of how your party has has help the terrorist in their war on the U.S. and see how your list compares--

--Weaken electronic survailence
I guess you mean being against breaking the law? Yeah, most were against that - kudos to them.

--provide terrorists attorneys
Please provide examples of how the democratic party provided attorneys for terrorists? Or was it the legal system, and following the laws of this country?

--reduce interrogation to name and Jihad #
Even you know this is not true, just posted in a bash/rant for histrionic value.

--make sure captured terrorist are not humiliated
If you mean follow Geneva Convention laws and not operate outside the laws civilized countries abide by, then you are correct. I'm sure many democrats, including myself, would agree some form of humiliation might work - some would not be appropriate for those supposedly defending freedom and civilization.

--if we go to war to remove dictator--send your ex attorney general to defend him.
Asked above, will wait for response. Although I thought we went to war to protect our country from weapons of mass destruction, not nation-change, but that one changes every day.

--don't profile Muslims on transit systems
Did the democratic party vote on this somewhere? Was there a bill? Or was this a legal case? Yawn.

--ect ect
Exactly...

You're right, Wayne. It is easy to end a discussion here. Next topic?
 

gardenweasel

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Suppose I can "end" this discussion by addressing your points, since you are in quite a dismissive/avoiding/ phase these days, and this is easily done in lieu of actually discussing issues.

Let me put up list of small list of how your party has has help the terrorist in their war on the U.S. and see how your list compares--

--Weaken electronic survailence
I guess you mean being against breaking the law? Yeah, most were against that - kudos to them.

--provide terrorists attorneys
Please provide examples of how the democratic party provided attorneys for terrorists? Or was it the legal system, and following the laws of this country?

--reduce interrogation to name and Jihad #
Even you know this is not true, just posted in a bash/rant for histrionic value.

--make sure captured terrorist are not humiliated
If you mean follow Geneva Convention laws and not operate outside the laws civilized countries abide by, then you are correct. I'm sure many democrats, including myself, would agree some form of humiliation might work - some would not be appropriate for those supposedly defending freedom and civilization.

--if we go to war to remove dictator--send your ex attorney general to defend him.
Asked above, will wait for response. Although I thought we went to war to protect our country from weapons of mass destruction, not nation-change, but that one changes every day.

--don't profile Muslims on transit systems
Did the democratic party vote on this somewhere? Was there a bill? Or was this a legal case? Yawn.

--ect ect
Exactly...

You're right, Wayne. It is easy to end a discussion here. Next topic?

defeatist dems just lost again as the redeployment bill goes down 29 to 67......IT'S A QUAGMIRE !.....
THE NEOCONS ATTACK FROM EVERY SIDE !....
REDEPLOY THE SENATE TO OKINAWA !...

lol

and congress has a lower approval rating than "the terrorist"?...

my oh my....:SIB
 

Chadman

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I guess you get tired of having your points picked apart one by one by someone with a pulse (in other threads), so you again play the "wacko" card with a nonsensical post that only means something to you, while trying to make the others around you seem like wackos.

And they call the left looney? Where's my Reynolds Wrap? Time to protect my brain from the ridiculous righties again...
 

gardenweasel

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the list of turncoat democrats that voted with rethuglicans....

Baucus (D-MT)
Bayh (D-IN)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Carper (D-DE)
Casey (D-PA)
Conrad (D-ND)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Levin (D-MI)
Lincoln (D-AR)
McCaskill (D-MO)
Nelson (D-FL)
Nelson (D-NE)
Pryor (D-AR)
Reed (D-RI)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Salazar (D-CO)
Tester (D-MT)
Webb (D-VA)

my boy,the pistol packer with the sunroof,jim webb....and levin?......

well, spank me with a wet noodle...

no mandate,gents...sorry....still,the message is loud and clear,....."we surrender!".......
 

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Yeah, so I guess if it's "We surrender" based on this decision to fund the troops, then Bush is speaking loud and clear by vetoing funding for the troops that he doesn't care about taking care of.

I'm cool playing this game.
 

gardenweasel

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Yeah, so I guess if it's "We surrender" based on this decision to fund the troops, then Bush is speaking loud and clear by vetoing funding for the troops that he doesn't care about taking care of.

"I'm cool playing this game."

chaddy whistling past the graveyard?......:scared

of course he cares about the troops...AND THE MISSION!....

thankfully,there were few chad`s around back in the day or our forefathers would have read this headline:

WASHINGTON - "the senate on wednesday passed legislation that would cut off money for combat operations in germany and in the pacific after june 1st,1944.......lol

what has happened to to the american genepool?...

the dems should stick with non-binding resolutions...they`re pretty good at that(as worthless as tits on a boar)......


i feel your pain chad....i can picture your bunky`s in congress saying,"how are we supposed to lose in iraq when we keep losing here?"....

:grins:

keep a stiff upper lip,my man...they`re very persistent when it comes to surrender.....



btw....sandy burgler just agreed to disbarment for lifting documents from the national archives.....so he wouldn`t have to testify further...

hmmmmm....

culture of obfuscation?....;)
 

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culture of obfuscation?....;)

You would think so, given how many dimwits STILL make Iraq/WW11 comparisons, when there are absolutely none to be made.

I've asked many times over the years, and have always been ignored by you, but how about we examine the 8 year Soviet occupation of Afghanistan? Then we can talk about Iraq. Any interest?

I understand.
 

Chadman

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I can address your rambling dis-sertation further by simply saying I'm pretty sure I would have been for battling the Germans back in the day, considering they were pretty clearly hell-bent on world domination at the time.

Kind of a small difference in your world, I know...a country who tries to attack the entire world and take it over, and a country who sits in one place and gets attacked.

And Kosar points out for the bazzillionth time the fallacy of your premise, probably to crickets yet again.

Ah, the battles we wage around here. Scintillating.

Still nice to see you trumpeting the "Dems losing here" when the President vetoes the funding of our troops. Whatever, dude.
 

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the list of turncoat democrats that voted with rethuglicans....

Baucus (D-MT)
Bayh (D-IN)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Carper (D-DE)
Casey (D-PA)
Conrad (D-ND)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Levin (D-MI)
Lincoln (D-AR)
McCaskill (D-MO)
Nelson (D-FL)
Nelson (D-NE)
Pryor (D-AR)
Reed (D-RI)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Salazar (D-CO)
Tester (D-MT)
Webb (D-VA)

i notice that none of the presidential hopefuls are on this list.....i wonder if it's a coincidence...lol
 

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The occupation of Iraq has and will continue to severely cripple America, both in treasure and blood, bogging it down in a grueling guerilla war of attrition for years to come. Already the war and occupation has lasted longer than America?s involvement in World War II. Already it has cost, in only four years, over one trillion dollars. Already, America?s military is overstretched, overstressed, overburdened and overworked. So far, close to 3,500 troops have died, with up to 30,000 maimed and injured; tens of thousands of personnel have been forced to serve more than two tours of duty. The psychological costs to thousands of soldiers will never be quantified, as will the societal damage done by people returning home with different minds, different lives and altered circumstances.

Yet in spite of the apparent defeat, the apparent debacle taking place in Iraq, the American leviathan, that corporatist element within the parameters of the state, that elitist cabal embedded in predatory capitalist markets, will not allow itself or the nation to be extricated from Iraq, for the price of such a calamity would be disastrous. For the Iraq War was first and foremost a war for control of oil, that most important of natural resources, that devil?s excrement needed to run the engine called modern human civilization.
 

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"One clear point to make is that there was no terrorism war until they attacked our country, under the Bush administration."

Attack under Clinton admin don't count ??

Can argue local--as same building--can argue body count I quess.:shrug:

on no pres hopefuls on list--they don't dare not dance to tune of Soros/Moveon machine--

You have Dems and you have liberal element--and if you think Soros and crew won't be pulling the strings if their elected--think again--
 

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The occupation of Iraq has and will continue to severely cripple America, both in treasure and blood, bogging it down in a grueling guerilla war of attrition for years to come. Already the war and occupation has lasted longer than America’s involvement in World War II. Already it has cost, in only four years, over one trillion dollars. Already, America’s military is overstretched, overstressed, overburdened and overworked. So far, close to 3,500 troops have died, with up to 30,000 maimed and injured; tens of thousands of personnel have been forced to serve more than two tours of duty. The psychological costs to thousands of soldiers will never be quantified, as will the societal damage done by people returning home with different minds, different lives and altered circumstances.

Yet in spite of the apparent defeat, the apparent debacle taking place in Iraq, the American leviathan, that corporatist element within the parameters of the state, that elitist cabal embedded in predatory capitalist markets, will not allow itself or the nation to be extricated from Iraq, for the price of such a calamity would be disastrous. For the Iraq War was first and foremost a war for control of oil, that most important of natural resources, that devil’s excrement needed to run the engine called modern human civilization.

you write very well for a lackwit....
 
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