the aclu vs. america

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i used to be a believer in the aclu.....but that opinion has changed over the last few years. i now think that they are a major problem & are now a threat to our national security.

The ACLU vs. America
Michelle Malkin


March 30, 2005


On April Fools' Day, the American Civil Liberties Union will show us what a joke its commitment to American civil liberties really is.

April 1st, in case you haven't heard, is the launch of the Minuteman Project, an all-volunteer effort by law-abiding American citizens to call attention to the nation's wide open southern border. Hundreds of Americans from New York to Michigan to California will travel down to the U.S.-Mexico border for a month to monitor illegal aliens and alert immigration enforcement officials if they witness law-breaking.


Call it the mother of all neighborhood watch programs.

In doing so, the Minutemen will be exercising their constitutionally protected freedom of speech, freedom of assembly and freedom to petition the government for a redress of grievances. Those would be fundamental civil liberties found in something called the, uh, First Amendment, of which the ACLU is supposed to be the foremost expert and champion. Or so the group and its celebrity supporters say. In sanctimonious new fund-raising ad campaigns, the organization features the likes of liberal actress Holly Hunter, who asks:

"Do you want to be heard without fear? I am not an American who believes that questioning or criticizing my government is unpatriotic."

Uh-huh. "Dissent is patriotic," the Left likes to preach. Except, apparently, if the questioning and criticizing deals with the government's abject failure to enforce immigration laws. Minuteman Project founder Jim Gilchrist has been harassed by open-borders activists at his home. The group is reportedly being targeted by savage illegal alien gangsters from Mara Salvatrucha (a.k.a. MS-13). Mexican government officials are lobbying American law enforcement officials to suppress the Minutemen's rights to speak and assemble.

But instead of coming to the defense of the Minutemen who are challenging our government, the ACLU has warned the 1,000 volunteers that it will send monitors to document the Americans' activities. Moreover, the ACLU has already threatened lawsuits against the American dissenters for exercising their rights.

This bullying of pro-immigration enforcement activists comes as no surprise to those of us who have followed the ACLU's aggressive open-borders agenda -- from its support for driver's licenses for illegal aliens, to its opposition to detaining illegal alien terror suspects after 9/11 and profiling foreign visitors from terror-friendly countries, to its efforts to stop local and state law enforcement officers from helping federal homeland security efforts.

ACLU of Arizona spokesman Ray Ybarra argues that the mere presence of the Minutemen at the border constitutes "unlawful imprisonment" of illegal (excuse me, "undocumented") aliens (excuse me, "migrants"). Ybarra told the Washington Times that the ACLU will have lawyers on standby ready to file civil cases against the volunteers. He warned that the Minutemen could "come to our state as 'vigilantes' and end up leaving as 'defendants.'"

The Minutemen have made it clear on their website and in repeated statements that they "will not violate anyone's civil rights, and will not abuse anyone from any country. . . . We will alert border patrol to the location of illegals, and wait for [the Border Patrol] to come and pick them up. We will follow illegal aliens from a distance and continue spotting them until authorities answer our cell phone and/or back-pack radio calls. All spotting, calls for assistance, and the response from the appropriate authorities will be chronicled and provided to any media representative."

Contrary to the ACLU and mainstream media representations of the group as racists and immigrant-bashers, the Minutemen are a diverse volunteer group that includes Americans of Mexican, Armenian, Russian, Lebanese, Indian and Cuban descent; and black and Native American minorities. Also among the volunteers are 19 legal immigrants from Mexico, Peru, Russia, New Zealand, England, Australia and the Philippines.
 

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not to mentionis trying to paralyze the federal government by suing over any and all anti-terror strategies. the ACLU is putting us all in danger by its fanatical opposition to fighting the war on terror.......

a caricature of what the original organization was intended to represent...

they are now,and i hate to say it,the right arm of the extreme left wing...they are political activists...

that said,you can`t just throw this border mess on the aclu....bush is just as much to blame as any politician in recent memory...

here`s the quandry....these poltcians aren`t getting elected without the hispanic vote....and if you really put some teeth into theprotection of the borders,you are doomed....

now that bush is a lame duck,it would be nice to see him show some stones...

but,it won`t happen...

those folks down there aren`t radical supremicists....

they are very brave citizens trying to do what the government should be doing....

but doesn`t have the columes to do...
 

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its the mess we are in after years and years of letting these people in now they have political power

and if anyone stands up to it they will be killed by the mainstream media and hispanic vote

GWB is failing us all

the minutemen are the only true patriots

our cities are trashed, crime has risen as south american gangs cross freely

The last line of defense is the militia.

Unfortunately that is our only hope right now.

and the treacherous ACLU is once again stepping in our way
 

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gardenweasel said:
a caricature of what the original organization was intended to represent...
Yeah, I'm afraid I feel the same way about this.

Thank you Freeze, for acknowledging Dubya's stance against the Minutemen as well. Looks like his wreckless rhetoric finally hit some of his base support.

Jesse jopining Fundamentalist protestors over Shiavo, Bush and the ACLU in the same unpopular light over the Minutemen. What's going on?
 

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More Danger From the ACLU

Thursday, March 31, 2005

By Bill O'Reilly



More danger from the ACLU: that is the subject of this evening's "Talking Points Memo."

As you may know, the American Civil Liberties Union (search) wants Terri Schiavo (search) to die saying it believes she did not want to live with a feeding tube and if you don't believe that, you are violating Terri's privacy rights. Once again, the ACLU comes down on the progressive side of an issue as it does 100 percent of the time these days.

On Monday, the ACLU won a big victory when the Supreme Court allowed the liberal Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals (search) to throw out an Idaho law requiring parental consent for under age abortion. That of course undermines American parents which is exactly what the ACLU wants.

Want more? OK...

? The ACLU believes any and all abortions should be legal.

? It believes American borders should be open. And it may sue a citizen's group called the Minutemen which will begin patrolling the southern border on Friday.

? The ACLU believes child pornography should be available on the Net. And it is also representing NAMBLA in a civil lawsuit in Massachusetts saying the North American Man-Boy Love Association has a right to print instructions on how to rape children.

? The ACLU believes pornographic outlets should be located wherever they want ? in your neighborhood, next to a church, next to a school, no restrictions.

? It believes the military can't stop open displays of homosexuality within its ranks.

? It believes gay marriage and polygamy should be legalized.

? It is suing Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld (search) over torture allegations.

? And just today the ACLU criticized General Ricardo Sanchez (search) for the rough interrogation of some captured terrorists.

Are you getting all of this? Getting the picture?

It's quite apparent the American Civil Liberties Union wants a brand new America, where the gratification of the individual is paramount. In order to achieve that, the ACLU opposes all displays of religion on public property. It champions the secular and attacks judgment-based faith.

Finally, it is worth repeating a famous quote by the man who founded the ACLU, Roger Baldwin (search). This quote can be found in Baldwin's biography written by Peggy Lampson (search). Quote, "I am for socialism, disarmament and ultimately for abolishing the state itself as an instrument of violence and compulsion. I seek social ownership of property and the abolition of the propertied class."

I hope everybody understands just how dangerous this well-funded ACLU is to your freedom. These people say they're looking out for Terri Schiavo. They say they are looking out for you. Don't believe it.

And that's "The Memo."
 

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? It believes gay marriage and polygamy should be legalized.

I'd like to see a citing of the polygamy part. Very skeptical they actually want that legalized.

...in fact O'Reilly's filtering of everything leaves me skeptical. I'm no fan of the ACLU these days, but even less one of that clown.
 
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Why is O'Reilly a clown, b/c he is correct!


Next on ACLU agenda: Polygamy
Posted: January 22, 2005
1:00 a.m. Eastern

By David N. Bass
? 2005 WorldNetDaily.com
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=42501

Students at Yale University got an earful Tuesday when ACLU President Nadine Strossen outlined her agenda for the coming year at a school-sponsored master's tea. While harping on her organization's mission "to defend all fundamental rights of all people" (unless, of course, you happen to be both evangelical and heterosexual), Strossen indicated that, among other goals, a push for legalized polygamy may be on the horizon.

In answer to a student's question about homosexual and polygamous marriage, Strossen told the group of students that the ACLU has "defended the right for individuals to engage in polygamy" and that her organization will continue defending "the freedom of choice for mature, consenting adults," according to YaleDailyNews.com.

2) ACLU Head Spills The Beans On Polygamy
Rick Santorum was blasted when he said that the Texas Sodomy and Massachusetts Gay Marriage ruling opened the door for polygamy. He was accused of being absurd.

Someone didn't memo the ACLU about that issue.



In response to a student's question about gay marriage, bigamy and polygamy in certain communities, Strossen said the ACLU is actively fighting to defend freedom of choice in marriage and partnerships.

"We have defended the right for individuals to engage in polygamy," Strossen said. "We defend the freedom of choice for mature, consenting individuals."
 

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ACLU couldn't be any stupider than to do this. I'm amazed they would imply this. Does a huge disservice to the idea of gay marriage by essentially lumping them together. They really are out of touch with America, and making a mockery of any legitimate civil movements (there really are so few of them left I think).

I must again apologize to O'Reilly. I'll lay off him unless I do research fiirst.
 

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The Minutemen are a privatization of a gov't service that in many people's minds is not performing up to snuff....

It is not an extension of their first amendment rights per se, to go and defend the border - armed and dangerous.

If one of them goes off half-cocked and shoots someone who is attempting to enter the country illegally, they will be brought up on charges of murder. You see the border is not their private little shooting range.

Why don't they ask their Republican congressmen and senators to do something about this porous border? What? ...and kill the cheap labor that props up the economy? Sorry, all you will get is lip service. It's about the money stupid... always has been and always will be.

It is another case of rank and file Republicans who vote against their interests.... they think their representatives are going to be tough on crime and terror and will protect our borders, but an airtight border would impact their ability to generate profits - and therin lies the rub.... cash is king.....

So you get a bunch of cowboys masquerading as patriots because the government won't perform the service they are entrusted to perform... because it serves the corporate structure to have a porous border.

But watch out for gay marriage.... it will bring our country to its knees.... (no pun intended)

Evolution will send us all to hell.

Half of this country is too paranoid to go outside to see if there are two women married to the guy next door....

I know....

Lets a bunch of us get some guns... some uniforms... and start a little army (militia) - hell we're patriots (screw being a private border patrol) then we can commandeer a few ships, and impose a little foreign policy on some poor backwards island with no standing army....

Let's invade Antigua and get our money back!

Let's watch these trees for a while..... screw the forest that is burning around us....
 

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ivabign said:
Half of this country is too paranoid to go outside to see if there are two women married to the guy next door....
:mj07: :mj07:
 

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this border situation....and the lack of resolve by our government regarding same.....will last until we get hit hard again by some sort of terrorist attack.....

we tend to be reactionary...more so than proactive..we have short memories...as witnessed by the aclu and other liberal activist organization`s demonization of the patriot act....even without concrete proof or examples of it`s abridgement of u.s. citizen`s rights...

it`s all a political,ideological game of one- upsmanship...

until we lose another 2 or 3,000....or 10,000 people in one fell swoop...

it`s inevitable...
 

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I would say most don't agree with the ACLU. Until it helps there position. Then there OK.
 

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Would agree DJV
Gays :) / Boyscouts :(
Athiests :) / people of religion :(
the Grinch :) /Santa :(
Child molesters and child porn makers :) /the rest of us :(
Terrorists :) / our troops :(
 

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Was this guy a right wing religious wacko?

By the President of the United States of America

A PROCLAMATION

AS the safety and prosperity of nations ultimately and essentially depend on the protection and blessing of Almighty God; and the national acknowledgment of this truth is not only an indispensable duty which the people owe to Him,

but a duty whose natural influence is favorable to the promotion of that morality and piety, without which social happiness cannot exist, nor the blessings of a free government be enjoyed; and as this duty, at all times incumbent, is so especially in seasons of difficulty and of danger, when existing or threatening calamities, the just judgments of God against prevalent iniquity are a loud call to repentance and reformation; and as the United States of America are at present placed in a hazardous and afflictive situation, by the unfriendly disposition, conduct and demands of a foreign power, evinced by repeated refusals to receive our messengers of reconciliation and peace, by depredations on our commerce, and the infliction of injuries on very many of our fellow citizens, while engaged in their lawful business on the seas: ?Under these considerations it has appeared to me that the duty of imploring the mercy and benediction of Heaven on our country, demands at this time a special attention from its inhabitants.


I HAVE therefore thought it fit to recommend, that Wednesday, the 9th day of May next be observed throughout the United States, as a day of Solemn Humiliation, Fasting and Prayer; That the citizens of these states, abstaining on that day from their customary worldly occupations, offer their devout addresses to the Father of Mercies, agreeably to those forms or methods which they have severally adopted as the most suitable and becoming: That all religious congregations do, with the deepest humility, acknowledge before GOD the manifold sins and transgressions with which we are justly chargeable as individuals and as a nation; beseeching him, at the same time, of his infinite Grace, through the Redeemer of the world, freely to remit all our offences, and to incline us, by his holy spirit, to that sincere repentance and reformation which may afford us reason to hope for his inestimable favor and heavenly benediction; That it be made the subject of particular and earnest supplication, that our country may be protected from all the dangers which threaten it; that our civil and religious privileges may be preserved inviolate, and perpetuated to the latest generations; that our public councils and magistrates may be especially enlightened and directed at this critical period; that the American people may be united in those bonds of amity and mutual confidence, and inspired with that vigor and fortitude by which they have in times past been so highly distinguished, and by which they have obtained such invaluable advantages: That the health of the inhabitants of our land may be preserved, and their agriculture, commerce, fisheries, arts and manufactures be blessed and prospered: That the principles of genuine piety and sound morality may influence the minds and govern the lives of every description of our citizens; and that the blessings of peace, freedom, and pure religion, may be speedily extended to all the nations of the earth.

And finally I recommend, that on the said day; the duties of humiliation and prayer be accompanied by fervent Thanksgiving to the bestower of every good gift, not only for having hitherto protected and preserved the people of these United States in the independent enjoyment of their religious and civil freedom, but also for having prospered them in a wonderful progress of population, and for conferring on them many and great favours conducive to the happiness and prosperity of a nation.

Given under my hand and seal of the United States of America, at Philadelphia, this twenty-third day of March, in the year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and ninety-eight, and of the Independence of the said States the twenty-second.

JOHN ADAMS
 

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How about this guy? :scared :scared

John Hancock, Esq.

GOVERNOR of the COMMONWEALTH

of Massachusetts

A PROCLAMATION

For a Day of Public Thanksgiving.

IN consideration of the many undeserved Blessings conferred upon us by GOD, the Father of all Mercies; it becomes us not only in our private and usual devotion, to express our obligations to Him, as well as our dependence upon Him; but also specially to set a part a Day to be employed for this great and important Purpose:

I HAVE therefore thought fit to appoint, and by the advice and consent of the Council, do hereby accordingly appoint, THURSDAY, the seventeenth of November next, to be observed as a Day of Public THANKSGIVING and PRAISE, throughout this Commonwealth:?Hereby calling upon Ministers and People of every denomination, to assemble on the said Day?and in the name of the Great Mediator, devoutly and sincerely offer to Almighty GOD, the gratitude of our Hearts, for all his goodness towards us; more especially in that He has been pleased to continue to us so a great a measure of Health?to cause the Earth plentifully to yield her increase, so that we are supplied with the Necessaries, and the Comforts of Life?to prosper our Merchandise and Fishery?And above all, not only to continue to us the enjoyment of our civil Rights and Liberties; but the great and most important Blessing, the Gospel of Jesus Christ: And together with our cordial acknowledgments, I do earnestly recommend, that we may join the penitent confession of our Sins, and implore the further continuance of the Divine Protection, and Blessings of Heaven upon this People; especially that He would be graciously pleased to direct, and prosper the Administration of the Federal Government, and of this, and the other States in the Union?to afford Hid further Smiles on our Agriculture and Fisheries, Commerce and Manufactures?To prosper our University and all Seminaries of Learning?To bless the Allies of the United States, and to afford his Almighty Aid to all People, who are virtuously struggling for the Rights of Men?so that universal Happiness may be established in the World; that all may bow to the Scepter of our LORD JESUS CHRIST, and the whole Earth be filled with his Glory.

And I do also earnestly recommend to the good People of this Commonwealth, to abstain from all servile Labor and Recreation, inconsistent with the solemnity of the said day.

GIVEN at the Council-Chamber, in Boston, the fifth Day of October, in the year of our Lord, One Thousand seven Hundred and Ninety-One, and in the sixteenth Year of the Independence of the United States of America.

JOHN HANCOCK
 

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Here is another Christian we should all fear and the ACLU would probably kick out of the country and declare unconstitutional :scared :scared :scared



This is the text of George Washington's October 3, 1789 National Thanksgiving proclamation, issued while he was President (as printed in the Providence Gazette and Country Journal, October 17, 1789).


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By THE PRESIDENT

OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

A PROCLAMATION

Whereas it is the duty of all nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey His will, to be grateful for His benefits, and humbly to implore His protection and favor; and Whereas both Houses of Congress have, by their joint committee, requested me ?to recommend to the people of the United States a day of public thanksgiving and prayer, to be observed by acknowledging with grateful hearts the many and signal favors of Almighty God, especially by affording them an opportunity peaceably to establish a form of government for their safety and happiness:?

Now, therefore, I do recommend and assign Thursday, the 26th day of November next, to be devoted by the people of these States to the service of that great and glorious Being who is the beneficent author of all the good that was, that is, or that will be; that we may then all unite in rendering unto Him our sincere and humble thanks for His kind care and protection of the people of this country previous to their becoming a nation; ?for the signal and manifold mercies and the favorable interpositions of His providence in the course and conclusion of the late war; ?for the great degree of tranquillity, union, and plenty which we have since enjoyed; ?for the peaceable and rational manner in which we have been enabled to establish constitutions of government for our safety and happiness, and particularly the national one now lately instituted; ?for the civil and religious liberty with which we are blessed, and the means we have of acquiring and diffusing useful knowledge; ?and, in general, for all the great and various favors which He has been pleased to confer upon us.

And also that we may then unite in most humbly offering our prayers and supplications to the great Lord and Ruler of Nations, and beseech Him to pardon our national and other transgressions; ?to enable us all, whether in public or private stations, to perform our several and relative duties properly and punctually; ?to render our National Government a blessing to all the people by constantly being a Government of wise, just, and constitutional laws, discreetly and faithfully executed and obeyed; ?to protect and guide all sovereigns and nations (especially such as have shown kindness to us), and to bless them with good governments, peace, and concord; ?to promote the knowledge and practice of true religion and virtue, and the increase of science among them and us; ?and, generally, to grant unto all mankind such a degree of temporal prosperity as He alone knows to be best.

GIVEN under my Hand, at the city of New York, the third day of October, in the year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and eighty-nine.

G. WASHINGTON
 

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Ever heard of John Jay?

Another founding father?

The first Chief-Justice of the U. S. Supreme Court?

He was president of the American Bible Society

Think the democrates would try to fillibuster his nomination if Bush appointed him today?
 
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