What a surprise WHN Agreeing with TU:mj07: ,you can't make this stuff up:facepalm:
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What a surprise WHN Agreeing with TU:mj07: ,you can't make this stuff up:facepalm:
No, I'm actually very VERY far from being ridiculous with that analogy.
You said the US Military should protect it's borders and not occupy other countries.
When Pearl Harbor was bombed, Hawaii was not yet a State.
I.e, Hawaii was/is the exact place you are saying we should not have been worrying about.
So not only have you now made blanketed, unintellignet statements about members of the military being dumb kids, you have also displayed a tremedous lack of knowledge of American history, a country that you belong to, and are pontificating on where and how American belongs in this world and the roles it should take on.
I know, it's sexy and fun and being in that select minority makes you feel superior in your opinions - but you should really do some knowledge gathering on things and understand what you are talking about.
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You are simply playing semantics.
Besides everyone knows Hawaii still is not a US state. Just ask skul.
That is what certain segments of our population would want you to believe, because it supports their arguement about how horrible the military is. Here is the truth:
Based on an understanding of the limitations of any objective definition of quality, this report compares military volunteers to the civilian population on four demographic characteristics: household income, education level, racial and ethnic background, and regional origin. This report finds that:
U.S. military service disproportionately attracts enlisted personnel and officerswho do not come from disadvantaged backgrounds. Previous Heritage Foundation research demonstrated that the quality of enlisted troops has increased since the start of the Iraq war. This report demonstrates that the same is true of the officer corps.
Members of the all-volunteer military are significantly more likely to come from high-income neighborhoods than from low-income neighborhoods. Only 11 percent of enlisted recruits in 2007 came from the poorest one-fifth (quintile) of neighborhoods, while 25 percent came from the wealthiest quintile. These trends are even more pronounced in the Army Reserve Officer Training Corps (ROTC) program, in which 40 percent of enrollees come from the wealthiest neighborhoods-a number that has increased substantially over the past four years.
American soldiers are more educated than their peers. A little more than 1 percent of enlisted personnel lack a high school degree, compared to 21 percent of men 18-24 years old, and 95 percent of officer accessions have at least a bachelor's degree.
Contrary to conventional wisdom, minorities are not overrepresented in military service. Enlisted troops are somewhat more likely to be white or black than their non-military peers. Whites are proportionately represented in the officer corps, and blacks are overrepresented, but their rate of overrepresentation has declined each year from 2004 to 2007. New recruits are also disproportionately likely to come from the South, which is in line with the history of Southern military tradition.
http://www.heritage.org/research/re...-demographics-of-enlisted-troops-and-officers
TU says military is dumb
TU sasy that we should work on protecting just our borders
TU says that we were right to prevent Hawaii from being occupied by the Japanese and using it as a platform to get closer to America.
Yet hawaii was not part of our border.
And the military is the dumb ones.
That is an entirely different topic Betone.
This thread has bounced around too much
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We also had military bases there. If a military base of ours is attacked, we should defend it. The military base is just like a piece of US territory.
At least make an attempt to have an intellectual debate instead of playing games.
Originally Posted by Trampled Underfoot
We should have a military. But we should not be occupying other countries. We have over 700 military bases around the world. And those are just the ones they tell us about. We should be protecting our borders.
Which is it?
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No one can debate you when you can't take a stance on something. Maybe I'm too dumb to understand it though.
utter bullshit,gmro...you really need to check your facts...
http://www.heritage.org/research/re...teristics-of-us-military-enlistment-2003-2005
http://blogs.abcnews.com/theworldnewser/2006/11/education_and_t.html
i don`t understand people siding with this anti-american prick,t.u......
wtf is happening in this country?...a f-cking disgrace...
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If we have a base we should protect. My point is that we SHOULDNT have these bases all over the world. What is so difficult? You are not helping yourself.
Alright, so we should not have bases around the world. That appears to be your stance - and that is why I brought up Pearl Harbor.
Because it was a base that we had outside of the US, and the native population was against the US being there. In fact, many Hawaiians are still resentful towards the US today for occupying their island and turning them into a state.
(I'm sure that you'll chime in here and say "yea, I knew that and was just testing you..." so I saved you the hassle of typing that.)
SO, let's say that starting tomorrow the US pulls troops from around the globe and brings them all home and abandons bases that are not inside the US border.
How soon before Cuba becomes overrun by our enemies and used as a jumping off point to attack the US?
How soon before merchant vessels are overrun by pirates in open waters?
How soon before an anti american country rolls into the Middle East and dominates the landscape and decides to simply stop exporting oil to America and we watch our industrial market grind to a halt?
How soon before America is slowly surrounded by enemies patiently waiting for our resources to run out, because we do not move outside our borders to protect our interests?
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So if you want to play games, i'll play games. What about McCain? John McCain was born on a US base in Panama. Using your example he couldn't run for POTUS. Oh but he did! Why? Because the base was considered US territory.
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I'll risk it. We are already getting weaker everyday for spending the money we do on defense. When we need to intervene, we always can. Another benefit to leaving the middle east would be a reduction in terrorist activity.
As for the oil, when the oil runs out I have no doubt we will take what we want. At this point in time its doing us no good to have 750 bases all over the globe. The GOP won't even agree to tax increases and they want the war machine to continue? Someone has to pay at some point.
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If we reduce the size of the military, which would obviously need to be done - no reason to have that many troops inside the border with nothing to do...
when the time comes to intervene, we will not have anything to intervene with, and we will be at a tremendous disadvantage because we will be REACTING to the situation and then engaging with an enemy that will be already occupying the territory, which will then mean there will be greater damage to non-combatant areas as well as prolonging the engagement.
The large majority of the based that the military maintains outside of US Borders are there as a DETERRENT. They are there to prevent the "enemy" from occupying that same territory and surrounding territories.
Do you think South Korea wants us to leave anytime soon? Or do you think South Korea is kinda sorta glad we are there to prevent North Korea from walking over and knocking the shit out of them?
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1. This makes no sense.
2. This has no bearing on the discussion at hand.
3. You seem to be grasping at something, I'm not sure what, but I'll play along...
so let's say that the US didn't have a base in Panama for John McCain to be born at.
He would have been born in the US.
You've told me a few times now that the military should not have bases outside of US borders. why are you now trying to justify that overseas bases are US Territory? what point are you trying to make?
To further show the lack of thought in your spew... once we shrink back our forces to just inside the US border and remove our overseas presence...
the Middle East decides to shut off oil to the US.
You think we can just go over there and take it? All our forces will be in CONUS.
The "bad guys" will simply line up ships about 100 miles off the shores of the US and shoot down the planes full of troops that you think we can send over there to take the oil back.
we will have entrenched ourselves in North America and be essentially shut off from the rest of the world because our enemies will have control the the air and sea and barricaded us to our little playpen.
