the fix is on...series..
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So where can I find all these plays you had Spongy?
You took Cle 6 games in a row you say, prove it to me!
My mind is wide open Sir, but the problem with that is people want to come along and put stuff in it.
You took Cle 6 games in a row you say, prove it to me!
My mind is wide open Sir, but the problem with that is people want to come along and put stuff in it.
Agent the only way i can prove it to you is by giving you my password and you can take a look. With that short fuse of yours who knows what you would do with my account. I would have to catch you on one of your more gentler moments which are tougher to spot then trying to figure out who is stiffing on a particular night.
thnks for proving my point....you alone are telling people not to take you seriously with posts like the above....
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While I have never argued that fixes do not occur in NBA from time to time for a variety of reasons, I can not believe that it happens on a wide spread basis. No one will be able to convince me that mandates come down from the Commissioner?s office during halftime of a game that one team or another should lay down. How would that information be communicated to the coach and then to the team?
Does anyone really believe that these hoodlums that play the game are capable of keeping a conspiracy like this quiet? Even after these loudmouth clowns retire they are somehow bound to maintain this vow of silence? Please.
How was Artest kept quiet about this ?widespread? conspiracy while he cooled his heels two seasons back? Tell me that anyone believes that Rodman wouldn?t drop a dime on the whole operation, for no other reason than the publicity, if given the chance.
In a time when President Bush?s administration is unable to keep wiretaps a secret, how in the world can anyone believe that NBA players are capable of keeping an ongoing conspiracy, like the one some suggest exists, from the media?
The fact that not a single shred of evidence of a single fixed NBA game has come to light in years is sufficient reason for me to believe that these things do not occur with any regularity. Those who believe that a fix is in every time they are on the wrong side of a wager are delusional and can provide no basis for their beliefs but yet are quick to say that those who do not buy into the myth are naive.
Does anyone really believe that these hoodlums that play the game are capable of keeping a conspiracy like this quiet? Even after these loudmouth clowns retire they are somehow bound to maintain this vow of silence? Please.
How was Artest kept quiet about this ?widespread? conspiracy while he cooled his heels two seasons back? Tell me that anyone believes that Rodman wouldn?t drop a dime on the whole operation, for no other reason than the publicity, if given the chance.
In a time when President Bush?s administration is unable to keep wiretaps a secret, how in the world can anyone believe that NBA players are capable of keeping an ongoing conspiracy, like the one some suggest exists, from the media?
The fact that not a single shred of evidence of a single fixed NBA game has come to light in years is sufficient reason for me to believe that these things do not occur with any regularity. Those who believe that a fix is in every time they are on the wrong side of a wager are delusional and can provide no basis for their beliefs but yet are quick to say that those who do not buy into the myth are naive.
Give me a break. Did you even bother to read the rest of this story?
Cuban says he didn't yell at Stern after Game 5
By: David Dupree
USA Today
06/21/06
DALLAS -- Dallas Mavericks owner Mark Cuban has been fined $250,000 for several acts of misconduct following Game 5 of the NBA Finals, the league said Tuesday.
When time ran out in Game 5, Cuban ran onto the court to vent at official Joe DeRosa, then stared down and screamed toward Stern and a group of league officials, from the court, then the stands.
In his blog on Tuesday, the Dallas Mavericks owner responded to a column in the Miami Herald that described this post-Game 5 scene: "Cuban then turned to Stern and other NBA officials who were seated at the scorer's table and was overheard to shout venomously in the jubilant din, '[Bleep] you! [Bleep] you! Your league is rigged!' "
Cuban wrote that instead of yelling at Stern, he didn't say a word to the commissioner. Cuban also adamantly affirmed that he believes game outcomes are determined on the court, not in the league office.
"The games are not rigged," Cuban wrote. "That's a complete insult to the players on the court and the incredible amount of effort they put into preparing for and playing the games. "The NBA couldn't rig the games if it wanted to. And it doesn't want to. It's that simple."
That sounds more like the owner Stern would like to hear. He said Tuesday that he believes Cuban's more vitriolic outbursts are "not healthy for either him or the game."
"I don't think he is crazy. I think he is smart. I think his recent loss of self control is not planned and not calculated, and I think if he could, he would like to have some of it back," Stern said in an interview on San Francisco radio station KNBR. "Because at bottom, I really do believe it distracts the players and that can't be good. It sets a bad tone.
"He is very smart, he has to take credit and should be given credit for putting together a great team and giving his fans the entertainment experience in that building which is terrific. But at times I think he loses control and that is not healthy for either him or the game."
Cuban was irate over what he considered a series of officiating breakdowns at the end of Dallas' 101-100 overtime loss to the Miami Heat on Sunday night. The loss left the Mavericks trailing the series 3-2 and facing elimination going into Game 6 in Dallas on Tuesday night.
Cuban, for his part, disputed that any of his postgame verbiage was directed at Stern.
"Apparently The Miami Herald is reporting I screamed at the NBA commissioner after the game the other night," Cuban wrote Tuesday. "Didn't happen. Didn't say a word to the man. Not a single word. And that was absolutely by intention."
"Apparently this 'reporter' [writer Greg Cote] has written he has several 'sources.' Well they must be the same sources the tabloids use to find two-headed babys and aliens, because it didn't happen."
Stern told ESPN Radio 760 in West Palm Beach, Fla., that he and Cuban did not talk after the game.
"Mark has a way of looking over in the direction of wherever I happen to be sitting if the occasion of calls or game action he doesn't particularly like," Stern said. "But that would not make him the first owner to do that. I did not speak to him at the end of the game."
Cuban wore a Jerry Stackhouse jersey Sunday in Miami in support of the forward, suspended for a hard foul in Game 4.
A half-hour after Game 5, Cuban was still boiling during a testy interview with reporters.
He wrote a blog entry Monday explaining why he used profanity during a response to a question about whether this was the worst loss he'd endured.
"The reality is that it would be a waste of both of our time if I gave him the 'This was a tough one' answer, and a waste of my time to really think about it, particularly given there were 10 other reporters wanting to ask questions and we had a bus to catch," Cuban wrote.
His mind-set is perhaps better explained in a posting left a few minutes before titled, "Right is its own defense."
Cuban wrote about applying that catchphrase -- which he picked up from an old T-shirt -- to a business venture he's pursuing. He added that the slogan applies to the way he runs the Mavericks.
"I'm going to do what I think is right. Period end of story," he wrote. "You may not like that I want the officiating in the NBA to get better. I think it's the right thing to do."
NBA executives often praise Cuban for his passion, work ethic and high standards, even toward officiating.
It's his approach they're not always fond of, which is why he's been fined more than $1.45 million since buying the team in January 2000. That includes a $450,000 tab this postseason.
Still, Stern told ESPN Radio 760 that he wouldn't have a problem handing the championship trophy to Cuban if the Mavericks win the title.
"I've been doing this for a long time and I have a very good relationship with the Dallas franchise," Stern said. "I was there when it was formed. I was just visiting with Donald Carter who is a shareholder and the initial owner and is still an owner. I visited with Ross Perot Jr. who is still an investor and sold the majority to Mark [Cuban] and I spend time with Mark as well. Franchises in their own way belong to cities, in any event, and I would be very happy to award a trophy to either the good city of Miami, or the good city of Dallas."
Asked Monday night in an interview on Dallas television station WFAA if he would consider selling the team if he didn't see some of the league changes he wants, Cuban snapped his fingers and said "In a heartbeat. Yeah, if they drive me that crazy, in a heartbeat."
"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and not seeing any different results. If they don't want to make things better, then what am I here for?"
Cuban practically turned getting fined into an art form after going from an owner of season tickets to owning the Mavericks.
One comment about him not hiring the league's head of officiating to manage a Dairy Queen landed Cuban as a manager for a day; he also donned pinstripes and officiated a Harlem Globetrotters game.
As his team improved, there were fewer stunts. He remained a visible, vocal critic, though, enough for some to suggest that his team ends up not getting the benefit of the doubt from officials.
Mavs supporters have brought that up again in the wake of three players getting suspended this postseason, with Stackhouse the most recent.
Dallas had a chance to win without its top reserve, leading by 11 points early and by four late in the fourth quarter. Miami ended up winning on a pair of free throws by Dwyane Wade with 1.9 seconds left in overtime.
Cuban had several gripes about the play that sent Wade to the line, starting with Wade not being whistled for a collision that left Dallas' Jason Terry on the floor.
"I guess that's not a call," Cuban said. "I guess that's not a foul."
An assistant coach later showed Cuban that Wade appeared to commit a backcourt violation before the contact with Terry. It's hard to tell on replays because of the giant championship trophy logo at midcourt.
"My understanding from the rule book is, if you are going to catch the ball in the backcourt, you have to be in the backcourt to catch it," Cuban said.
But the NBA pointed out Monday that there was no violation on the play, citing a rule that allows a player to go into the backcourt to receive an inbound pass during the last two minutes of the fourth quarter or any overtime period.
Between Wade's free throws, Dallas was charged its final timeout. The Mavs insist they were only talking about calling it after Wade's second foul shot so they could set up a final play and move the ball to the frontcourt.
?Josh Howard goes to Joe DeRosa and not only once, but twice asks for a timeout," crew chief Joey Crawford told a pool reporter. "Forced to call it, simple as that."
Something else Mavericks followers are quick to note: Wade alone took 25 free throws, the same number as the entire Dallas team. The Heat took a total of 49 free throws.
"I don't know," Cuban said of the discrepancy. "I guess they got fouled more."
judge..
what i think is funny...is that guys who do think games are fixed...still bet on them....
That is because there is money to be made. You think i try to bet opposite of the fix?
And Judge he said it on ESPN and im not talking about what you wrote (but that was part of it) and of course the person who says it will always backtrack because they get slapped down just like Tony Steward just did, which i predicted I might add.
Stick around for football season and i will show you beforehand a game and what will happen. Now if this happens just like i say it does, just like all the predictions i made at the end of the NBA season (which of course can't be denied but ignored:142smilie )then i want an apology. Or maybe ten dollars:SIB . I already know Ar's mindset. Ten athletes could come out and tell him it is rigged and he still wouldn't believe it. By the way did you ever hear of the story years back where Bear Bryant and Vince Dooley (i think it was Vince) got caught on the phone giving each others their
game plan? They made a fool of the guy like they always do. How about Jack Kent Cooks limo driver who said Cook told him to never bet on the NFL because some games are rigged? Again what were those owners doing at that big housing compound with the heads of crime families? This is all documented Judge. Im not making this stuff up. How this
billion dollar industry has believers who think in no way nothing like this can happen is truly amazing. Isn't it amazing that When Lebron James was hurt this season Cleveland covered 90 percent of those games he was out? We see how bad they are. Never in my life did my team step it up when our best player was hurt. We got drilled just like we should have. Why is it that most times when the best player is out of the lineup his team usually covers the spread? Do they step it up? You mean the team was not trying hard when the best player was playing? Imagine when the best player plays and the team also stepped it up, how good a team could actually be? This stepping up doesn't happen in high school or when i played sports. Its a bullshit line to fool the naive. Stick around. I threw out the gauntlet and i will show everyone capable of opening up their minds that what im saying is a stone cold hard fact. Just do me a favor because i did this on a site five years ago and guys would only say i got lucky. And on another note i have nothing to gain from this but pointing a few things out to guys that lose a lot and nothing else.
Hard to believe that these guys can keep their mouths shut after their playing career is over.
I've been betting for 30 yrs. now and Sponge and I could have some great talk about everything I have personally seen. I consider the NBA one grade away from wrestling and boxing for being fixed. Players have supposidley thrown games from time to time (ASU) but the one way to fix games is thru the refs, especially football. In the mid 80's
I knew before the game that 1 team would be penalized 100 plus yds. and 1 would have 2 penalties for 20 yds. on Monday Nt. I could watch how the line moved during the week and tell what the pick was. I do think it is not as prevalent now as 20 yrs. ago. It was amazing to watch the line move and then the game for the holding calls at crucial times. Red was the KING of refs!!!
I knew before the game that 1 team would be penalized 100 plus yds. and 1 would have 2 penalties for 20 yds. on Monday Nt. I could watch how the line moved during the week and tell what the pick was. I do think it is not as prevalent now as 20 yrs. ago. It was amazing to watch the line move and then the game for the holding calls at crucial times. Red was the KING of refs!!!
Toto hang out a bit. I am noted for bringing lurkers out to the for front. I had a rough night tonight and can't fight the battle. Don't desert me cause i would love to talk
U right on there TOTO..............
U right on there TOTO..............
That's why i never worry about fixed games.....if and when one of the infrequent ones pops u u can usually spot it in line movement....one that i was privy to was an NBA game where my cousin was dating an NBA ref...he called enuff fouls untill the correct team covered the spread....and the winning team moved from +3 to -1 in the betting line.confirming my inside info..or.......... er ... ....FIX!!!
U right on there TOTO..............
That's why i never worry about fixed games.....if and when one of the infrequent ones pops u u can usually spot it in line movement....one that i was privy to was an NBA game where my cousin was dating an NBA ref...he called enuff fouls untill the correct team covered the spread....and the winning team moved from +3 to -1 in the betting line.confirming my inside info..or.......... er ... ....FIX!!!
Sponge is kind of backed into a corner on this one because you really can't bring up corruption in passing conversation, because people are quick to call you an idiot. Personally, I think it is ignorant to think everything is on the up and up. For those that are bashing on Sponge but agree that it does happen on occasion (evidence supports it), you are a hypocrite......Just sayin.
Very well said sir !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Very well said sir !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Saying that betting sports when u know some games may have foregone results is idiotic.............learn to spot the fixes !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Very well said sir !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Saying that betting sports when u know some games may have foregone results is idiotic.............learn to spot the fixes !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
