The Future is Bright

[azbob]

Only Republicans and Independents should read this post.

After Bushs' term, it was obvious that the Dems could run anyone and they were going to win the 2008 election. They did run "almost anyone" and ended up with The Obama.

America had to endure two years of a demo president and Congress and we may survive although that jury is still out.

On the other hand, there is no better script that could have been written for a Republican takeover of the White House and Congress in 2012.

Just think, if the dems would have nominated a competent person, there is no way they would have been defeated for a second term and it is very unlikely that even the tea party movement could have had a dramatic mid-term impact. Let's just say it would have been President Hillary. As much as you may disagree with her politics, she would be a leader and the nation would not be in the situation it is now in AND, more importantly, I'm sure she would have won a second term.

With The Obama running again on this record, there is no doubt his base will not turn out (the far left and far right share their disgust with him), blacks won't turn out (what promise has he kept) and Hispanics won't turn out (he lied to them). Just about any Republican should win easily and bring a majority to the Senate with him.

This would have been unthinkable in 2008 but, now it is unthinkable that the nation will accept four more years of The Obama.

I think we will have eight years of a Republican WH and at least two years of a Republican Congress...more if they get something done.

The amazing thing is it only took two years for the citizens to forget about any trangressions from the Bush years (of course the media refuses to give it up) but, it will take at least two full terms for them to forget about the Obama liberal experiment...if not longer. Now that the baby boomers are entering retirement, does anyone thing they are going to take this kind of chance again?

One key will be the selection of the VP for the Republican candidate. The right pick should ensure at least another Republican term.

Of course this is just between us as the liberals on this site already have to live with The Obama and we don't make their lives any easier as you know they are holding their nose when they have to try to defend him. I'm sure they also know what they are up against for the next eight years. I'm afraid the gravy train is over for the malcontents, the illegals, the criminals, the frauds, the lazy and those that don't make a contribution.

It truly is an amazing political turnaround in just two years.

 

[ssd]

D or R? Who cares....different shades of gray.

Vote Ron Paul

 

[shawn555]

This country is so beyond fucked.

So bob you are looking forward to the republicans getting back in and fucking shit up again?

Obama gets in because Bush fucked up so much.

Obama comes into a shit storm, fucks up trying to shine a turd and the republicans get to take over again and fuck shit up.

That is where we are in this once great country, who gives a fuck if the country improves as long as "my" political party wins the next time.

Why you would vote for either republican or democrat is beyond me. Neither gives a fuck about you, its all about them gaining more power and staying in office. Nothing else matters.

But hey keep posting cool articles like this anything to keep your mind off of what is important.

 

[StevieD]

Your article kind of points out that Bush was a disgrace and Americans were so disgusted with him that they would have voted for any democrat.
And somehow you view this as a plus?

We screwed it up. He didn't fix it. So vote for us!


Typical Republican thinking. :142smilie

 

[Chadman]

A couple of points (although I wasn't supposed to read this). I was (and still am) a Clinton supporter and have no doubt she would have made a good president. At this point I would consider voting for a good republican option, but have not seen that person yet. I do think more conservative economics will be important for our country in the next few years, all things considered. I think it's a matter of national security.

But I have not - and most that did not vote for Bush have not - forgotten about the Bush transgressions. And before Wayne posts his pic, I DO NOT miss Bush.

 

[azbob]

Shawn...after you graduate from high school you will (hopefully) be able to express yourself without the use of profanity.

Chadman...Hillary was punished by the demo party because Bill caved in on welfare reform. He compromised any principle he may have held just to get elected and re-elected. Hillary would not do that which is why she would have been a formitable foe and a sure two-termer.

StevieD...I'm not a Republican (I warned that this thread was probably over your head and you shouldn't try to understand it)

SSD...I too am a Ron Paul supporter.

 

[StevieD]

Shawn...after you graduate from high school you will (hopefully) be able to express yourself without the use of profanity.

Chadman...Hillary was punished by the demo party because Bill caved in on welfare reform. He compromised any principle he may have held just to get elected and re-elected. Hillary would not do that which is why she would have been a formitable foe and a sure two-termer.

StevieD...I'm not a Republican (I warned that this thread was probably over your head and you shouldn't try to understand it)

SSD...I too am a Ron Paul supporter.

You are a real piece of work. You start an article by saying that any Dem could have won in 08. Now, is that because Bush did so great or did so bad? My uneducated self would think he did bad. To vote in a bunch of Republicans now would be a complete a disaster. Granted Obama is no prize and most likely a closet Neocon. And Hillary has turned into one too. The only way out of this mess is to pull the troops back home and spend, spend, spend until we can get people working again.

 

[Chadman]

Personally, I don't think Hillary was punished by the party - the party just realized what a special opportunity they had in Obama after early results. No doubt, a woman candidate has it's own concerns, especially on the heels of the Clinton male issues. I think Hillary would have been realistic on the welfare issues - she is a smart woman, politician, and could have been an important leader, IMO.

And Stevie - I think to suggest that the way out of our mess is to spend, spend, spend is ridiculous. We have to start controlling what we spend - in all areas.

 

[Trampled Underfoot]

And Stevie - I think to suggest that the way out of our mess is to spend, spend, spend is ridiculous. We have to start controlling what we spend - in all areas.

That is incorrect. We need to take the money we have been spending on defense and use it to put people to work. We don't need to spend more, we just need to spend more wisely.

 

[StevieD]

Personally, I don't think Hillary was punished by the party - the party just realized what a special opportunity they had in Obama after early results. No doubt, a woman candidate has it's own concerns, especially on the heels of the Clinton male issues. I think Hillary would have been realistic on the welfare issues - she is a smart woman, politician, and could have been an important leader, IMO.

And Stevie - I think to suggest that the way out of our mess is to spend, spend, spend is ridiculous. We have to start controlling what we spend - in all areas.

What Tramp said. But we have to put people to work. Fixing the infrastructure. That is going to cost money. We already know that we cannot count on Big Business to help us. They are the ones sending the jobs out of the country.

Chad to put the wagons in a circle would be suicide now. You are not going to save your way out of this mess.

 

[Trench]

With The Obama running again on this record, there is no doubt his base will not turn out (the far left and far right share their disgust with him), blacks won't turn out (what promise has he kept) and Hispanics won't turn out (he lied to them). Just about any Republican should win easily and bring a majority to the Senate with him.

I think we will have eight years of a Republican WH and at least two years of a Republican Congress...more if they get something done.

One key will be the selection of the VP for the Republican candidate. The right pick should ensure at least another Republican term.

It truly is an amazing political turnaround in just two years.

First you make the statements above and then you want us to believe the statement below??

StevieD...I'm not a Republican

Bob, deny it all you want, but YOU my friend, are REPUBLICAN to the core.

 

[azbob]

I directed my original note to people who had the capacity to have an independent thought. (spend, spend, spend...really now?)

I, like most Americans are financially conservative and would like the government to stay out of social issues.

My realistic approach allows me to both identify the failed Presidency of The Obama and the fact that a libertarian will not be elected the next president.

Given that, the Republicans offer the right perspective on financial issues and I can live with a states' rights approach on social issues. (that is also why I am not in favor of the Tea Party as they are far too focused on bringing religion into politics)

You don't have to now post inane note after note listing the sins of the Republican party...that's why I'm voting for Ron Paul.

I would have voted for The Obama before McCain because it was obvious that we needed to change direction. I thought he would supplement his lack of experience with top-notch advisors and consensus building. I was very wrong and for those of you still obsessed with Bush, whatever rating you ascribe to him has to be, at least, the same given to The Obama.

If you feel compelled to post something, why don't you try and argue with my logic regarding the direction of the country for the next 8-12 years. I'm still waiting for posts touting a demo candidate other than The Obama because the party is now on a doomsday path and I haven't read one scenario that disputes that conclusion.

 

[Trench]

If you feel compelled to post something, why don't you try and argue with my logic regarding the direction of the country for the next 8-12 years. I'm still waiting for posts touting a demo candidate other than The Obama because the party is now on a doomsday path and I haven't read one scenario that disputes that conclusion.

Why should we do that? You haven't even identified the mystery Republican that you believe will make Obama a one-term President.

It's easy to say "anyone" can beat an incumbent President. How about giving us a name, Bob? :shrug:

 

[Trampled Underfoot]

Given that, the Republicans offer the right perspective on financial issues

Sorry. I just about fell out of my chair.

 

[StevieD]

Given that, the Republicans offer the right perspective on financial issues and I can live with a states' rights approach on social issues. (that is also why I am not in favor of the Tea Party as they are far too focused on bringing religion into politics)


I would have voted for The Obama before McCain because it was obvious that we needed to change direction. .

Okay, so the Republicans offer the right perspective but you would have voted for a Democrat because we needed to change direction.
:shrug:

 

[Chadman]

Guys, I'm sorry, but as long as each side doggedly sticks to their political views with no bending, we'll never get out of this mess. If you cannot locate other areas of spending that need to be cut - areas democrats traditionally favor - then I'd say you aren't being realistic. In my view, across the board cuts, along with increased taxes in some areas is the only realistic way out of this mess - and the only fair way to look at it. Of course we'd all wish things to be the way we personally believe, but then we'd have several million different opinions on what we *should* do.

I personally agree we should get out of Afghanistan, and mostly out of Iraq - always have. I don't think we should have gone in to either one, although I understand going after the people that killed our people - which at the time had nothing to do with Iraq and very little to do with Afghanistan. But Bush made sure we'd have to keep a lot of soldiers and firepower in Iraq when he built his American Taj Mahal there, and the huge air force base there. No mystery to me why that was done, but that's a different subject. But i also realize our entitlement system is a huge drain on our economy and honestly think in many cases it is a detriment to our society when it goes on for generations. There could be plenty of other options for using that money that could help people and not just subsidize them indefinitely - and force some responsibility out of them if they truly care about changing their lives.

Nothing is as simple as only cutting one side of things to support the other. If you're being realistic, IMO.

 

[Duff Miver]

Why should we do that? You haven't even identified the mystery Republican that you believe will make Obama a one-term President.

It's easy to say "anyone" can beat an incumbent President. How about giving us a name, Bob? :shrug:

Here are some names for the azzbob to choose from, polls 8-10-11

General Election: Romney vs. Obama McClatchy/Marist Obama 46, Romney 41 Obama +5
General Election: Perry vs. Obama McClatchy/Marist Obama 52, Perry 33 Obama +19
General Election: Bachmann vs. Obama McClatchy/Marist Obama 52, Bachmann 35 Obama +17
General Election: Pawlenty vs. Obama McClatchy/Marist Obama 49, Pawlenty 36 Obama +13
General Election: Giuliani vs. Obama McClatchy/Marist Obama 48, Giuliani 43 Obama +5
General Election: Palin vs. Obama McClatchy/Marist Obama 56, Palin 35 Obama +21

 

[azbob]

Back to the premise of the post...America gave The Obama a chance and two years later, they provided direct feedback on his performance.

I knew we would get the same old posters with the same old tactics..."spend, spend, spend" is a classic.

I feel sorry for you all but, I understand you have no choice but, to ride this horse. Good luck with that.

 

[Duff Miver]

I understand you have no choice but, to ride this horse. Good luck with that.

For the next 2.5 years you have to ride the same horse too, azzbob. And likely for four more years after that.

You don't seem to quite grasp the concept that we have only one president at a time.

 

[The Sponge]

I find it amazing that our culture as of now has people so brainwashed about spending that we are not allowed to spend even one dime anymore. Back in the Hoover days we did the same exact thing that caused the great depression. "let the markets take care of themselves". If the corporations are not spending, and the consumers are not spending, then the Gov't has too spend period. Yes u have to also cut spending. We need a real stimulus bill and not some care package where the rich have to be included. The rich will get their money when the consumer spends it. I have said this a thousand times. When i had my restaurant i didn't need a tax break. What i needed was money in other peoples pockets. No amount of a tax break was gonna make me hire someone if i didn't have the clientele to support this new hire. Take Vegas casino's for example. What good is a tax break to them if they can't get people to walk thru their doors because the people have no money? Take a useless insurance agent for example. What is a tax break gonna do for him if the consumer has no money to buy his product? Obama and all this nonsense to try to get the other side to stop playing partisan politics has been the biggest mistake of his presidency. These assholes on the other side will run the country right into the ground to smash the middle class and get control again. These Obama policies are an extention of Bush's policies that is why we are where we are today. It is hilarious how guys like Dogs, Maggot, and Assbob call Obama the worst president in the history of the country but just a few short years ago supported these same god awful policies that got us in this mess to begin with. I doubt if Obama gets a second term but i can't wait for his first interview and they ask him what was his biggest mistake. He will say "trying to get the other side to bargain in good faith". Like somehow he missed the whole Kenneth Star fiasco with Clinton. That is when i throw up and move on. How the hell could he be so naive or is it what Stevie say's and he is just a closet neo-con.