The hypocrisies by the liberals is just astounding.
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Scott Walker has probably seen his fate as a one term guy. Not because of my opinions but because he pist enough people who know people. He will get his usually neocon support but the people this effects will vote against him and the people they know will vote against him Voter turn out will be at an all time high. JMO Is it fair right now? Probably not but if he don't start kissing ass, he is writing a one way ticket outta here.
Mags.. Are you in health insurance? Or are you the guy that determines what care you provide? Just wondering?
Very simply - my income, through consulting, has dropped 50%.
300 folks at an insurance company in Milw were fired due to obamacare (the MLR provisions were the cause).
Principal insurance company in IA dropped out of the Individual Market (and laid off employees). They were involved in actually getting into the market, hired employees - then did an about face when Obamacare passed.
There are more companies that have left the individual market or the entire market as a result of Obamacare. There will be more.
There will likely be 1-2 companies selling in each state once this is done. Some had has many as 30 previously. But that is exactly what the bill wanted.
So, I understand the pain people feel due to politicians playing the political game.
Mags, you need to get your facts straight. My son is an excutive with Principal and calls that a lie. Principal laid off workers in early 2009 (before Obamacare) because of the poor economy.
More apocryphal claims from Mags, but no facts.
Apparently Mags is unaware of worst economic recession since the Great Depression.
I keep saying... you're a funny guy, Mags... even when you're not trying to be.
And on which line of the 1040 is it that you declare how much income you lost to Obamacare this year?
This could be useful to public employees next year. They can cross out Obamacare and write in "union busting"... :0074
Seems to me, that if Obamacare was the direct reason all those people were laid off or fired, wouldn't the son and/or company be only TOO happy to blame that? Why would they possibly assume the responsibility as he seems to be doing for poor company performance if there was something easier to blame? A company executive takes it more on the company having trouble than government mandated issues causing the problems?
That's a new one for me. Doesn't make sense from an outside the window perspective, at least.
You would think so, wouldn't you?
Geesh, Chad, there is so much going on behind the scenes - stuff that I do have direct knowledge of, but certainly can't put on a public message board.
The administration has been very viligent (sp) of protecting their "reputation" and the bill's reputation. Remember how Waxman was going to have all the companies come to a hearing so he could yell at them? This was last April. Why? Because they published the fact that they had to take a writedown (a decrease in economic value of the company) due to some of the Obamacare provisions. Waxman called these companies (not health care companies, btw) on the carpet and told them how dare they say anything bad about Obamacare, and he wanted to get to the bottom of it. AFTER he scheduled the hearing, he had to cancel it. WHY? Because SEC guidelines require the companies to do EXACTLY what they did.
Remember how Wellpoint in CA got hammered by Obama in just about every public speech last February due to their big rate increase? Remember how Waxman was pulling in their execs to testify numerous times before house committees?
Insurance companies could not win - they would show valid actuarial data on why rates were what they were - but the average layperson could not understand it, so it was an argument that was unwinable.
Remember when Deval Patrick (MA) recinded approved rate increases in MA for carriers there because "he felt they were too large"? And these carriers, like Harvard Pilgrim, were not for profits! They weren't trying to rake customers over the coals in terms of price. They were just trying to charge the appropriate rate, based on the claims that they had!
Don't discount the value of the bully pulpit. There were also things going on behind the scenes that would amaze you. I won't talk about it publicly (and very seldom privately) due to be scared. This administration is whacked.
You don't have to believe me (and I'm sure some folks here won't - and frankly I don't care if they do or don't) - but the administration made it very clear to insurance companies that if they didn't keep their mouth shut, the gov would make things even worse for them than they already are.
I'll give Obama credit - his IL roots have really helped him (so did Emmanual). This behind the scenes stuff may go on with all admins, but these guys have it down perfectly.
You will not see ANY health insurance company say anything negative about Obamacare publicly - it is just far too risky - and they were warned directly not to do so. That is the truth.
You should check your sources Mags, I have one that makes company decisions. The decision to leave the individual health insurance market started in 2003.
KC - I know they did leave previously - I know the Individual insurance market very well. Your point that they left in 2003 wasn't even close to what I was saying.
It's not worth debating anymore. Frankly, in the whole scheme of things, it really isn't a big deal. Principal exited the entire health business (including small group) within 6 months of Obamacare becoming law, so it really doesn't matter. But if you really think that was entirely coincidental, I have some oceanfront property to sell you in Nebraska......
More importantly, this is a Scott Walker, American Hero, thread!
Think this guy is pissing a lot of of people off. He just signed his ticket as being a one termer.
Not true. The majority are behind him. Of course, those that have most to lose will be the loudest.
A lot of people in the state are very proud of him - most politicians are too scared to take on budget issues and make the tough choices. See Obama, Barack.
Obama was too afraid to even SUBMIT a budget during the entire 2010 budget year.
Walker is showing leadership (whether you agree with him or not). I still have not seen Obama cut spending, or more importantly, put any proposals out there to cut governments costs and entitlement programs (which are the bulk of our spending).
Borrowing from the old Almond Joy song "Scott Walker has nuts, Obama don't".
61% do not support this Mags. He is losing support, get your blinders off. The people feel duped and thosee that are pist will show up to the pols in record numbers
More unsupported BS from Maggot - The majority are behind him.
A separate automated Wisconsin poll released last week by We Ask America also found more opposition than support for Walker's plan. In this case, the sponsor was not a union group but an organization affiliated with the Illinois Manufacturers Association.
http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/116785183.html
A new USA Today/Gallup poll shows that the public doesn?t support efforts by GOP governors such as Scott Walker of Wisconsin to eliminate some of the collective bargaining rights of public employee unions, including the teachers? union. Of Americans surveyed, only 33 percent said they would favor such a bill in their own state, while 61 percent oppose it.
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2011/02/public-doesnt-support-taking-away-union-rights/#ixzz1Eu5IFcxU
Duff has links, Maggot don't. LMAO!!
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