The Man Who Told The Internet He Came From The Future.....Presenting JOHN TITOR

[THE KOD]

Re: Proof John Titor Was A Hoax

It has been years since I had the proof but his time machine photo was really just a cold war Civil Defense Set, used in fallout shelters to detect radiation in the air and on people.

if you haven't seen it, the evidence is that a GURPS role playing
game from the mid nineties has an almost identical plot to John's
future - even the dates. The link for the rpg site is down now. But it
seems to confirm beyond reasonable doubt that it is a hoax.

read about this story this morning and can't believe how long this story has went without being discredited.
John Titor's time machine is a 1950's vintage Civil Defense Set, used in fallout shelters to detect radiation in the air and on people. In one of the photo's of the "time machine" John has pulled the CDV 700 series radiac used for personnel from the container, you can clearly see the Civil Defense Logo on the side of the meter. The metal box that houses the set also contains an air monitor that checks for Tritium and or Neutron radiation. The schematics are for the air monitor that used Ion Mobility Spectrometry or scintillation to detect radiation.
These kits can be purchased at military surplus stores for pocket change, or even found at old fallout shelters.

Cliff

Darby,

I fully concur with your source. The folks in my office HDER (Homeland Defense Equipment Reutilization) also concur. I am currently looking for a manual for this type of monitor. They were state of the art in the 1960's and very few were ever made. They were difficult and dangerous to operate as they used compressed carrier gases to monitor the atmosphere. Most likely because of the expense they were reserved for shelters that would house high profile individuals. I have e-mailed a few of my friends who specialize in radiological and chemical monitoring to see if they can remember the nomenclature of this monitor. I will let you know when I hear from them.
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I asked a Civil defense museum expert and he identified
the radiation detector as a CDV717. However, he has no
idea what the black box is.
Why can no one identify the black box itself?
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Furthermore Cliff, Here is his whole statement:


"The black box is some goofy movie type prop some joker put together, called it a "time machine" and put it up on the internet. I don't know what purpose an old CD V-717 would serve with a "time machine" but I guess it looks cooler with some type of radiation detector sitting on top of it. I think the page said that the car and "time machine" were from the future. Wow! Sounds very much like a movie I saw once.

More.......
The black box isn't anything Civil Defense related. Cliff's message below is also full of B.S. He obviously doesn't know what he's talking about either. He says it's a 1950s civil defense set. The CD V-717 in the photo wasn't built until 1964 so it couldn't be from a "1950s civil defense set." The other guy says the set is from the 1960s though which I also think is B.S. unless it's some kind of military thing. The CD V-717 sitting on top of it has got everyone thinking it's some kind of radiation thing which I don't think it is. Like I said above it's just some prop some joker put together."
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John Titor = John R. Habor of Florida

This is just a money-making scheme for the foolish. Books, movies, etc. of something there is no PROOF for.

Don't buy into it.
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John Titor and Santa Claus sucked my dick!
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John Titor = John R. Habor of Florida

This is just a money-making scheme for the foolish. Books, movies, etc. of something there is no PROOF for.

Don't buy into it.
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Yup. titor = totally fake. i'm surprised so many people still believe this crud.
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He was real. Doesn't matter if you believe him or not. He was unable to change the future. Just proves you cannot change events, because they already happened.
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Obvious hoax. The test of time always comes back to bite the would-be hoaxer.

The most immediate of Titor's predictions was of an upcoming civil war in the United States having to do with "order and rights". He described it as beginning in 2004, with civil unrest surrounding the United States presidential election, 2004. This civil conflict that he characterizes as "having a Waco type event every month that steadily gets worse" will be "pretty much at everyone's doorstep" and erupts by 2008.

Good call, TITor.

lmao
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so he was off by a few years.

replace 2004 w/ congressional election 2010 and i'd say he might be spot on.

In 2001 thought of a civil war in 2008 was laughable.

In 2010 it is a very real possibility.
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Re: Proof John Titor Was A Hoax

I have heard that John Titor has been proven to be a hoax, but never have seen any proof. It seems that it is accepted as fact throughout the internet that Titor was a hoax.

Please post links or other information to PROVE that Titor was a hoax. When I say PROOF, I need more than just "lol I spoke to the fake Tirozlol!!111!1!11"

I am open to the idea that Titor was fake, but am also open to the idea that the proof he was fake is government disinformation so your proof better be SOLID.

Prove he was fake or STFU and get of my internet!!!
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LOL! I can't believe some people actually believed him! He did not predict the first Black American president. Everything he said would happen never happened, he never even predicted 9/11 for goodness sake! If he was going to hoax something like that he should have claimed to be much farther forward in the future so he'd be dead by the time people found out he was a hoax! LOL! Or at least the people reading his posts would be dead or old by the time his claims were supposed to have happened.


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easier to search the internet about the doubts

 

[ImFeklhr]

Forget the internet searches, and set aside some of the serious scientific hurdles it doesn't even pass the sniff test.
Assuming we develop time travel at some point in the future, and assuming it developed something like the space program, it would be high level military/scientific people taking the first steps.

Help me understand at what point, some random guy would be sent back to post things on the Internet in 2000? If time travel had become so ubiquitous that this was possible for every joe-schmo, then why aren't we overrun with time travelers? And why would they be from the near future? Why wouldn't there be millions of time travelers from thousands of years in the future walking around all the time?

And regarding his predictions, which I haven't studied, it's probably very similar to the parlor tricks a "psychic" would employ, make vague but plausible predictions based on the world as you know it at the time, and cover your bases. Make enough predictions that a few will be right.

I've always had an interest in these things, but what you start noticing is that when you get into one so called "conspiracy theory" you become into ALL of them. Very rarely will you meet someone who believes in one of them and not a host of others, with no real connection to each other. Moon landing deniers, are also chem-trail supporters, UFO believers are time traveler living us among us etc. etc.

Why is that? Well it takes an open mind to believe in anything, and that's a good thing. But personally when I get excited about one fanciful idea, I start thinking "is this just belief because it's fun or exciting, and provides an alternative to the futility of the human experience, or does the evidence truly point to it's truth".

Whatever the truth ends up being, I think the best approach is to constantly doubt yourself. Anytime you believe anything too strongly, it's probably time to take a hard look at the opposing position.
There is no history of humans having a tendency to NOT believe things. Most of the trouble we get into is because we too easily believe things. Our species is built on a strong foundation of pattern-recognition; our intelligence and superiority over other creatures on the planet are based us quickly believing things. Being a skeptic over knee jerk (or even seemingly well thought out) positions is hard. And sometimes you feel like you are being a skeptic because you believe something unpopular, but in reality skepticism is required on both sides of an argument.

 

[THE KOD]

I've always had an interest in these things, but what you start noticing is that when you get into one so called "conspiracy theory" you become into ALL of them. Very rarely will you meet someone who believes in one of them and not a host of others, with no real connection to each other. Moon landing deniers, are also chem-trail supporters, UFO believers are time traveler living us among us etc. etc.

Why is that? Well it takes an open mind to believe in anything, and that's a good thing. But personally when I get excited about one fanciful idea, I start thinking "is this just belief because it's fun or exciting, and provides an alternative to the futility of the human experience, or does the evidence truly point to it's truth".

Whatever the truth ends up being, I think the best approach is to constantly doubt yourself. Anytime you believe anything too strongly, it's probably time to take a hard look at the opposing position.

alot of truth there


kinda like hedge believing voter fraud, Obama a muslim, michelle a man, ebola gov conspiracy and on and on and on.


I feel sorry for hedge he is so naive about life matters

 

[ImFeklhr]

alot of truth there


kinda like hedge believing voter fraud, Obama a muslim, michelle a man, ebola gov conspiracy and on and on and on.

blind faith in anything is super comforting, and it makes life easier to deal with.
I reserve most of my blind faith for the San Francisco Giants, and only lately has that made life easier.

 

[MadJack]

Forget the internet searches, and set aside some of the serious scientific hurdles it doesn't even pass the sniff test.
Assuming we develop time travel at some point in the future, and assuming it developed something like the space program, it would be high level military/scientific people taking the first steps.

Help me understand at what point, some random guy would be sent back to post things on the Internet in 2000? If time travel had become so ubiquitous that this was possible for every joe-schmo, then why aren't we overrun with time travelers? And why would they be from the near future? Why wouldn't there be millions of time travelers from thousands of years in the future walking around all the time?

And regarding his predictions, which I haven't studied, it's probably very similar to the parlor tricks a "psychic" would employ, make vague but plausible predictions based on the world as you know it at the time, and cover your bases. Make enough predictions that a few will be right.

I've always had an interest in these things, but what you start noticing is that when you get into one so called "conspiracy theory" you become into ALL of them. Very rarely will you meet someone who believes in one of them and not a host of others, with no real connection to each other. Moon landing deniers, are also chem-trail supporters, UFO believers are time traveler living us among us etc. etc.

Why is that? Well it takes an open mind to believe in anything, and that's a good thing. But personally when I get excited about one fanciful idea, I start thinking "is this just belief because it's fun or exciting, and provides an alternative to the futility of the human experience, or does the evidence truly point to it's truth".

Whatever the truth ends up being, I think the best approach is to constantly doubt yourself. Anytime you believe anything too strongly, it's probably time to take a hard look at the opposing position.
There is no history of humans having a tendency to NOT believe things. Most of the trouble we get into is because we too easily believe things. Our species is built on a strong foundation of pattern-recognition; our intelligence and superiority over other creatures on the planet are based us quickly believing things. Being a skeptic over knee jerk (or even seemingly well thought out) positions is hard. And sometimes you feel like you are being a skeptic because you believe something unpopular, but in reality skepticism is required on both sides of an argument.

:toast:

 

[SBRPhillyFlyers]

Titor was never proven a fraud. By anyone.

People asked all sorts of questions. He took time to answer nearly all of them.

People asked for proof of what he was saying. He submitted photos and drawings of his time machine.

People asked for the name of his military unit. He gave the name and location of it.

This is not the behavior of a fraud.

 

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didn't Kosar post beyond the grave...:0074