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hey A, been driving around to all the malls lookin for something called the "wee". some kid (claims she's my daughter but haven't seen DNA results yet) wants one for Christmas. Can't find this damn game anywhere; any ideas? Hey, I am headed back to Greenie Land Dec. 11th, get us a tee time and we will tip a few...



It's best just to call around to the stores from your house or cell phone..

Nintendo continues to drive up interest and demand w/short supplies in stores.

Game Stop is supposedly getting a shipment this week.

kmart..circuit city..best buy..


you will like the games as well..

Bowling is a hoot..

Play it once and you will be calling up buddies to come over so you can beat their brains in..

I tried to get one Black Friday...no luck..


If you have a friend or friend of a friend who works at any of the outlets for the game ..

drop a hint that you need a favor..

hide that damn box til you can get to the store.

Try craigslist..might have to pay 300.00 or more for it there..retail for 250.00
 

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move to canada......get all the nfl network games on tsn.ca for free....lolol
 

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Its all about more money for the league. Unfortunately, I'm afraid this is just the beginning. I can see down the road where all NFL games will be on some sort of a pay package, similar to the NFL Sunday Ticket. I hope I'm wrong, but I have a feeling the days of watching the games on free TV are slowly going to be a thing of the past:sadwave:

directv is the only way to go, sunday ticket superfan is great. This is the seventh year in a row I have had the sunday ticket. I have had the NFL network since the first day. :00hour

The NFL owners are the biggest whores of any major league in sports.
 

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There is a big hoo haw here in Wisconsin, with much of the state NOT getting the Packer-Dallas game, as they are not part of the home market for the Packers (Madison and western part of the state).

The cable companies here don't have NFL network - they are saying they will only carry it if they can put it in a "sports" network.

Now, this doesn't bother me, as I've had Directv since 1994. But I know a lot of others it bothers.

The paper here (Milwaukee) had a great article on this whole issue. Why does the NFL network (and Big 10 network HAVE to be in a sports tier, and not part of the basic package? I'm starting to understand the NFL and Big 10's viewpoint.

If the NFL network MUST be on a sports tier, shouldn't other channels also be on specific "tiers", so others don't have to pay for them?

The paper went on to list the costs of many of the channels cable carries:

ESPN $3.26
Fox Sports North $1.92
TNT $0.91
Disney Channel $0.83
Nickelodeon $0.43
Discovery $0.31
MTV $0.30
ABC Family $0.21
Cartoon Network $0.16

The NFL Network wants to be on the basic tier and costs $0.70. The Big 10 network want to be on basic tier and costs $1.10.

So, it doesn't appear to be unreasonable (to me) for what they are charging. Heck, Fox Sports North is almost 3 times the cost - and people only watch that channel when the Brewers or Bucks are on.

So, here is what they could do:

Put the NFL and Big 10 in a "Big time sports" tier and charge $1.80.

Put Disney Channel, Nick, ABC Family, Discovery, Cartoon channel in a "Family package" and charge $1.63.

Let people choose. We pay for a lot of crap programming we don't want - why are they making an example of the NFL network?

Doesn't make sense, does it?
 

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Heaven, oh!!, this isn't it?!
Why is it human nature to wait until the day before one of the biggest games in the history of the NFL to bring this to light? :shrug:

FOCK the NFL Network:fingerc:

FOCK Charter Cable :gf:

Just sayin...
 

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Agree 100%. NFL seems to think they are on par with the likes of ESPN, but outside of a few days a year, who really needs it. I have the network, will watch the game Thursday night, but otherwise they don't offer anything I can't get elsewhere.

i very rarely watch espn mainly because they think that they are now comedy central....i don't like or watch rich eisen or deion sanders, but i like the nfl network.i enjoy watching old footage of nfl games & especially liked their documentary series titled "america's game".
 

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Remind me again - why in the world would anyone have cable
because i use it for internet and get a discounted basic package for their TV.

before i moved here i had satellite since way before directv with a 12' dish on my yard, got directv the day it was offered and used it until march 2005 when i moved here.

i wouldn't buy sunday ticket or any of the other sports packages now that i rarely bet sports so "remind me again - why in the world would I have directv?"

and i don't rent.
 

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and i bitch because i do like watching some prime time nfl games and they have to put this damn game on nfl network and my cable doesn't offer itas part of their package.

no, i'm not getting satellite because of these rare instances and i'm not going to add it onto my cable package either for one or 2 games a year.

the point is; the nfl and the cable companies are robbing us every chance they get.
 

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Why don't you guys just read a book for once?

:shrug:

this coming from mr directv with all the sports packages and tivo backed to the max so he can catch up with man vs wilderness or whatnot.

:142smilie

i could actually do without tv. i mostly watch movies i rent anyway.

i would watch the gb/dal game if it was offered and i will watch the playoffs but i'm basically done with any sports on tv for the rest of the year. no sense watching if you aren't betting, imo, unless you are a fan following your team and my team is done. :shrug:
 

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but i'm basically done with any sports on tv for the rest of the year. no sense watching if you aren't betting, imo, unless you are a fan following your team and my team is done. :shrug:

Just had this conversation with a friend about sports and betting. I came to the realization that one of the reasons I am enjoying coaching a young hoops team so much is the pureness of it. If it wasn't the Colts playing the only reason I pretty much watched a game was if I had action on it. At times, it can keep you in a constant state of depression. Betting this stuff is a fun hobby but every once in a while I envy the guy who never picked up this habit and is just a 'fan'.

:shrug:
 

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Betting this stuff is a fun hobby but every once in a while I envy the guy who never picked up this habit and is just a 'fan'.

:shrug:

Wow - that is so true. I've actually played fantasy football for the 1st time this year - and found that FF keeps me as interested in the games as betting does.

Of course, being a Packer fan hasn't hurt either :00hour
 

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An article from SI



Is it your inalienable right to have the NFL Network on your basic cable subscription? The NFL thinks so. Big Cable -- Time Warner Cable (Time Warner is the parent company of Time Warner Cable and Sports Illustrated) and Comcast, most notably -- think not.

We'll start to feel the heat on this issue Thursday night, when the first of eight games in 38 days is aired, a tepid matchup between Indianapolis and Atlanta (that lineup is the extent of live NFL football on the 24-hour NFL channel). The two referendum games come later, a month apart -- Green Bay at Dallas on Nov. 29, and New England at the Giants on Dec. 29.

The Green Bay-Dallas game will draw attention because this game for NFC supremacy and likely home-field advantage through the playoffs won't be seen on cable TV in either team's state capital; Madison and Austin don't have the NFL network on their cable systems.

The Patriots could be going for an undefeated regular season in week 17 at the Meadowlands, and 70 percent of the country with cable TV won't be able to watch because the big cable companies -- Time Warner and Comcast being the largest -- haven't reached a deal with the NFL to show the channel.

This is the second season with eight games on the fledgling network. The NFL eschewed a $400 million annual offer from Comcast to farm out the eight games before the 2006 season so the league could show them on its own network. Though the NFL has made deals with 240 smaller companies nationwide, most of the country is locked into Big Cable. And it's highly unlikely a deal will be made with either Time Warner or Comcast to break the logjam in time to show any or all of the eight games this year, though the Federal Communication Commission may force the two sides to binding arbitration after its monthly meeting in Washington on Nov. 27.

I want to lay out the two positions so you can have an opinion, if you want to have one. I've had a lot of people who won't see the games tell me, in essence: a pox on both their houses for not being able to figure out a fair way to give us the games.

I'll let Dallas owner Jerry Jones, the chairman of the league's broadcast committee, lay out his side, then you'll hear from the cable companies.

"We offer the cable company several minutes of advertising inventory on NFL Network. Every hour of every day they receive commercial time where they sell the ads and keep all the revenue. And in an effort to be better partners, we even set aside extra commercial inventory during our highly rated NFL games. Each cable operator gets 18 30-second ads during these games and they keep all the revenue from those too. Why do they have to charge the fans?

"Ask the fans this: Would you trade in three shopping channels, the Versus Network and Turner Classic Movies for the opportunity to have one channel in this country dedicated to football year-round? We offer a tremendous array of football-related content, the most popular programming in the country, and we do it for the cost to the cable operator of less than one movie ticket a year per subscriber. Would you rather go see one movie in the theater for two hours or have 24/7 year-round access to football?''

Big Cable clearly thinks the NFL Network is expensive niche programming, and disputes the league's claim it wouldn't have to raise rates if it took on the network. As one cable company official said to me: "The NFL wants us to show eight football games in six weeks, and then the rest of the year show a channel that has more repeats than ESPN News. They want us to do something that would force us to raise our rates. And quite frankly, there's been no groundswell from our customers to do this.''

I thought the fair thing might be to show how much money the cable companies are charged to carry some channels, just to put the stance of the NFL into some perspective. The firm SNL Financial, based in Charlottesville, Va., gathers financial data for the cable industry and provided me with these figures:

COST PER SUBSCRIBER HOUSEHOLD (per month)

Leading non-sports channels
TNT: 91 cents
Disney Channel: 83 cents
USA Network: 51 cents
CNN: 46 cents
TBS: 44 cents
Nickelodeon: 43 cents
FX: 36 cents

Leading sports channels
ESPN: $3.26
Fox Sports Net: $1.92
NFL Network: 80 cents
Fox College Sports: 63 cents
NHL Network: 51 cents
ESPN2: 46 cents
NBA TV: 36 cents

Keep in mind that this is an average. As Jones says, for mass distribution with the big companies, the NFL would likely make a deal with the cables for 60 or 65 cents per subscriber per month. One compromise offered by Time Warner but turned down by the NFL was to have the company make the eight games available on pay-per-view, with the NFL setting the pay-per-view price per game and collecting all revenue.

I expressed my disbelief to one cable analyst that cable companies viewed the value of the NFL Network almost double that of CNN, which has to be a staple of every cable system in the United States, with instantaneous coverage of wars and disasters worldwide. "You've got to understand one thing about sports and cable TV,'' the analyst said. "Sports rights fees are the one thing in the business that keep spiraling up and up, while the cost of a lot of these other channels, even the ones that seem so important, are remaining relatively flat.''

It still seems insane to me. Even the NHL Network -- and I don't even know what that is -- costs cable companies, on average, five cents more than CNN. NBA TV (36 cents per subscriber per month) is nine cents more than CNBC.

I have DirecTV, and, of course, the satellite carries the Network. But I don't watch the Network much, because I don't have time to watch much NFL programming other than games. Certainly I'll watch the games when they come on, beginning Thursday night. I heard Jim Nantz say on WFAN recently he doesn't have it in his Connecticut home, and my friend at ESPN.com, Len Pasquarelli, told me he doesn't watch it either.

I have nothing against it, and I'm sure I'm missing things by not watching the regular programming. But there's a sea of NFL programming on ESPN and Fox and everywhere else, and you could go blind watching it all. The NFL Network, it seems to me, would have a better case if it had more live events than eight games, the week at the NFL Scouting Combine and draft coverage.

You make the call. Who's to blame for you not having your games, cable America?
 

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Jack,

Have someone set up a web cam feed (I hear web cams can be used for other things besides porn) on here for the Thursday night game........And screw copy right from the NFL

:00hour
 

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An article from SI



Is it your inalienable right to have the NFL Network on your basic cable subscription? The NFL thinks so.


Sure they do! It's more cash for them! Since when did the NFL give a fuk about "YOU"?


This is all I know.........For decades, we watched the games for FREE on CBS and NBC and ABC. FOX came into the picture, and that was fine....still network TV.

Once "pay" networks started getting the rights, the game was on. And no......I can't see buying a network's shit for a handfull of games each year. That is asinine.

For the guys who say, "Just get Dish!", it should have never come to that. Why should a game here, and a game there, be pimped out to these guys? I highly doubt ABC, FOX, NBC, CBS, didn't have the coin to meet the price the NFL wanted to broadcast ALL of the NFL games each week!

No, they figure if they can get ad revenue, AND pick your pocket as well, why the fuk not!!!????

This is all being geared towards you paying to watch every sporting event out there. They will herd you like sheep, right into their pen.
 
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