Yes he did get sworn in. Did dam little first 6 to 9 months. Then 9/11 came and blamed everything on it. I was never against a tax cut. I was hoping for a better one. Welfare. Your idea of welfare is diffrant then mind. When somone sits on his ass and gets a check from Uncle Sam. That is dead wrong. When they work some at two jobs and pay there taxes they should get tax relief and same child credit as anyone else. You say they dont pay any taxes if they make less then 26000 a year. That is not correct. And by the way that would be over 245000 of our military your talking about with about 190000 kids 17 and younger. That is per CSpan depate in our congress. So these welfare folks in our military should get chit on. You see it's just not the private sector that has poor wages. Our military even with 6 nice rasies last 9 years are still behind. No wonder nothing left after we pay our Congressman and Sentors.
The Reelection of Bush,No Problem!!
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Bush is no friend to Republicans or Conservatives. His policies at times seem to be the result of throwing at a dart board. He won't stand up to Mexico as they continue to decimate our economy at the behest of Vincente Fox and the quiet consent of Bush. In fact, heard Powell talking about the Mexico - U.S. problem the other day and he almost sounded apologetic. I don't know of any Dems that are any better, in fact, most would no doubt be worse - but I don't like the direction we are headed and don't think Bush is an effective leader. I think we are in a very bad spot and pray that somebody will step forward to make sense of all this. I am not too optimisitic about it. The parties are, for the most part, self-serving, greedy bastards out to line their own pockets at the expense of the taxpayer. The majority of them don't really give a damn' about your OR me unless they need us to help them get elected - their license to steal. California is in the worst shape I have ever seen. It is sickening to confront this daily and I feel sad for my grandkids. We are heading closer to socialism every day and I don't think that it has really worked well anywhere. Parts yes - overall no. Hate to be so negative - but that is what it looks like from here.
Fedville stay a independent as I am. We are the silent majority. We can keep the right and left in check. You are correct we here the most from them when they need our vote. Yes let them come and kiss our ass for that vote. It's much better then following some party line BS. We still have folks in this country that don't give a chit what there canadates stand for. They just been pulling one lever all there lifes becasue that is what the family has always done. I have hung around with a couple like part of my life. I keep telling them they need to get a life. They need to ask questions. It was just so sad here a while back. People getting on others because they were asking the tough questions, Like why Iraq? Shoo were told don't question Wash DC. Bull Chit you want my vote again. Tell the truth.
Just as Bush is starting to do some stuff right people jump on him! I like the prescription benefit to old folks on Medicare. That is something they need in my opinion. I gotta say I still don't like his international politics or agree with his economy stimulus package but if he can push that medicare benefit thru it would be a step in the right direction.
Yes he did get sworn in. Did dam little first 6 to 9 months. Then 9/11 came and blamed everything on it.
So this is why the Dow went down? Sweet!! Good Answer.
I was never against a tax cut. I was hoping for a better one. Welfare. Your idea of welfare is diffrant then mind. When somone sits on his ass and gets a check from Uncle Sam. That is dead wrong.
And just when I thought we would never see Eye to eye you surprise me.
When they work some at two jobs and pay there taxes they should get tax relief and same child credit as anyone else. You say they dont pay any taxes if they make less then 26000 a year. That is not correct.
Please explain what you mean here. I assume you are talking about withholdings from a paycheck.
So you feel like you pay taxes, and when they file they get a check back. How is that paying taxes?
And by the way that would be over 245000 of our military your talking about with about 190000 kids 17 and younger. That is per CSpan depate in our congress. So these welfare folks in our military should get chit on. You see it's just not the private sector that has poor wages. Our military even with 6 nice rasies last 9 years are still behind. No wonder nothing left after we pay our Congressman and Sentors.
And I'm sorry this makes no sense to me, Welfare folks in the military? I agree those military guys and gals should make more, but people are people. Even folks in the military make bad decisions that could effect their own children.
I think I have a solution for you. Let's use a 100% tax system and the government will tell us where to live and where we can pick up our food packets for the week.
Socialism doesn?t work.
So this is why the Dow went down? Sweet!! Good Answer.
I was never against a tax cut. I was hoping for a better one. Welfare. Your idea of welfare is diffrant then mind. When somone sits on his ass and gets a check from Uncle Sam. That is dead wrong.
And just when I thought we would never see Eye to eye you surprise me.
When they work some at two jobs and pay there taxes they should get tax relief and same child credit as anyone else. You say they dont pay any taxes if they make less then 26000 a year. That is not correct.
Please explain what you mean here. I assume you are talking about withholdings from a paycheck.
So you feel like you pay taxes, and when they file they get a check back. How is that paying taxes?
And by the way that would be over 245000 of our military your talking about with about 190000 kids 17 and younger. That is per CSpan depate in our congress. So these welfare folks in our military should get chit on. You see it's just not the private sector that has poor wages. Our military even with 6 nice rasies last 9 years are still behind. No wonder nothing left after we pay our Congressman and Sentors.
And I'm sorry this makes no sense to me, Welfare folks in the military? I agree those military guys and gals should make more, but people are people. Even folks in the military make bad decisions that could effect their own children.
I think I have a solution for you. Let's use a 100% tax system and the government will tell us where to live and where we can pick up our food packets for the week.
Socialism doesn?t work.
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Why are you for a program that gives about 20 cents back to people on the dollar that they put in? Is that a good investment do you think? Well thats the kind of efficiency at which your government works.....
Allow people to save that dollar and most can get a greater than (-400%) return on their investment for the future
Dr. Freeze, I expect the people who fought wars for this country, who came home from the war and worked their whole lives, to be able to afford medical coverage. Medication is very expensive and these people, former working people, in many cases cannot afford the drugs they are prescribed. I would like to see that happen by spreading around the cost of these drugs so the elderly, who made this country what it is, can afford the health care they need.
Turf what im saying is. Why not give the folks in the military who get payed so little the child care tax break. Not there fault they fall in the 26000 under catagory. You think they dont pay taxes. Chit the well to do have with holding taxes. Then have there tax lawyers see they get it all back. Why do we give them it back if it's not ok for the 26000 under crowd. I bet everyone of those folks in the 26000 crowd pay taxes just like you and I do.
We need a new system to end all ths BS. National Sales Tax is not a bad idea. Im sure there better ones. Then we could cut cost. Would need a small crew instead of 88000 that work for the IRS.
6.1 unemployment tells me what ever Bush has tryed including are fight with Iraq. Has done nothing. I hopping he can at least put some people back to work. Do you know what extending these folks unemployment checks cost you and I every month.
Kiss part of the tax break away just for that.
I have no idea what his plan is. He seems to have a new one per month. Like the tax break he knows it sucks. He wanted more. His own party that is in controll of both houses. They gave him half a handfull and he took it. Then tryed to play it as a good deal.
Like Iraq WMD just sitting around ready to be used against us.
Like N Korea. Lets not talk to them they wil go away. Now its were talking. Tomorrow is anyones guess. Health care anything new. Nope a drug program for the oldies that won't cover 20% of them. Again Bush has his own plan. But his party is in control of both house is coming up with some other BS. He will sign it and tell us how good it is. What he should do. Is say im singing this BS and I dont like it. It's a start now congress go back and make it the way I want it. Same thing he should have did with the tax
law. Thats leader ship.
We need a new system to end all ths BS. National Sales Tax is not a bad idea. Im sure there better ones. Then we could cut cost. Would need a small crew instead of 88000 that work for the IRS.
6.1 unemployment tells me what ever Bush has tryed including are fight with Iraq. Has done nothing. I hopping he can at least put some people back to work. Do you know what extending these folks unemployment checks cost you and I every month.
Kiss part of the tax break away just for that.
I have no idea what his plan is. He seems to have a new one per month. Like the tax break he knows it sucks. He wanted more. His own party that is in controll of both houses. They gave him half a handfull and he took it. Then tryed to play it as a good deal.
Like Iraq WMD just sitting around ready to be used against us.
Like N Korea. Lets not talk to them they wil go away. Now its were talking. Tomorrow is anyones guess. Health care anything new. Nope a drug program for the oldies that won't cover 20% of them. Again Bush has his own plan. But his party is in control of both house is coming up with some other BS. He will sign it and tell us how good it is. What he should do. Is say im singing this BS and I dont like it. It's a start now congress go back and make it the way I want it. Same thing he should have did with the tax
law. Thats leader ship.
what else should the government provide? A maid to clean the house? People to wipe their ass? What else?
There currently is NO ONE who can't afford their med's....NO ONE!!!
If they can't, they currently get them free already....
If the government pays for them now....pharm companies who are already giving them away for free....get money out of taxpayers pockets....with a whole lot more of red tape involved....
GREAT IDEA!!!
There currently is NO ONE who can't afford their med's....NO ONE!!!
If they can't, they currently get them free already....
If the government pays for them now....pharm companies who are already giving them away for free....get money out of taxpayers pockets....with a whole lot more of red tape involved....
GREAT IDEA!!!
I hate to disagree doctor but my father is a veteran of WWII, the big one, and he doesn't get anything for free. He pays for his and my mothers meds. The price of which just went up. He also pays for medical coverage, the price of that just went up too.
Maybe this stuff is availible for free, I dunno. I know he doesn't accept handouts and was never on welfare and takes care of his own. The way he brought me up.
I kind of resent the way you lump all working people into the same catagory as getting things free. I never got anything free in my life and I would bet the majority of people here never did either. But am willing to bet a team of tax lawyers saw that my rich bosses thru the years got plenty for free!
Maybe this stuff is availible for free, I dunno. I know he doesn't accept handouts and was never on welfare and takes care of his own. The way he brought me up.
I kind of resent the way you lump all working people into the same catagory as getting things free. I never got anything free in my life and I would bet the majority of people here never did either. But am willing to bet a team of tax lawyers saw that my rich bosses thru the years got plenty for free!
well that is his case and is admirable....but it is available to him...medicare and SS checks he should be getting plus veterans benefits
so you want more $$ available for him that he won't accept?
and as for working people...they will have much more $$ for their own health care if allowed to save their own $$ instead of raising taxes in order to pay for more programs...
don't see what you resent about that
as far as the tax code I agree it should be scraped entirely and replaced with a fair flat tax where everyone is treated with the same rate....but that will never be the day because we have too many idiots going to the polls and voting for people who will give them a tax credit or spending programs instead
so you want more $$ available for him that he won't accept?
and as for working people...they will have much more $$ for their own health care if allowed to save their own $$ instead of raising taxes in order to pay for more programs...
don't see what you resent about that
as far as the tax code I agree it should be scraped entirely and replaced with a fair flat tax where everyone is treated with the same rate....but that will never be the day because we have too many idiots going to the polls and voting for people who will give them a tax credit or spending programs instead
Dr. he gets SS checks, his only pension by the way. Worked for a company that didn't have pensions. In those days it wasn't as common as it is today. Also has Medicare but he still has to pay for health insurance and meds. He is no different than many of his generation. My point being that not everybody is looking for something for free. Times change, inflation comes. The buying power of the dollar he earned and saved in the 1950's is worth no where near what it was then. So these elderly folks didn't do anything wrong or squander their money, they raised their kids, sent them to Vietnam, sent them to school, and lived their lives with dignity. Whats wrong with helping out with the meds?
We could argue about this untill....whenever, but the fact remains if I'm able to keep more of the money I make, Invest it the way I want to, spend it the way I want to, and save it like I want to...I'M NOT STEALING FROM THE POOR!
I'M NOT STEALING FROM THE POOR! So there!
If you want more and more programs(that wast money like it's water)for people "who can't help themselves", then you like big goverment.
You feel that "the people" cannot look after themselves.
That system failed in the USSR.
I work hard because millions of people depend on me.
I'M NOT STEALING FROM THE POOR! So there!
If you want more and more programs(that wast money like it's water)for people "who can't help themselves", then you like big goverment.
You feel that "the people" cannot look after themselves.
That system failed in the USSR.
I work hard because millions of people depend on me.
i'm not for a national health care program, i think it will cause a tremendous burden to the medical profession, & cause our taxes to skyrocket. but i heard somewhere that our gov't. spends $ millions upon $ millions on health care for illegal alliens. now, imo, if our gov't. can spend this type of money on people who haven't contributed anything to the betterment of our country, then they should offer some assistance to people like stevie's parents, who gave towards making our country better. there are millions of seniors in this country who cannot afford some parts of health care. so if we have to decide who gets the care, i think that we should ship these illegals back to where they came from.
ferdville,
i completely agree with you about the border situation. both of our borders are so porous, that i think the best solution is to put our military reserves on border patrol.
but have no fear, arnold will set calif. in the right direction (lol).
we will never find the perfect politician, we just have to weigh the pluses & minuses of each pol. & then decide. sure bush has his faults, but since the war on terrorism is my main concdern, not sure that anybody can do a better job,imo.
ferdville,
i completely agree with you about the border situation. both of our borders are so porous, that i think the best solution is to put our military reserves on border patrol.
but have no fear, arnold will set calif. in the right direction (lol).
we will never find the perfect politician, we just have to weigh the pluses & minuses of each pol. & then decide. sure bush has his faults, but since the war on terrorism is my main concdern, not sure that anybody can do a better job,imo.
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AR, I am not quite sure exactly what he has done as far as this War On Terrorism is concerned. He blew up a couple of countries that is true. But the main culprits are still from countries he hasn't done anything about. The Road Map to Peace is a sad joke. Like all the other peace programs over there thru the years. Another explosion yet today. He once commented that he wasn't going to get bogged down over there like those before him had. Looks like he should of followed his own advice.
And yes I agree we should tighten up the borders too.
And yes I agree we should tighten up the borders too.
agreed....road map to peace is a HUGE joke...
no road map until Israel is allowed to root up every Hamas and terror group and eliminate them....these peopel do not want peace, and will continue to terrorize and recruit until the end of time....
every peace treaty isn't worth 2 cents until that happens
a health care plan would bring down the quality of health care to the quality of every other government service...it would also bankrupt the country further...
time for a little self-reliance to be restored which made this country what it is or was.....didn't see the pioneers beg the government for free handouts as they made their way westward
no road map until Israel is allowed to root up every Hamas and terror group and eliminate them....these peopel do not want peace, and will continue to terrorize and recruit until the end of time....
every peace treaty isn't worth 2 cents until that happens
a health care plan would bring down the quality of health care to the quality of every other government service...it would also bankrupt the country further...
time for a little self-reliance to be restored which made this country what it is or was.....didn't see the pioneers beg the government for free handouts as they made their way westward
I do not undestand why those in the republican party sit here an complain. Bush republican. Both houses republican. Should be able to get what ever you want. But Bush gets suckered by his own. He needs to step it up.
And please stop with the take from me and give to the poor chit.
We can always reverse that. Stop the rich from stealing from all of the poor to stay rich. Both make no sence.
By the way Vet's funds are being cut in the last Bush budget. So now we can get off the Vet's ass. But Bush will show up for any pitcure with any Vet he can find.
Flat Tax, Sales Tax either one is better then what we have.
And I agree Doc everyone has to stop voteing for the same duds we have in both houses.
Yes many Seniors have to go dam near broke paying for meds. There not free. Im not sure who said that. But I would like to know where meds are now free.
And please stop with the take from me and give to the poor chit.
We can always reverse that. Stop the rich from stealing from all of the poor to stay rich. Both make no sence.
By the way Vet's funds are being cut in the last Bush budget. So now we can get off the Vet's ass. But Bush will show up for any pitcure with any Vet he can find.
Flat Tax, Sales Tax either one is better then what we have.
And I agree Doc everyone has to stop voteing for the same duds we have in both houses.
Yes many Seniors have to go dam near broke paying for meds. There not free. Im not sure who said that. But I would like to know where meds are now free.
i can tell you DJV that there are lots of conservatives that are sick of the GOP right now....Bush and all the rest of them
last Senate tax bill passed 98-2 and gives people who don't make ANY money a tax credit.....gives them a check for sitting at home on their ass....think the 2 senators who opposed it are from Okie....
getting to be pretty much 75% the same bunch in there..
last Senate tax bill passed 98-2 and gives people who don't make ANY money a tax credit.....gives them a check for sitting at home on their ass....think the 2 senators who opposed it are from Okie....
getting to be pretty much 75% the same bunch in there..
