The Truth About Who Pays The Most Taxes - IRS Statistics....

[saint]

And who is it that really benefits from public services like law enforcement, road construction, etc.? Again, if you didn't know, it's the rich. For example, how long would a rich person keep their wealth without the police protecting them?

That is quite possibly the most asinine statement I have ever read. How can you possibly make such an ignorant statement? So your telling me that out of all the benefits to society a police force provides, protecting rich people from the plundering of those less fortunate is their priority! LMFAO! :lol: You can't be serious. Probably 90% of police time is spent dealing with the people who pay no tax and are living in underpriviledged areas.


And I might be wrong, but do you work Nick? I was under the assumption you were a "professional" handicapper. Now THAT is quite a contribution to the american people. Oh, wait a minute, I figured it out. Your gambling dollars keep casino workers in their jobs, and those casino workers allow the casino to stay open, and the casino being open allows the poor to bring their fat asses in with their welfare and put it in the machines, which then goes to the rich casino workers, and then back into the tax pool to go back to the poor to keep gambling while their kids can't eat. Makes PERFECT sense

 

[acehistr8]

Great article here by Neil Cavuto, formerly of CNBC now on FoxNews

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Isn't It Rich, Being Rich?
Tuesday, October 14, 2003
By Neil Cavuto

On Monday, Joe Lieberman (search) unveiled a plan to make the rich pay "their fair share" in taxes. He leads a platoon of Democrats who want to roll back tax cuts for the wealthy.

Believe me, the well-to-do need no lobby. But they do need a fair shake.

I think politicians need to wake up to the people who are paying up. I mean, when is giving 35 percent of your income to the government not doing enough?

When is a group's forking over more in taxes than all other groups combined not helping enough?

What politician can honestly look at the top one percent in this country, paying more than a third of the taxes in this country, and say they are not being taxed enough? I'll tell you what politicians: the clueless and ungrateful ones!

It's easy to forget the rich pay the more in taxes as a group after the president's tax cut, than before.

It's easy to forget that the rich hire more people, buy more things and do more things.

It's easy to forget the rich pay more social security taxes, state taxes, city taxes, municipality taxes, real estate taxes -- more taxes than any one else in this country -- put together in this country. And so they should. They earn more, so they pay more.

I'm OK with that. But, here's what I'm not OK with: Politicians who have the nerve to say, you're not paying your share.

Take a look at the tax tables, you ingrates. Read the charts, you trough-feeding, social-program pushing pimps. The very boondoggles you hold dear are funded by the so-called ingrates you sneer.

Rich people aren't evil people. I've known just as many poor schmucks, as I have wealthy ones. Character has no salaried pedigree.

So get over the name game and get to the real blame: yourselves -- the ones who want to make government bigger.

Wealthy people aren't the problem. Most weren't born with it. They created it. While you were busy railing, they were busy building. And now they're the ones paying.

So, let me be clear: They're the people paying up. So first, why don't you shut up.

If you haven't the simple decency to say "thank you," then for once in your smarmy, disingenuous, photo-opportunity lives, refrain from saying "screw you."

 

[Nick Douglas]

Wow, what a bunch of pathetic responses.

saint, I do not gamble for a living. I never have claimed to and, quite frankly, I can't imagine that I ever will.

ace, you have been snowed under. You complain about paying an allegedly large percentage of your earned income in taxes, yet which party endorses the type of tax cuts for the extremely wealthy (elimination of inheritance tax, elimination of capital gains tax, etc) that would put even LESS of a tax burden on the extremely wealthy and even more of a tax burden on you? The Republican Party, that's who.

Dr. Freeze, as always, gives the most rediculous response of all. First of all, you DON'T WORK 90 HOURS A WEEK. Stop lying. Secondly, apparently your definition of "pro-success" is actually "selfish as hell".

I'd love to see all the Republicans on this thread and in this country stop being such pussies and just pay their share of income taxes. You love to talk a big game about how much you love your country but when it comes time to actually PAY UP to your country, you all get a case of alligator arms.

You losers claim that the poor should have no excuses and should work their asses off, but look in the mirror. YOU ARE MAKING EXCUSES BY BLAMING HIGH TAXES FOR YOUR RELATIVE LACK OF WEALTH. If you want poor people to stop making excuses, then start your quest for an excuse-fee world by doing like MILLIONS OF OTHER AMERICANS HAVE DONE and making yourself wealthy in the current tax climate.

Of course there are still no responses to the FACT that the top 1% of taxpayers in this country pay only 27.5% of their earned income in taxes on average. You guys seem to let that one slip your minds when regurgitating Republican propaganda, doncha?

 

[ctownguy]

The reply by nick and some of his fellow libs is right out of the liberal handbook used for the last 60 years to create class envy to keep their sheep in line.

Typical false info and setting up the rich as the bad guys in this country. It's scary how many people keep voting for these idiots thinking they are helping themselves.

UNBELIEVABLE STUPIDITY:shrug:

 

[acehistr8]

I'd love to see all the Republicans on this thread and in this country stop being such pussies and just pay their share of income taxes.

Unbelievably moronic statement, again, Nick. We will pay $73,900 in federal income tax this year. Since you by your own admission are the only sane one here, what is our fair share? 40% of our income? 50%? 75%? Your response made me more sick than I already was in this thread. Snowed under my ass, better than being blinded by the lefties.

Was it necessary to call everyone losers? And who are the losers you math challenged jackass communist? For the sake of your pinko argument, say a guy making 1 million a year pays 25% of his income in taxes. $250,000 out of his pocket isnt good enough for you? As Cavuto pointed out in his article, if it wasnt for all the rich people you are trying to make out as bad guys, who would fund all the filthy entitlement programs the left wants to prop up the rest of the country?

 

[Nick Douglas]

No, $250,000 a year isn't enough if the amount required to keep my beloved country running smoothly is $380,000 per million dollar earner.

 

[Nick Douglas]

I finally read the second paragraph of saint's reply. You are right that 90% of the police's time is spent dealing with poor or middle class people. That is how you protect the rich. Again, I'd love for a straight and honest answer from a republican to this question:

If you removed the police, military and other public services, who would have more to lose: the rich or the poor?

Once you HONESTLY answer that question then you'll see what your tax dollars are protecting and whom they are helping. I have a strong ambition to be wealthy one day myself but I don't have the ambition to be selfish when it comes time for me to pay for the services my beloved country provides. You won't hear me being petty about having to pay a lot of money in taxes.

 

[acehistr8]

If you removed the police, military and other public services, who would have more to lose: the rich or the poor?

Another typical lefty ploy is to blame it on the people who have the most. Rich people must have it all and poor people must have nothing. Who has the most to lose, isnt that a trick question - more importantly isnt it all relative? How are you measuring this, by dollar figures? Then of course people with more dollars will have more to lose. But what if a Ferarri to a rich guy means nothing but a broken down beater is a lifeline to a poor family? Then the poor people have more to lose. But what about people who live in gated communities with home security systems on top of it? Would they be at risk of crime or home breakins more if there were no police, or would it be people in the projects where crime is rampant already? Would all the rich people with their Ferarris be at risk if their cars were in gated, underground garages, or the poor people living in the projects, since they dont have cars or leave them on the streets. Do you think if there was no police suddenly poor people would just have access to big vaults full of rich peoples gold - like on Richie Rich?

If you removed public services, the poor would absolutely lose. No public health clinics, no public attorneys when they have to go to court, no free food at food kitchens etc.

 

[ORIENTAL EXPRES]

fck this sh$+,i going to sell my businese and apply for welfare.the more i read the more depressing i get.sometime it better not to remind us how much tax we're pay.u guys know how f ck up my day.:thefinger

 

[dawgball]

I don't understand your argument here, Nick.

I certainly hope you don't think that the Estate Tax is fair. The money has already been taxed. Why should it be taxed again? Someone earned that money to support them and their family, but when they die the country deserves it more than their family. If you don't have experience with this tax, you may not fully understand it, but it is very unfair to those descendants. I know most libs will scream that they really feel sorry for those people who were supposed to inherit it, but you should. Their family member earned that money, and they should be entitled to it.

I expect to be in the top 1% at some time in the next 5-7 years, and I will pay my taxes accordingly to the law. I understand that some of my God-given abilities will allow me to achieve better financially than others, but I don't think that continuing to tax the people that butter our bread is the right answer. Simply, I don't think it is fair.

Beyond the Estate Tax, I think our tax system is relatively fair for all. I would like to see less tax credits for women/families on welfare that conitinue to add tax credit after tax credit (children) that they can't afford, but that's just because I see those people who abuse the system ruining it for everyone else. Will that ever stop? I highly doubt it, but I like to bitch about things, too, from time to time.

I feel that the top 1% should harbor most of the tax burden in this country, but I don't think they should burden it all. In my opinion, it sounds like you think that the poor have no responsibility to better their lives because if they need more money, we can always up the % paid by the ultra-rich. I can't believe you think that is a fair solution.

 

[saint]

Another typical lefty ploy is to blame it on the people who have the most. Rich people must have it all and poor people must have nothing. Who has the most to lose, isnt that a trick question - more importantly isnt it all relative? How are you measuring this, by dollar figures? Then of course people with more dollars will have more to lose. But what if a Ferarri to a rich guy means nothing but a broken down beater is a lifeline to a poor family? Then the poor people have more to lose. But what about people who live in gated communities with home security systems on top of it? Would they be at risk of crime or home breakins more if there were no police, or would it be people in the projects where crime is rampant already? Would all the rich people with their Ferarris be at risk if their cars were in gated, underground garages, or the poor people living in the projects, since they dont have cars or leave them on the streets. Do you think if there was no police suddenly poor people would just have access to big vaults full of rich peoples gold - like on Richie Rich?

If you removed public services, the poor would absolutely lose. No public health clinics, no public attorneys when they have to go to court, no free food at food kitchens etc.

Couldn't have said it any better ace

 

[acehistr8]

The marriage penalty is highly unfair to families in this country and I think the repeal should be made permanent.

I also feel the tax credits for children are fair, to a point and do help poor families. But to a point. Bottom line that I dont think anyone would argue is some families DO have way more children then they can financially afford, then expect people to support them.

 

[dawgball]

Nick, your argument about no police is exactly what is wrong with countries such as Iraq. If there was no government police, the ultra-rich would have their hired guns to take whatever they wanted from the poor. Maybe one day or a month without police would be beneficial to the thugs, but a country like that is destined to be divided between the have-everythings and the have-nothings.

In that case, we would never have a chance to aspire to be in the 1% like we both do.

Another point I would like to make after reading your post: If you make it to that 1%, will you be as bad of a person as the Democrats like to paint them? I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume no. Being rich doesn't make you bad, but I think that is the sentiment that is portrayed many times.

 

[acehistr8]

Being rich doesn't make you bad, but I think that is the sentiment that is portrayed many times.

Many times, including throughout Nicks posts. Rich people are just tax evading pieces of shit. But of course when he gets there, he will be the first exception to the rule in the history of capitalism. Rich people are all bad bad people.

I like this quote: "Rich people aren't evil people. I've known just as many poor schmucks, as I have wealthy ones. Character has no salaried pedigree."

 

[worm44]

I have made reference in the past that I own a company myself-In 2000 I had 14 employees-2002 I had 31-today I have 55....without telling you kind of business I am in-I have no employee that is part time-all are full time-the LEAST a employee of mine makes is $23,000 (receptionist)-the most is two gentlemen will probably hit $100,0000...anyway I could quote statistics and give you tables and show how much my business has grown etc...the fact remains is that because of taxes alone (mind you I live in NY-the worst taxed state for corporations)-I was WAY better of when I only had 14 employees. There are many reasons for this-none have to do with actual income-they all are tax issues.

I only have 3x as many employees now than then -but my income is about 8X as much-doesnt matter here, it is such a tax hassle it has cost me more $ to protect the $ I have and my employees for that matter, that I might move my company to Myrtle Beach, SC.....I could be more specific and go on for ever but the fact remains that I have put together a company made careers for many people and I am penalized for it. Thats how I feel-NY is joke..I do not care if its that Federal taxes, state taxes,SS tax its becomes a burden to grow your company-if I had it all to do over I would have never expanded-NEVER..oh by the way dont get me started on health care--ALL my employees get 95 % of ther health plan paid by me and you can here the $ sucked out of my pockets

 

[JT]

This is one terrific thread.
First of all you foaming at the mouth, it isn't just welfare, entitlements that the taxs go for. In case you didn't realize it, tax revenues goes to the military too and infastructure (Which we really badly need to improve).
Dr. Freeze, am I to guess you think Donald Trump should pay the same as some poor soul who only makes $25,000 or so a year? My god, what a f*cking idiot you are.
The rich's percentage is lower. Fair is everyone paying the same percentage. Oh my, I MOST BE A COMMIE BECAUSE I BELIEVE THIS. LOCK THE DOORS!!!! Besides, has the capitol gains tax not been lowered in recent years which benefits the wealthy?
As for medical insurance, allow everyone, private citizens, small business, etc. to write off 100% of what they pay to ease the burden of spiraling insurance costs. I mean we will never regulate that industry because it might cause some here to go hiding under the beds if we used that dirty word "regulation."
Abolish the income tax. Have a fair flat sales tax. Of course this would be equal (unless you are Dr. Freeze Brain). Gee the rich have more money and will spend more thus they will still end up paying more unless they choose not to spend. Freedom of choice there.
Agree, marriage penalties is silly and someone should not be rewarded if they have 9 children.
Agree with Dawgball about the Estate tax. Once is enough.

 

[dawgball]

JT -- I don't know the exact numbers, but if everyone paid the same % of taxes, I think the middle class would be devestated. Like I said, I'm no mathematician, but if 1% is currently paying the huge portion that they are now, how would we spread that across all income levels? Once again, these are real questions because I don't know the answers.

It just doesn't seem logical that a flat tax would work because of the substantial amount that the higher end people pay.

 

[JT]

Good point Dawgball. I am not an expert either by any means. Still, I think the middle class and/or small business owners would benefit greatly from being allowed to write off 100% medical insurance payments.

 

[dr. freeze]

Dr. Freeze, as always, gives the most rediculous response of all. First of all, you DON'T WORK 90 HOURS A WEEK. Stop lying. Secondly, apparently your definition of "pro-success" is actually "selfish as hell".

Okay MR ELITISM....

I work call every 4th night and put in 12-14 hour days starting at 0500 ending at 1700-1900 other than that....hmmmm well, 2 nights of call adds up to about 48 hours...take 4 more days of the week and you have another 42 easily...that looks like about 90 Einstein....but since you are all knowing, I will have to approach it from the liberal, elitist Utopian point of view

AND I PAY TO DO THIS

MEANWHILE YOUR WELFARE DUDE SITS AT HOME AND EATS POTATO CHIPS WITH A LITTLE WEED ON THE SIDE AND I AM SUPPOSED TO PAY HIM TO DO THAT????

Get a clue and show a little compassion and cut the umbilical cord from these babies....let them work a little and maybe live a life!!! Instead you handicap them and rock the cradle until the grave comes prematurely in the welfare class. That is ciminal and SELFISH!!!

Give the guy some incentive to be productive by not crippling success and you show true compassion!!!

The NERVE of you Liberals to think you can go up to anyone, knock on their house, and ask them to pay more and more $$ out of their hard earned $$ and give it to them. Its an OUTRAGE!!!!

 

[dr. freeze]

This is one terrific thread.
First of all you foaming at the mouth, it isn't just welfare, entitlements that the taxs go for. In case you didn't realize it, tax revenues goes to the military too and infastructure (Which we really badly need to improve).
Dr. Freeze, am I to guess you think Donald Trump should pay the same as some poor soul who only makes $25,000 or so a year? My god, what a f*cking idiot you are.
The rich's percentage is lower. Fair is everyone paying the same percentage. Oh my, I MOST BE A COMMIE BECAUSE I BELIEVE THIS. LOCK THE DOORS!!!! Besides, has the capitol gains tax not been lowered in recent years which benefits the wealthy?
As for medical insurance, allow everyone, private citizens, small business, etc. to write off 100% of what they pay to ease the burden of spiraling insurance costs. I mean we will never regulate that industry because it might cause some here to go hiding under the beds if we used that dirty word "regulation."
Abolish the income tax. Have a fair flat sales tax. Of course this would be equal (unless you are Dr. Freeze Brain). Gee the rich have more money and will spend more thus they will still end up paying more unless they choose not to spend. Freedom of choice there.
Agree, marriage penalties is silly and someone should not be rewarded if they have 9 children.
Agree with Dawgball about the Estate tax. Once is enough.

uhhh genius, i didn't say what we should do....i said what would be fair.....