this is enough

[Jalen45]

i dont care who you are and who you bet on but this officiating is unreal.

mcdyess was hacked on one end, no call. they come down and manu gets a bump and he is shooting free throws

bullshit.

 

[vinnie]

:hitwithro

 

[TouchdownJesus]

Officiating is just horrible lately in all sports. Honestly, I don't know what to think. Conspiracy theories? Harder to referee games now? Crappy officials?
Just one more thing in sports and entertainment that is frustrating the last decade or so.
Some games I watch and there should be a foul or penalty on every single play. Why? Because everyone is cheating.
Players seem to have the mentality that "they won't call everything, lets see what I can get away with". They push off, hold, grab, etc.
So what does happen? If refs call everything, it becomes a terrible game. If they only call some things, it becomes an unfair game.

Also, lately, it just seems like every team that wins is getting calls. The Pistons look great when they bump and hold and nothing is called. They look like crap when the other team is living from the foul line and they aren't allowed to be so aggressive.

Whats the solution? I honestly don't know. Maybe we can raise the players' salaries.

I love sports. But I hate the players, I hate the owners, I hate the refs.

Sorry for another rant. Sometimes I wonder how much longer I will watch pro sports and maybe even college for that matter. Maybe I'll just keep up with the Ivy League and Military schools that play with class.

 

[The Judge]

I am relatively sure that the officating tonight was absolutely not a factor in the outcome of the game. Jalen, while I sympathize with your frustration over your Pistons' poor offensive effort, I can not not buy into the standard conspiracy philosophy that is so predictably prevalent when a fan's team is out classed.

Detroit's Billups and Hamilton did next to nothing offensively for the first three quarters, and on defense they were helpless to stop the precision of Parker and Ginobili. When McDyess is coming off the bench and is your leading scorer with a mere 15 points, it seems that Detroit has bigger problems that the officating.

I have no agenda as it relates to who wins this series but I hope that your team can show up when they play at Auburn Hills.

 

[maverick2112]

I am relatively sure that the officating tonight was absolutely not a factor in the outcome of the game. Jalen, while I sympathize with your frustration over your Pistons' poor offensive effort, I can not not buy into the standard conspiracy philosophy that is so predictably prevalent when a fan's team is out classed.

Detroit's Billups and Hamilton did next to nothing offensively for the first three quarters, and on defense they were helpless to stop the precision of Parker and Ginobili. When McDyess is coming off the bench and is your leading scorer with a mere 15 points, it seems that Detroit has bigger problems that the officating.

I have no agenda as it relates to who wins this series but I hope that your team can show up when they play at Auburn Hills.

I really think the reason Hamilton and Billips didnt score a lot in the opening half is because they went into the game really trying to get Wallace,Rasheed and Prince into the game early......I have watched Billips play a lot through the yrs and he and Rip passed on a lot of open looks early on........Just my opinion.........Facts are Spurs are a damn good team at home.

 

[Weemz]

It's not the calls that are beating the Pistons. The Pistons are getting out hustled. They did the same thing to the Lakers last year. At this point in the series the Spurs are the better team. The refs have blown a lot of calls but the Pistons have missed a ton of shots. They need to stop reacting to every call. Can the Pistons win 4 of the next 5?

 

[ocelot]

Officiating horrendous as it almost always is in this league and it seems to get even worse in the playoffs. Remember Doug Christie getting called for a foul with his nose getting busted couple years ago?

Anyway, I turned this piece of shit game off before halftime. What an utter disgrace Detroit was. Looks to me like they are in their can't score for shit mode that they all too often fall into.

Hamilton and Prince need to wake the F*ck up. I'm not even going to watch the rest of this series - its over.

 

[Weemz]

Over?

Over?

What? Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no! And it ain't over now. 'Cause when the going gets tough . . . the tough get going. Who's with me? Let's Go! Come on! AAAAEEEEEGGGHHHH!!

 

[Franky Wright]

What? Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no! And it ain't over now. 'Cause when the going gets tough . . . the tough get going. Who's with me? Let's Go! Come on! AAAAEEEEEGGGHHHH!!

Perfect timing Weemz on the qoute! :mj07:
You forgot to give the credit however, to the great John Belushi, rip.
Did you know he was the highest paid actor in that movie!?
Kudos to anyone who can tell me how much he earned without doing a google!
Franky
P.S. This series is not over.

 

[ocelot]

Its over for me since I'm not watching it anymore.

 

[ocelot]

I can't stand watching the Manu flopping around with his girlie hair blowing in the wind.

 

[Scott4USC]

Jalen45

You are a Pistons fan and interested in your take and anybody else who wants to chime in. You are complaining about officiating in game 2 and I somewhat sympathize with you.

Against Miami, Pistons were called for "phantom" fouls. For example Wade going for "jump" shot and no Piston player touching him and foul was called. Happened repeatedly. There have been zero phantom calls in this series as far as I can tell. Both ways.

Majority of the fouls called against Detroit the Pistons player did make contact. So are the refs wrong to call a foul if they indeed are making contact? I know in East and Eastern playoffs refs let the East play hoops that way but you have to adjust. Refs were consistent.

Lets talk about Rasheed Wallace. In game 2 he was bitching all night. Now after against I think Ginoble attacking hoop Rasheed screamed and laid on the floor in disgust. I went back and replayed it (ABC did as well) and it was quite clear Rasheed hit Ginobili's arm. So why the f*** is Wallace screaming? HE HIT THE DUDES ARM! On top of it, he lays down on the floor.

The biggest complainer last night was RIP Hamilton. He complained after every shot. Now if you watch the game closely, RIP almost every time he dribbles, he takes is left arm and extends it against defender. That is illegal and not allowed. He separates himself from defender using his arm. WHY THE F*** IS RIP COMPLAINING ABOUT GETTING FOULED when he uses his arm every time he dribbles to basket or laterally. I don't get it. Refs could call that a foul every time. I saw about 1-2 bad calls against RIP but I saw MANY offensive fouls RIP did that were not called.

Only Spur play who uses his arm for separation is Ginobili but he doesn't use it as blatantly as RIP. Rip uses it 20feet from basket and all time. Ginobili will only use it when he is in paint and in traffic. Anyways, RIP does it so obvious you can see from naked eye and Ginobili you often only see it in replay. RIP has no reason to complain. NONE!

Prince I thought got a raw deal on his 2nd foul. I think it was Parker to basket and Parker made the hoop. Refs should have let that go and from what I saw he barely bumped Parker. It didn't affect Parker scoring.

In game 1 I think first 6min. 1q Pistons were called for zero fouls and Spurs were called for multiple fouls. Opposite happened in game 2.

Throughout game 2 you see Pistons use arms/hands to play defense while you saw Spurs use there bodies. A good indication to why Spurs got majority of the fouls along with the game being played @SA.

Game 1 I thought was officiated fairly and game 2 was slanted to Spurs. I would not say it was very slanted. I think Pistons coming into this final series would take that.

 

[Coug LJ]

Complaining about the officials is almost always a useless and often counterproductive exercise. At this point, it has become a distraction for the Pistons. Rasheed Wallace is a case in point. Any coach worth his salt would try to discourage talk about fouls. It is invariably the cry of a losing team.

Wallace's old team, the Portland Trail Blazers were famous for their bitching about the officials. The Pistons are starting to look like those guys. There is no conspiracy. The better team is winning. The more aggressive team on the offensive end is getting to the line more.

The best advice for the Pistons is to focus on the game and not the officials. They have enough on their plate without being distracted.

 

[Sun Tzu]

Perfect timing Weemz on the qoute! :mj07:
You forgot to give the credit however, to the great John Belushi, rip.
Did you know he was the highest paid actor in that movie!?
Kudos to anyone who can tell me how much he earned without doing a google!
Franky
P.S. This series is not over.

As I recall it was something like $30k-40k.

 

[IntenseOperator]

I hope I continue to have the same side as the officials

 

[AU2001]

Excuses, excuses: That's all the Pistons have




Tony Mejia June 13, 2005
By Tony Mejia
CBS SportsLine.com Staff Writer





SAN ANTONIO -- Let's see here ....

1. Two quick touch fouls on both Tayshaun Prince and Rip Hamilton compromised the Pistons' top perimeter defenders within the game's first seven minutes.

2. What's up with Nazr Mohammed getting respect from the refs in the first quarter like he's Shaquille O'Neal?

3. There was way too much face time on the Jumbotron for that wonderfully distracting Eva Longoria.

Don't mind me -- just helping the Detroit Pistons with their laundry list of excuses for their 97-76 Game 2 loss. The Spurs took it to them from the opening tip, surging to an 11-2 start and never allowing the defending champions within five the rest of the way.

So this one is especially hard to conceive of. Hopefully, the three items mentioned above provide a start.

See, the Pistons don't get beat. When they lose, it's either the refs' fault, their tiring legs or their heads being elsewhere. They're the champs, baby. Says so right on Rasheed Wallace's wrestling belt. No one can actually enjoy the privilege of beating them.

Remember, this is a team whose emotional leader calls Manu Ginobili "all right -- nothing special." Only fitting that the Spurs guard hit his first six shots to put the game away, nailing his first four from 3-point range. Nah, nothing special about him. Detroit is the team that has Miami head coach Stan Van Gundy boycotting the Finals -- "not a chance I watch even a second on my own," -- because he suspected "Detroit will cry on every call the entire series."

Wonder if brother Jeff called and told Stan to turn on the game Sunday night, because he certainly would've recognized the spectacle.

The Pistons are going back to Auburn Hills with an 0-2 deficit in the NBA Finals after perhaps their most embarrassing performance of the past two postseasons, and it remains to be seen how their psyches will handle it.

Although you would expect two lopsided results to generate some humility, there was none in the Detroit locker room following the Game 2 loss, only the expected sour mood.

"We still feel good about our chances," Wallace said. "It was the good ol' boys against the bad boys. Now it's the bad boys' turn."

Bravado sure is hard to shake. 'Sheed walked alone as he boarded the team bus, prized championship belt still draped over his right shoulder. That luxury appears to be on borrowed time based on the results of the first two games.

The Pistons have to get their minds right, utilize their home court, forget about everything beyond their control and find a way to slow Ginobili, who has torched them for 52 points over the first two games, abusing Tayshaun Prince like no one we've ever seen.

"He's not giving us any problems," said a delusional Ben Wallace. "We're giving ourselves problems."

Of course, man. Whatever helps you sleep at night. We're fresh out of excuses, though.

 

[TouchdownJesus]

The one thing I like about the NBA this year, is that the best team is going to win it all. The Spurs have shown they are head and shoulders above everyone else in these playoffs. They are playing defense, they can run as well as play a half court offense. They can shoot. They have basketball players (Horry, Duncan, Barry) instead of just athletes and its paying off. Ginobli has been unstoppable in last 2 series (just quit flopping).

 

[IE]

When coach Larry Brown was asked if he was concerned with his team's lack of composure, he offered up what he called a simple statistic.

``We're 1-7 with one referee and 11-1 with the rest,'' Brown said Monday.

Brown declined to elaborate, but postseason box scores show Detroit is 1-7 when either Ron Garretson or Dan Crawford has officiated its games and 11-1 when neither has been on the court.

Of course, the Spurs have had a lot to do with the Pistons' problems, too.

 

[Jalen45]

WOW.

maybe you guys dont realize that 4 1st qtr fouls against one team can actually determine the outcome of the whole game. this officiating in this series so far is terrible. ill say it once, and ill say it again. its not an excuse, its a fact. yea, the spurs might have been playing better basketball, but they have been playing better basketball with detroits starters on the bench because of foul trouble. im not saying detroit never fouls, everybody commits a foul. but when theres that many fouls called in the first qtr of a finals game and 2 det starters are forced to sit down, i hope that the spurs would be able to capitalize because that would be sad if they couldnt off of arroyo, hunter, and darvin hamm.

to me, it all depends on who youre rooting for , or who you bet on. if you bet or rooting for the spurs, then you say, detroit whines and its all excuses. if you root for det or bet on them, then you say maybe the officials have something to do with it. let me say this. before we cry and whine and make any excuses, ill be fair and say lets wait to see what happens at the palace. i understand (from many previous posts) that the "home team" benefits from the refs. i think that was said by bleed dodger blue last series. i respect that comment. maybe its true. let me sit back and see what happens in games 3 and 4. i think the pistons are full of excuses right now. lets play nuetral fan here, the spurs have gotten the benefit of the refs and thats a fact. prove me different for the 1st 2 games. you cant.

for the guy who brought up stan van gundy, who gives a shit what he says? did his team win? is his team in the finals? did his team lose game 7 at home? is he "whining?" did detroit beat his team because they "whined" about officiating? is that how they won? please, that fat porn star bastard should worry about 2 best players and their injuries, not what detroit is doing in the finals.

lets see what happens in games 3 and 4 before i start "whining"

 

[TouchdownJesus]

Believe me, I know all about how little things can make a HUGE difference in games. Try watching a Duke game with casual fans. Try to explain that a call here and a no-call there and all of a sudden Duke has a comfortable lead, momentum, and can play the game totally different.

Yes, 4 fouls in the 1st can have a huge effect. But if they are fouls then they have to be called. If they are not all fouls, then its a tough way to get started and can influence the whole game.

I always hate to see one team shoot way more free throws than another, but at the same time, if one team is fouling more, then thats what should happen.

As I get older and older, I see that there are so many chances for advantages (and disadvantages) and while you can't complain about everything, a lot of "bitching" can be very relevant.