This is Why I Am Not Voting for Obama....

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BLOOMFIELD HILLS, Mich. ? Mitt Romney returned from a three-week spring break in 1965 to resume his studies as a high school senior at the prestigious Cranbrook School. Back on the handsome campus, studded with Tudor brick buildings and manicured fields, he spotted something he thought did not belong at a school where the boys wore ties and carried briefcases. John Lauber, a soft-spoken new student one year behind Romney, was perpetually teased for his nonconformity and presumed homosexuality. Now he was walking around the all-boys school with bleached-blond hair that draped over one eye, and Romney wasn?t having it.

?He can?t look like that. That?s wrong. Just look at him!? an incensed Romney told Matthew Friedemann, his close friend in the Stevens Hall dorm, according to Friedemann?s recollection. Mitt, the teenaged son of Michigan Gov. George Romney, kept complaining about Lauber?s look, Friedemann recalled.

Romney apologizes for school pranks


Philip Rucker 11:45 AM ET

Mitt Romney, responding to a Washington Post article, said he was sorry for high school pranks that ?might have gone too far.?

Why does Romney seem so stiff?


Jason Horowitz APR 17

Friends say the fun, affable man they know hasn?t appeared on the campaign trail ? perhaps because he?s trying too hard.


A few days later, Friedemann entered Stevens Hall off the school?s collegiate quad to find Romney marching out of his own room ahead of a prep school posse shouting about their plan to cut Lauber?s hair. Friedemann followed them to a nearby room where they came upon Lauber, tackled him and pinned him to the ground. As Lauber, his eyes filling with tears, screamed for help, Romney repeatedly clipped his hair with a pair of scissors.

The incident was recalled similarly by five students, who gave their accounts independently of one another. Four of them ? Friedemann, now a dentist; Phillip Maxwell, a lawyer; Thomas Buford, a retired prosecutor; and David Seed, a retired principal ? spoke on the record. Another former student who witnessed the incident asked not to be named. The men have differing political affiliations, although they mostly lean Democratic. Buford volunteered for Barack Obama?s campaign in 2008. Seed, a registered independent, has served as a Republican county chairman in Michigan. All of them said that politics in no way colored their recollections.

?It happened very quickly, and to this day it troubles me,? said Buford, the school?s wrestling champion, who said he joined Romney in restraining Lauber. Buford subsequently apologized to Lauber, who was ?terrified,? he said. ?What a senseless, stupid, idiotic thing to do.?

?It was a hack job,? recalled Maxwell, a childhood friend of Romney who was in the dorm room when the incident occurred. ?It was vicious.?

?He was just easy pickins,? said Friedemann, then the student prefect, or student authority leader of Stevens Hall, expressing remorse about his failure to stop it.

The incident transpired in a flash, and Friedemann said Romney then led his cheering schoolmates back to his bay-windowed room in Stevens Hall.

Friedemann, guilt ridden, made a point of not talking about it with his friend and waited to see what form of discipline would befall Romney at the famously strict institution. Nothing happened.

Athough these pranks were nasty, people at that age do stupid things. Neurologists say that a person's frontal cortex isn't fully developed until mid-20s -- and that is the area that deals with judgment. I think a more useful discussion is how much Romney got away with because of his parents' wealth - not getting in trouble for the pranks, dodging the draft.

Romney was well into his 30s when he slapped his dog on the car roof -- now that was nasty and stupid and showed he hadn't matured much...See More


...and his frontal cortex has remained in the same or worse condition it was in during his prep school days

Surprise, surprise, the governor's son doesn't get kicked out for assaulting another student. There is a very clear pecking order in the private schools I've known about, where the children of richer, more powerful, and more famous people get away with much more than others.

But having a famous father doesn't excuse Romney. At least Romney's buddies had the decency to apologize to their bullying victim. I would be willing to cut The Willard some slack on this if he'd done the same. As it is...See More

Surprise, surprise. The term 'assault' was not in the law books in the 60s. Not like today when 'spitting' on someone is considered 'assault'.

Many on these comments want to give Romney the benefit of the doubt when his staffer says Romney doesn't remember participating in the attack. I'm sure that everyone here remembers a lot of their high school days and would especially remember leading a gang attack on a defenseless boy, just as Romney's cohorts all did. As a psychologist, I can think of three credible scenarios whereby Romney would legitimately not remember leading the attack on the boy:

1) Romney is mentally impaired

2) Romney i...See More


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well aint that just special !
 

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Look, the news media does work, Mitt is looked at after 40+ years and people associated with bombing the Pentagon aren't.

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its all about the economy, Romney was a turnaround specialist when he was in private business...why can't he do it for the US government...after 8 years of Romney this country will be in great shape I believe. I also like the fact he is middle of the road socially and Conservative fiscally...perfect candidate with all the crying from the liberals about social issues, maybe he can meet them in the middle :shrug:

Romney is not a fiscal conservative except in self-appointed title, just like bush before him. That is the point many who arent paying attention seem to miss.
 
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BLOOMFIELD HILLS, Mich. ? Mitt Romney returned from a three-week spring break in 1965 to resume his studies as a high school senior at the prestigious Cranbrook School. Back on the handsome campus, studded with Tudor brick buildings and manicured fields, he spotted something he thought did not belong at a school where the boys wore ties and carried briefcases. John Lauber, a soft-spoken new student one year behind Romney, was perpetually teased for his nonconformity and presumed homosexuality. Now he was walking around the all-boys school with bleached-blond hair that draped over one eye, and Romney wasn?t having it.

?He can?t look like that. That?s wrong. Just look at him!? an incensed Romney told Matthew Friedemann, his close friend in the Stevens Hall dorm, according to Friedemann?s recollection. Mitt, the teenaged son of Michigan Gov. George Romney, kept complaining about Lauber?s look, Friedemann recalled.

Romney apologizes for school pranks


Philip Rucker 11:45 AM ET

Mitt Romney, responding to a Washington Post article, said he was sorry for high school pranks that ?might have gone too far.?

Why does Romney seem so stiff?


Jason Horowitz APR 17

Friends say the fun, affable man they know hasn?t appeared on the campaign trail ? perhaps because he?s trying too hard.


A few days later, Friedemann entered Stevens Hall off the school?s collegiate quad to find Romney marching out of his own room ahead of a prep school posse shouting about their plan to cut Lauber?s hair. Friedemann followed them to a nearby room where they came upon Lauber, tackled him and pinned him to the ground. As Lauber, his eyes filling with tears, screamed for help, Romney repeatedly clipped his hair with a pair of scissors.

The incident was recalled similarly by five students, who gave their accounts independently of one another. Four of them ? Friedemann, now a dentist; Phillip Maxwell, a lawyer; Thomas Buford, a retired prosecutor; and David Seed, a retired principal ? spoke on the record. Another former student who witnessed the incident asked not to be named. The men have differing political affiliations, although they mostly lean Democratic. Buford volunteered for Barack Obama?s campaign in 2008. Seed, a registered independent, has served as a Republican county chairman in Michigan. All of them said that politics in no way colored their recollections.

?It happened very quickly, and to this day it troubles me,? said Buford, the school?s wrestling champion, who said he joined Romney in restraining Lauber. Buford subsequently apologized to Lauber, who was ?terrified,? he said. ?What a senseless, stupid, idiotic thing to do.?

?It was a hack job,? recalled Maxwell, a childhood friend of Romney who was in the dorm room when the incident occurred. ?It was vicious.?

?He was just easy pickins,? said Friedemann, then the student prefect, or student authority leader of Stevens Hall, expressing remorse about his failure to stop it.

The incident transpired in a flash, and Friedemann said Romney then led his cheering schoolmates back to his bay-windowed room in Stevens Hall.

Friedemann, guilt ridden, made a point of not talking about it with his friend and waited to see what form of discipline would befall Romney at the famously strict institution. Nothing happened.

Athough these pranks were nasty, people at that age do stupid things. Neurologists say that a person's frontal cortex isn't fully developed until mid-20s -- and that is the area that deals with judgment. I think a more useful discussion is how much Romney got away with because of his parents' wealth - not getting in trouble for the pranks, dodging the draft.

Romney was well into his 30s when he slapped his dog on the car roof -- now that was nasty and stupid and showed he hadn't matured much...See More


...and his frontal cortex has remained in the same or worse condition it was in during his prep school days

Surprise, surprise, the governor's son doesn't get kicked out for assaulting another student. There is a very clear pecking order in the private schools I've known about, where the children of richer, more powerful, and more famous people get away with much more than others.

But having a famous father doesn't excuse Romney. At least Romney's buddies had the decency to apologize to their bullying victim. I would be willing to cut The Willard some slack on this if he'd done the same. As it is...See More

Surprise, surprise. The term 'assault' was not in the law books in the 60s. Not like today when 'spitting' on someone is considered 'assault'.

Many on these comments want to give Romney the benefit of the doubt when his staffer says Romney doesn't remember participating in the attack. I'm sure that everyone here remembers a lot of their high school days and would especially remember leading a gang attack on a defenseless boy, just as Romney's cohorts all did. As a psychologist, I can think of three credible scenarios whereby Romney would legitimately not remember leading the attack on the boy:

1) Romney is mentally impaired

2) Romney i...See More


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well aint that just special !

This type of article is part of the problem. This is just typical election year noise. Just like the stuff about obama using drugs as a teen. Seriously, who with a brain gives a care?
 

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This type of article is part of the problem. This is just typical election year noise. Just like the stuff about obama using drugs as a teen. Seriously, who with a brain gives a care?
What is important here is Romney's response. He said he does not recall the incident. He did not deny it but he does not recall it. If an act like that imeans so little to him that he does not recall it do we want a person as heartless as that in charge?
 

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sometimes I wonder if you have a half brain

Do you know how many gays there are in America who vote as independants ?

well the figure is 4 % ppl in America are gay

There are approximately 360 million ppl in America

All is fair in love and war.

Looks like Obama is the smart one to me.

In the meantime Romney is beating up gays in his high school years. There goes any gay votes for the Mittster right out the fawking window.

and all of them like to tell all of us about it too, and their rights, etc...Obama is just pandering for votes, he has the blacks, now he assures the gay vote by saying exactly what they want to hear, next is promising amnesty, you just watch...people who are smart can see right through him
 

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Romney is not a fiscal conservative except in self-appointed title, just like bush before him. That is the point many who arent paying attention seem to miss.

of the choices we have Romney is closest to what I think a President should be. Hopefully we find out if he is Conservative fiscally...time will tell, I do know he has changed his stance on some social issues over the years, I saw a debate from the 70's and wow...I will dig it up and post it sometime this weekend
 

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This type of article is part of the problem. This is just typical election year noise. Just like the stuff about obama using drugs as a teen. Seriously, who with a brain gives a care?
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If dirt is going to be thrown then it is thrown from both sides of the fence.

Ask Sheriff Arapio for Ariz. Remember his lawsuit about Obama and the birth cert

all of a suddern Arapio has bigger fish to fry with a fed lawsuit.

Whatever happened to Teddy Nugent anyway :shrug:


Its hard to believe power at that level.

We have no comprehension.
 

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and all of them like to tell all of us about it too, and their rights, etc...Obama is just pandering for votes, he has the blacks, now he assures the gay vote by saying exactly what they want to hear, next is promising amnesty, you just watch...people who are smart can see right through him
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hedge

now your catching on to how the game is played.

If you can understand me explaining this then it is no wonder how swayed you are listening to Rush and Hannity.

you are some kind of a puppetboy ?

and I dont mean that in a bad way
 

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So how is $40 billion per year of taxpayer money wasted on the failed war on drugs a "liberal" issue? Don't conservatives say they want to cut spending and the size of government?

Please explain how the mortgage crisis is Obama's fault since it happened under Bush II with both Democrats and Republicans to blame. Don't believe your hype or anyone else's. Look at the facts!
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:popcorn2 :shrug: :SIB
 

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Bill O'Reilly dismissed the prep school story that has shaken up Mitt Romney's campaign, calling it "dumb" on his Friday show.

The Washington Post story reported that a teenaged Romney held down a then-closeted gay student and cut his long hair. Romney apologized for the incident, although he said he did not remember it having taken place. Conservatives questioned the relevance of the report, which the Post held for a day. They also lambasted the Post for some of the details it had to clarify subsequently.

O'Reilly clearly saw the whole thing as a non-issue. He said it didn't matter if Romney "hazed a gay guy in prep school," calling the report "dumb" and adding that "everybody does stupid things in high school." Recalling a time when he shot someone in the back with a BB gun, he joked, "I hope I can keep my job."

O'Reilly said that someone's teenage years should not be up for discussion.

"If, while Governor of Massachussetts, Romney shaved Barney Frank's head, then you might have a story," he said. "...The Romney story means nothing, period."
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From one bully to another Mittens bully


How did we know ORilley was going to react like this.

Of course it is fair game to go back to when Obama was 8 yrs old living with his mother and just talk all the smack you want about how he was raised and the things that he did.

when its conservatives Orielly says dimissive is what is right.

just turn the other cheek about a candidate bully a blond haired closet gay. That was ok back then.

Geezz Louise......

from what I see , that goes right to moral value and integrity.

Most Americans can see this as showing what character traits we will get.
 

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As I've noted before, if you are a woman and you vote for the GOP in 2012, you are saying it's OK for you to receive less pay; that it's OK for the state to enact onerous laws and obstacles to your access to abortions and contraceptives; and that it's OK to treat you like a second class citizen. Given the chance, by your vote, the GOP/Tea Party/Religious Right will systematically remove all women's rights until they are once again non-voting members of society.


Republicans can call their assualt on women's rights anything they want, but as far as I am concerned it is a full on war. As far as the groceries, gas and economics is concerned don't those people realize that once a woman hits her fifth month that she doesn't get to participate in the economy? CONTRACEPTIVES AND BIRTH CONTROL are more important to working women than the economy because without them they are locked out of the economy!
The republicans are hoping this is going to go away, but women will no let it go until they have gotten rid of the republican threat to their lives and freedom.
Vote out all republicans and end the threat against women's rights FOREVER!

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Keep pissing off the woman of America with your conservative right wing views of what woman should and should not do and see where that gets ya.

Woman could very well decide who wins this election.

And alot of them are independants.

Lets see ...... gays .... check

blacks.........check

pissed off woman at war .... check

mexicans ........... check

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For those who understand, no explanation is needed.

For those who do not understand, no explanation is possible


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This seems about right for this thread
 

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Rep. Michele Bachmann insisted Thursday she?s withdrawing her Swiss citizenship to ?make it perfectly clear? that she?s a ?proud American citizen,? but intense criticism from the right may have forced her decision.

The news that the Minnesota Republican became a Swiss citizen on March 19 was greeted poorly by conservative blogs ? which normally argue in her favor ? as writers called her dual citizenship ?treason,? ?career-ending? and an ?insult."

?She didn?t think there was anything wrong with holding or applying for Swiss citizenship while serving as a member of the U.S. Congress. She didn?t think it might be perceived as a conflict of interest as a candidate for president or for reelection to her House seat,? said the staffer. ?But one might think she?d be better served to focus first on her constituents in Minnesota and then on her fellow citizens in Switzerland.?

Mark Krikorian, an influential anti-immigration writer who contributes to the National Review and heads the Center for Immigration Studies, led the charge in the blogosphere with three articles in two days about how Bachmann?s dual citizenship was wrong.

?This is outrageous and she needs to hear about it? Dual citizenship isn?t simply a matter of convenience, a way to make travel easier or a sentimental tie to the Auld Sod,? argued Krikorian. ?It?s an insult to both countries.?


?Dual Citizenship Is Treason,? blared a headline at the Daily Paul, a website ?inspired by? Ron Paul.

?I am against dual citizenship of any kind. When you benefit from the blood spilled by patriots in the past, the least which can be requested of you is undivided allegiance. The United States is not like any other country? For most of the country?s history, dual citizenship was considered the equivalent of political bigamy,? wrote a blogger there.

?Just when you think it?s safe to vote for a Republican, along comes Michele Bachmann? with what should be a career-ending piece of news, at least on the national level,? remarked Michael Walsh at National Review?s The Corner. ?Good grief.?

?How she thinks that she can sit in the US Congress of the United States after swearing allegiance to the country of Switzerland is beyond my comprehension,? wrote conservative blogger Lori Stacy on Examiner.com. ?Michele Bachmann needs to step down immediately and apologize profusely to all of our citizens and especially the residents of her district in Minnesota for carrying on this egregious offense of representing them since March 19th after becoming a citizen of a different country.?

Indeed, the entire ?Swiss miss? flap ? lasting all of two and a half days ? appears to illustrate the emerging influence of blogs.

?This would seem easily fixable by writing to the Swiss foreign ministry politely asking that they not consider her a Swiss citizen,? wrote Kirkorian in another post on Thursday morning, detailing a phone conversation he had had with Bachmann.

That day, that?s exactly what she did.

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This was one of the best the GOP could come up with to run for POTUS.

what kind of logic was used to do this ?

its amazing how she could think nothing would be said about this.

Mittens had said she was on the short list for VP

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KOD...don't fall into a trap of Democrat versus Republican.

Everyone had the same concerns about electing Bush because of his views on religion and choice and after 12 years of Bush's, there was no assualt on women's rights.

In fact, after eight years of Clinton his biggest impact was to reform welfare, women's salaries didn't rise because of his attention to this issue. Gore had eight years to do something tangible about the environment...he didn't.

The point is, it really doesn't matter if we elect The Obama or The Mitt...each party is now in the mode to scare voters into holding their nose and voting for their candidate.

Once elected, their main job is to get re-elected. Until we break this cycle of ineptitude, we pretty much get the leaders we deserve.

Any reasonable person knows The Mitt is not a social conservative. He has no core values...I respect Santorum more not because of his views but, at least he has some personal conviction.

No need to even mention the flaws of The Obama...he now has a record and if you want to attribute that to what he inherited than just be ready to also blame Bush for the next four years.

You can continue to spend time on issues like The Mitt being mean to a gay guy or The Obama eating a dog if you want...that's waht the parties want...that's what the media wants.

There are alternatives.
 

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KOD...don't fall into a trap of Democrat versus Republican.

Everyone had the same concerns about electing Bush because of his views on religion and choice and after 12 years of Bush's, there was no assualt on women's rights.

You can continue to spend time on issues like The Mitt being mean to a gay guy or The Obama eating a dog if you want...that's waht the parties want...that's what the media wants.

There are alternatives.
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yeh pretty much nothing changes but the changes.
Got to agree with that mostly

I am not spending time on anything but relaying the facts that are in the news . I read this stuff everyday and it is amazing.

what do you think are the alternatives

:0corn
 

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Once elected, their main job is to get re-elected. Until we break this cycle of ineptitude, we pretty much get the leaders we deserve.
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Term limits.

6 yrs for President

4 yrs for Congress


They would never allow this however because it would get rid of too much bs that goes on year after year.
 

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Once elected, their main job is to get re-elected. Until we break this cycle of ineptitude, we pretty much get the leaders we deserve.
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Term limits.

6 yrs for President

4 yrs for Congress


They would never allow this however because it would get rid of too much bs that goes on year after year.

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Agreed on term limits...no doubt about that.

Alternatives are other parties. Even today, the Libertarian candidate is again being pushed out of the debates by the two main parties and the media.

Reaching qualifying vote thresholds will put those parties in the debates and, therefore, in the spotlight. Like him or not, the debates were the main driver for both Newt and the Pizza Man.

Paying attention to the media everyday is probably part of the problem. They are imbedded with the parties and their talking points.

They are also imbedded with their advertisers. First we get news stories on all of the things that will hurt you and then the commercials sell you the solutions.

That's fine as long as we all understand the distinctions. I also meant to say great cartoon on The Mitt being upside down.
 
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