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Racism pales in comparison to thug culture

Published on: 01/15/06

A black-oriented cable channel, BET, plans to air a new unscripted show celebrating Kimberly Jones ? aka Lil' Kim ? for her crimes. Promotional ads for the show, "Countdown to Lockdown," declare that Jones entered prison with her "mouth shut, head held high, as she refuses to snitch."

Jones, a rap star, recently began serving a year and a day for lying to a grand jury investigating a 2001 shootout between her entourage and a rival rap crew. BET is playing her lawlessness for all the money it can make.

One executive, Reginald Hudlin, declared that "Countdown" ? six episodes filmed during Jones' final two weeks of freedom ? will reveal the "consequences of [Jones'] choices." But Tracey Edmonds, executive producer of "Countdown," was less restrained in her enthusiasm for those choices, saying she would "have to support" Jones.

"Even though it was against the law, she was under a lot of pressure. . . . She was taught from Day One that you do not snitch," Edmonds said.

Is this why the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. made the ultimate sacrifice? Is this why Rosa Parks refused to yield her seat? Did countless civil rights veterans put everything on the line so that, someday, a handful of black men and women could make a fortune encouraging young blacks to lawlessness?

The popularity of thug culture is among the most serious of modern-day threats to black America, far more dangerous than any lingering institutional racism. Its mores mimic prison culture: the ubiquitous droopy-pants look drew its inspiration from jail procedures, where men are stripped of their belts upon arrest. It romanticizes casual violence, helping to ensure that black fratricide will go on unabated.

According to the FBI's Uniform Crime Report, black men are the likely perpetrators in more than 40 percent of the homicides in which a suspect has been identified. That's staggering ? given that black men account for only about 6 percent of the population. But black men are their own worst enemies: They also account for about 40 percent of the nation's homicide victims.

No drumbeat or rhyme ever put a gun in anyone's hand. But some rap lyrics do make violence seem an assurance of manliness. Not only does much rap music (and I use the word "music" advisedly) glorify men who carry guns and intimidate or kill their foes, but some rap artists have engaged in actual violence. Some have gone to prison. Some are dead. Apparently, their close association with criminal activity gives them "street cred," making them more popular.

Yet, few prominent black activists raise their voices against this insidious industry. You can count on the usual suspects to protest discrimination in housing or education or employment or even TV roles. But you cannot count on them to mount a vigorous assault on thug culture and the violence it perpetuates.

Now that a multibillion-dollar industry has grown up around thug culture, it will be very difficult to tamp down. Not only have a handful of black artists and producers become very wealthy but so have many whites. Indeed, raunchy rap music sells well in affluent white suburbs, where teens may enjoy the vicarious thrill but are insulated from the real-life risks.

So, for that matter, are affluent blacks such as Hudlin, a Harvard grad, or Edmonds, a successful Hollywood executive recently separated from wealthy music producer Kenneth "Babyface" Edmonds. They can afford to live in high-walled seclusion, away from the casual violence they pimp to others. Even Lil' Kim is likely to survive her incarceration with her bank account intact. In fact, with her BET deal, Jones must have become more valuable the closer she got to prison.

The victims of thug culture are more likely to be young black men such as Lonniel Wade, 20, shot to death in November 2004 as he walked home from work in a run-down suburban Atlanta neighborhood. His killer, Alvin High, 18, told friends he shot Wade to test a gun he had stolen.

In their confession to police, High and his friends said they had been cruising the streets listening to music by a group called "Crime Mob." Its lyrics include the following:

Pop wit a glock and I stay wit a K [AK47]

If you come my way

I'm act a fool

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Dude was testing out a gun he had stolen, so he shoots a student in the head walking home from school. This happened in Atlanta.

Pop wit a glock.

Im act a fool.

WTF is this world coming to
 
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bryanz said:
what's your take on Martha Stewart ? Do you see any similarities ?
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well lets see. Martha told the truth about lieing to the Federal goverment. She went to federal prison.

Lil Kim lied about the truth in her trial. She also
goes to prison.

Pop wit a glock

look like a fool

shoot down innocents.

thug life rule
 

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Racism in America--Was interesting to hear Harry Belafonte speak on subject at Duke U recently.
Seems whitey is reason blacks are low on economical totum pole in U.S.--the reason they their crime #'s far exceed population #'s--ditto on 60% + illegitmacy rate all goes back to fault of someone else according to him.
I'd like for someone to just ask him once why it is same in every country--and doubly worse in his native country Africa.
Name just one other culture that still lives in primative state in this day and time and on no less than 4 continents.
If his ancestors had not by some means migrated and he still lived in his home country his chance of being literate and fully clothed would be less than 50%--so who is he going to blame for plight of black man in his home country?

You see any similarities bryanz?
 

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Sopranos teaches not to snitch and has a lot of killing for no reason too. For some reason that show is praised and wins a bunch of awards.

DTB - I'm not a Harry Belafonte fan - so don't get the wrong idea. BUT Belafonte was born in Harlem, NY. Why do you say is native country is "Africa"?

Please no more bullshit about how blacks should be thankful for slavery because 400 years later their offspring are better off in America than they would have been in Cameroon, Gabon, or Nigeria.

Name just one other culture that still lives in primative state in this day and time and on no less than 4 continents.
Amazing - so all black people are considered to be one culture? I guess all white people are also one culture. Irish - German - Swedish - Ukrainian - Hell, it's all one culture.

What exactly are you getting at here, my white brother? Blacks are inferior?
 

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I'd like for someone to just ask him once why it is same in every country--and doubly worse in his native country Africa.

His native country Africa? Do I even have to say anthing? Are you wearing the robe and hood right now, or is that just for special occasions?
 

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His native country Africa? Do I even have to say anthing? Are you wearing the robe and hood right now, or is that just for special occasions?

Here it comes. Solution, cry racism. :142crying

"African American", term which the PC community elected to replace "black".

Robe and Hood? :com: Gotta admit it's a good one.

Dude was born in Harlem, raised in Jamaica and returned to US. And blames all his maladies on whitey. Also seeks (takes money) from Hugo Chavez in Venezuela and goes there to help propagate socialism/comunism (also Ms. Sheehan).

Mofo should be put in jail, screw 1st ammendment.
 

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Doesn't phase me one iota, but they- like Belafonte-- have no answers just the same excuses. White hood??- I think not -I open doors and treat everyone with respect despite race or gender--As I said before I may statistically predjudice but nothing personal.If there is a serial arson I'm thinking white male 25 to 45--if there is suicide bombing I'm thinking Muslim-- if there is rape of black woman I'll venture its a black male--and I'll be "statsically"correct 90% of time--for those that prefer to be poliically correct but statistically incorrect -- I'd suggest you open your eyes!

your thought for today-- ---

The PC crowd build castles in the sky, their constituents live in them, and realists collect the rent. ;)
 
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White hood??- I think not -I open doors and treat everyone with respect despite race or gender--As I said before I may statistically predjudice but nothing personal.

Let me get me this straight, if I can do it without laughing or vomiting, you treat everyone with respect despite race (and "nothing personal"), but all black people (on 4 continents , no less) are "primitive." I don't want to argue with you too much, because I'm afraid you're either 13 years old or mentally challenged, but that's not "statistical prejudice", that's out and out racism. It has nothing to do with whether Belafonte is a wacko or not, that's a horrendous thing to say. Sure Belafonte makes some outrageous claims, but that doesn't give you license to insult his entire race and then say you're not prejudiced. You sound crazier than Harry.

The reason I'm willing to accept that you might be 13 is that you think Africa is a country. As for your stats on arson and rape of black women, you need to watch less CSI and pick up a book once in a while. I would suggest a 4th grade geography textbook for starters. If I were you, I would also ask Nosigar to stop defending you, because his "I don't care about freedom of speech, you should be put in jail for saying controversial things" position only makes you look crazier.
 

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DTB is a great guy - I have learned that in the year+ of posting here. I respect him as much as anyone I've never met. I'd vouch for him on pretty much anything, even though I have a feeling I'd argue endlessly on this topic - especially given his previous post.

I'm not an apologist for the Lil' Kims of the world. I think I have a grasp of American history - and the fact that we are part of history right now. After nearly 400 years of slavery and ridiculous discrimination, I cannot possibly see how everything would suddenly just be OK between the races. We are barely a generation removed from LEGAL discrimination. How can any race suddenly forgive, forget, and move on to live up to it's greatest American potential? It just doesn't seem mathematically possible this soon to me. We are probably at least another generation or so away from having the luxury of passing judgement on an entire race.
 

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This could be a most intersting and facinating discussion--however I don't think a discussion board is vialble place to have it- simply because it is volitile subject if taken wrong way and person can't use statistical stats supporting views without being referred to as racist.
Heyward allready has taken me out of context saying that I said "all black people are primitive". I said nothing of the sort--no doubt black people have been hindered by bias in U.S. over the years--and I have more respect for those that excell than many others because of their tenacity to overcome.
You will see accustations-name calling ect out of the Belafontes and Haywards but 0 supporting evidence.
They have but one defence to contradict the #'s-and that being name calling and prejudice and opinions.
On his continent issues--I'll use 2 I am familiar with South East Asia and Australia.Maybe he would like to enlighten us why the Montagyards--and Aboriginies have not progressed as others?
What common denominator will you find in National Geographic commentaries of areas of the world.
One can make excuses of racism and prejudices holding one back but no race on earth has been persecuted more than jews--yet they excell worldwide. In the U.S. no race has had more prejudice than the Japanese during and following world war 2--yet despite only 50 years to recover vs 100 for slavery--how many japanese gettos are there--how many Japanese are on TV complaining about anyone holding them back.They have totally removed any past prejudices--how?-- by lifestyle and achievements and being responsible for their own actions-

Comparing statisical data on situations and having that data all point to same end result has no relevance to prejudice---however I would say that those who make opinions with absolutely no supporting evidence -in fact are the ones prejudice.

And my intent is not to insult any race--but only to show failure is more often a product of ones own doing than layng blame on someone else. Everyone has same opp for education and to advance in the U.S.--more so than other country--if you don't want to take adv of educational benfits--or make effort to learn communication skills-adapt to societies principals- ect don't blame society for your failures--regarldless of your race/gender or heritage.
 
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Family.............in the absence of family a young person will tend to gravitate to love and belonging...security etc. and that will come from some type of association with a gang or facsimile therof...
Young women will seek unconditional love and that may come from a baby. Too many children have neither mother or father to raise them... Black families have an urgent need for their men to stay at home and become skilled ...both in the workplace and as parents. Many do just that and raise beautiful,children...a HIGH percentage of these are churchgoing, devout christians who have released their anger and are widely accepted and promoted in our society and in the workplace. WAY TOO MANY.....are born into poverty, abandonment, and in many cases, futile efforts of extended family to provide love, belonging, food, clothing and shelter.........Progress will begin when families are strengthened and when we stop sending jobs overseas
for the benefit of a few. This country NEEDS to provide opportunities for black men and for blue collar workers........not of the burger flipping variety. Opportunities for men to acquire skills, to work at a job with benefits for his family..and the ability to get by with hard work. We need to produce and not just consume in this country.
Right now, to many, "Hustling" seems to be the only opportunity out there....while fathering children only to abandom them seems to be more widely accepted as a norm. JMHO

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Heyward, he's the oldest looking most heavily decorated 13 year old I've ever met! DTB, don't forget our local Klan chapter meeting tonight. We're supposed to be initiating some new members. :rolleyes: Heyward = :mj10:
 

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You will see accustations-name calling ect out of the Belafontes and Haywards but 0 supporting evidence.
They have but one defence to contradict the #'s-and that being name calling and prejudice and opinions.
On his continent issues--I'll use 2 I am familiar with South East Asia and Australia.Maybe he would like to enlighten us why the Montagyards--and Aboriginies have not progressed as others?
What common denominator will you find in National Geographic commentaries of areas of the world.
One can make excuses of racism and prejudices holding one back but no race on earth has been persecuted more than jews--yet they excell worldwide. In the U.S. no race has had more prejudice than the Japanese during and following world war 2--yet despite only 50 years to recover vs 100 for slavery--how many japanese gettos are there--how many Japanese are on TV complaining about anyone holding them back.They have totally removed any past prejudices--how?-- by lifestyle and achievements and being responsible for their own actions-
OK, have to take issue with a few things here.

1) Australian Aboriginies and any other Southeastern Asian primitive dark people are not even "African" - or the kind of black you are talking about. They are Mongoloid - as in everyone is either Mongoloid, Negroid, or Caucasoid based on how and where their lineage can be traced. So, whatever you are on about with those people - well - they are essentially not even "black" anyway.

2) Comparing the historic struggles of anyone to Black Americans is simply ridiculous. There's NO COMPARISON whatsoever between atrocities. How can that be measured.

In America - try and at least look at this angle - Blacks are the only people that were brought here, rather than coming by choice. This alone makes a difference that cannot be measured. Also, how many American blacks can trace their family lineage? I kind of like having the luxury of figuring out which parts of Europe I'm from and even who I am related to. Pretty much every race in America can trace their roots - except for blacks. Yeah, there a possibie ways to figure some of it out - but it sure is a lot different and more difficult. Names lost, families forcibly split into a dozen peices and then put back together with outher unknown peices - all thanks to to great great grandfathers of the same people running the country now. ....Yeah, I don't know I might have a little bitterness over that. Certainly I might not quite see myself as equally sharing the American dream - the same dream that EVERY OTHER RACE CHOSE TO CHASE.

3) The Japanese comparison? Are you kidding me? You are saying that nomody in American history ever suffered as much as the Japanese during WW2? 350 years of blatant murder, slavery, and discrimination is not as bad as a few years of rather harsh relocation and upheaval. I just don't understand that thinking.

Obviously, being such a "bleeding heart", I acknowledge that particular struggle as much as possible. It is it's own unique tragedy - but please - what an ludicrous comparison.

In Heyward'd defense - If I did not already know who you were, DTB - I would have also thought your first post was from a 13 year old or a Clan member. I'm certainly not going to get on his case about that.

I think we just need some historic perspective on this rather than always the same kneejerk response about how now that everything is legally equal, "why the hell dont blacks just get a job and shut up"

Fact is, most of you guys seek out the bad examples to display and then go "see what I mean!". You know you do this. Scapegoating or whatver, it's tired and pathetic.

Again - barely a generation has passed since there was 400 years of absolute hell and inequality for blacks in America. So I think everyone should just STFU, let this thing breath, and maybe in 50 years or so start passing judgement.
 
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SMurphy...
There have long been immigrant groups and have-nots and groups subjected to prejudice and discrimination..............BUT NEVER...
were children and families abandoned by their fathers to the extent that black children are today.
This, to me, signals a group in serious decline, lacking the basic responsibilities to care for children is unconscionable and unforgivable. Again...this CERTAINLY does not apply to all families of color....BUT WAY TOO MANY!!!!!!!!!

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Pretty good reasoning Smurph--thank you--believe you and I can discuss this rationally.
Now appears your point lies in fact that slavery-discrimination ect is the culprit or excuse.
I will give your analysis credence if you can give me example of any country that has predominantly black population with economy that has less than 50% below poverty -moderate crime--and just a modest 50% literacy rate.

and back to stats--- maybe you'd like to explain what the countries with the lowest HDI (Human Development Index) have in common and why? What factor did the U.S. or any other country play in keeping these countries from advancing?

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0778562.html
 

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Yeah, I agree with you Bear. Your point about fatherless families is not inconsistent with my points. Individually, it's inexcusable for a man to abandon his responsibilities as a father. I get that. I do not label a race over that, however. ESPECIALLY, when history is so obvious.

Every immigrant group that has been subject to discrimination (I still have a novelty "Irish Need Not Apply" sign) came here by choice. They had a sense of the American dream, even though it involved hard work and unfair conditions.

Still, they were free. My immigrant forefathers were poor - but they were free. They were here by choice, free to work, save, vote, and get an education. The same was not true for blacks in every part of the country until l literally barely 40 years ago. This fact gets lost among the critics every time.

Basically, blacks were here before almost everyone else. They got to watch every immigrant group that followed pursue the American dream - while they were either enslaved or otherwise legally held back. It was like that for quite a long time - EMBARRASSINGLY long time in some parts of the country.

Comparisons between every other immigrant group in America and blacks is 100% pointless. There is no comparison. Plain and simple.
 
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