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I see your on your spell check/intelligence bit again trying to make yourself appear competent at something :)

Working on something very special for you--will put it up in general forum either pre superbowl or during bowls when viewing it at its max--

Can't decide whether to title it- Tramp Exposed or Anatomy of a Zero
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DTBlackgumby

Don't you think you are carrying this way too far ?

If thats all you got against the guy, you need to get that weak chit out of the kitchen.

thats a basketball term :)
 

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DTBlackgumby

just curious

what would be your advise to the homeless people who can no longer afford the value meal ?
 
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DTBlackgumby

Don't you think you are carrying this way too far ?

If thats all you got against the guy, you need to get that weak chit out of the kitchen.

thats a basketball term :)

I stand behind everything I have said on this forum. So he can play whatever game he wants.
 

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Before I get involved in this, I want some clarification of points I see attempted to be made. Wayne, are you saying Democrats, or the media, or whatever bad faction you are trying to portray here, were saying in 2006 that at that time, the economy was the worst it's been since the great recession? I assume you mean depression, but it's tough to know when quotes are blurred for various reasons. If so, can I see the quotes you are referring to, from these factions, in 2006?

Thanks in advance.

What I'm saying is when Dems did their worst economy since great depression gambit during campaigns in 2006 in which they gained control of both house and senate--our economy was firing--after 6 years of their leadership--we indeed have worst economy since great depression.

In case you missed Thomas Sowells article
http://www.madjacksports.com/forum/showthread.php?t=416961

No President of the United States</SPAN> can create either a budget deficit or a budget surplus. All spending bills originate in the House of Representatives and all taxes are voted into law by Congress.

Democrats controlled both houses of Congress before Barack Obama became president. The deficit he inherited was created by the Congressional Democrats, including Senator Barack Obama, who did absolutely nothing to oppose the runaway spending. He was one of the biggest of the big spenders.

The last time the federal government had a budget surplus, Bill Clinton was president, so it was called "the Clinton surplus." But Republicans controlled the House of Representatives, where all spending bills originate, for the first time in 40 years. It was also the first budget surplus in more than a quarter of a century--

Another political fable is that the current economic downturn is due to not enough government regulation of the housing and financial markets. But it was precisely the government regulators, under pressure from politicians, who forced banks and other lending institutions to lower their standards for making mortgage loans.
These risky loans, and the defaults that followed, were what set off a chain reaction of massive financial losses that brought down the whole economy.
Was this due to George W. Bush and the Republicans? Only partly. Most of those who pushed the lowering of mortgage lending standards were Democrats-- notably Congressman Barney Frank and Senator Christopher Dodd, though too many Republicans went along.
At the heart of these policies were Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, who bought huge amounts of risky mortgages, passing the risk on from the banks that lent the money (and made the profits) to the taxpayers who were not even aware that they would end up paying in the end.
When President Bush said in 2004 that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac should be reined in, 76 members of the House of Representatives issued a statement to the contrary. These included Barney Frank, Nancy Pelosi, Maxine Waters and Charles Rangel.

--so the It was Bush--holds no water of course everyone here should know that as we've had that discussion here before and came to same conclusion as he did.

http://www.madjacksports.com/forum/showthread.php?t=358028
How did we get into this Financial crisis?

Did that answer your question?
 

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I read your quick comment, your repost of Sowell's article, and did a quick scan of the 3 pages of another thread, Wayne. Nowhere do I see my two questions to you answered. Perhaps you can show me what I missed specific to my questions, or continue to change the subject.

Wayne, are you saying Democrats, or the media, or whatever bad faction you are trying to portray here, were saying in 2006 that at that time, the economy was the worst it's been since the great recession? I assume you mean depression, but it's tough to know when quotes are blurred for various reasons. If so, can I see the quotes you are referring to, from these factions, in 2006?
 

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What I'm saying is when Dems did their worst economy since great depression gambit during campaigns in 2006 in which they gained control of both house and senate--our economy was firing--after 6 years of their leadership--we indeed have worst economy since great depression.
I'm not sure why Chadman wastes his time debating with you. You seem to be incapable of keeping the simplest of facts straight. First, the Dems have held the House majority for 4 years, not 6 years. Second, the "Worst since the Great Depression" label wasn't hung on the economy until Sept. 15th, 2008, which means you're trying to make the argument the Dems caused a near meltdown of the entire U.S. economy in 2 short years, while a Republican administration was in office, no less.

Your fairy tales are becoming more whimsical by the day.
 

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I'm not sure why Chadman wastes his time debating with you. You seem to be incapable of keeping the simplest of facts straight. First, the Dems have held the House majority for 4 years, not 6 years. Second, the "Worst since the Great Depression" label wasn't hung on the economy until Sept. 15th, 2008, which means you're trying to make the argument the Dems caused a near meltdown of the entire U.S. economy in 2 short years, while a Republican administration was in office, no less.

Your fairy tales are becoming more whimsical by the day.
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I knew all of that but wasnt going to waste my typing to correct the dumb ass.:)

thanks for posting.
 

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Obama said":thefinger" to the center there were lies the real problem....:shrug: Kinda easy to see,no...

He has done EXACTLY the opposite. Most centrist president we have had in a very long time. Uncomfortably centrist, actually. ...But then again, if he chose a side he would probably be dead.
 

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Big surprise. DTB completely sidesteps the Bureau of Labor Statistics chart and wants us to take his distorted view of reality as "fact".

Btw DTB... I know I'm just a simpleton, but don't you think it's about time you learned the appropriate use of "you're" vs. "your" and "they're" vs. "there" or "their"? Learning the English language isn't rocket science.

Didn't even look at chart as already could figure the diif between 10% and 5%---and know all liberals tricks--as disregarding bringing back economy from dot con /worldcom-enron collapse (with no bailouts) 911 etc and finish with better employment #'s than Clinton who had few if any adversities to counter (as we proved previous) so what's a liberal to do??- --take the worst months of 8 years and try to present them as pic for his entire admin.

Its an old grift--that only the most gullible of lemmings fall for--and didn't think it needed exposed as didn't think anyone took it seriously--but since its obvious that you a a couple others actual did bite on it--thought I'd "open your eyes" a bit.

--on your grammer issue--as I told you before I see no need for spell check--I am really quite comfortable with myself--and have had 0 problems in real life or relating to those I have met here--whether it be in general issues handicapping-stocks issues--or any others. Hitting that little spell check button is not a priority.

You and your brother Tramp on the other hand have zero credibilty on any issue--and your spellcheck and trying to continuously correct everyone is only means of trying to make anyone think you got a clue period. Everyone knows the type.--but your be unable to detect even the most flagrant of grifts -as your chart--isn't helping you any. :)

Maybe you each could run 12 shifts detecting all the errors you can find here--that still leaves you time to campaign for all those taxes hikes on the productive to raise your standard of living.

--which brings to topic of the day--

Castro declares socialism/communism didn't work.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100909/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/cb_cuba_fidel_castro

Looks like Da bases utopia --

"The state controls well over 90 percent of the economy, paying workers salaries of about $20 a month in return for free health care and education, and nearly free transportation and housing. At least a portion of every citizen's food needs are sold to them through ration books at heavily subsidized prices."

--I know ya all are probably getting boners over just reading about all the freebees above. :)
 

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I read your quick comment, your repost of Sowell's article, and did a quick scan of the 3 pages of another thread, Wayne. Nowhere do I see my two questions to you answered. Perhaps you can show me what I missed specific to my questions, or continue to change the subject.

Wayne, are you saying Democrats, or the media, or whatever bad faction you are trying to portray here, were saying in 2006 that at that time, the economy was the worst it's been since the great recession? I assume you mean depression, but it's tough to know when quotes are blurred for various reasons. If so, can I see the quotes you are referring to, from these factions, in 2006?

Here is quote from 11-2006 in response to 4.6 unemploment #'s being released.

"The President has the worst jobs record since the Great Depression, and the economy is slowing due to the housing slump. The budget and trade deficits as well as public debt levels have all climbed to record levels," Pelosi said.
  1. Unemployment down to 4.4%.
  2. 92,000 new jobs created in October.
  3. 470,000 new jobs over the last three months.
  4. Our economy has now added jobs for 38 straight months.
  5. Real, after-tax income has risen by 9.8% in the last six years. That?s $2,660, on average, that?s staying in the pocket of every single American rather than going to the government in taxes.
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Today Nancy Pelosi claimed that the economy was in the worst shape since the Great Depression. She was responding to President Bush's enthusiasm for the recently released 4.4% unemployment rate.

http://www.federalreserve.gov/boarddocs/speeches/2004/200403022/default....
For more recent history, the Bureau of Labor Statistics is a handy resource:
http://www.bls.gov/cps/prev_yrs.htm
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In campaign speeches and on his website, John Kerry tells us that President Bush has ?the worst economic record since the Hoover administration.? Herbert Hoover, of course, presided over the start of the Great Depression in 1929.


Media Myth: The Recession/Depression of 2006
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Good economic news filled 2006 ? the Dow topped 12,000 for the first time; 1.36 million jobs were added, along with a Labor Department revision that included another 810,000; average wages increased 4.2 percent and corporate earnings set records. But the three broadcast networks buried that good news beneath bread line images from the Great Depression or warnings about a possible recession.
ABC, CBS and NBC referenced the Great Depression or suggested that recession was on the horizon a total of 49 times in 2006 Depression and recession were also mentioned in a historical context 28 more times. That wasABC, CBS and NBC referenced the Great Depression or suggested that recessionn?t all:
  • <LI class=MsoNormal>Good Economy or Great Depression?: Journalists used stories as diverse as savings rates and climate change to evoke images from America?s worst economic catastrophe. <LI class=MsoNormal>Or Maybe It?s a Recession? Network reports included warnings about interest rates, high oil prices, global warming, a slowing housing market, and terrorism that all could lead to a recession.
  • Consistently Negative: The networks averaged almost one story per week that included references to an economic collapse either by recession or depression (49 times).

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Dustbowl images of farmers battling for their homes or somber men waiting their turn in soup lines filled the TV screen. But the year was 2006, and economic reality was bright.
Broadcasters warned of everything from a recession caused by the ?housing bubble? or even a global economic collapse similar to the Great Depression, on average almost once a week in 2006.
One CBS story underscored the danger of a new recession or depression with newspaper headlines from the 1929 stock market crash or the 2000 dotcom collapse. Viewers were reminded of dark days: ?Wall St. Lays An Egg? and ?Dotcom.failures.?
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In addition to drawing comparisons between the current economy and the worst economic crisis in American history, reports also warned about recession more than 30 times. This was despite job growth, a new stock market high, record corporate earnings and increases in real wages.
?With big business struggling, unsteady interest rates and signs of a recession, the best some forecasters are hoping for in 2006 is an average year,? said reporter Sharyn Alfonsi to kick off the New Year?s stock market predictions during CBS ?Evening News? on Jan. 1, 2006.
CBS came full circle, finishing off the year with another report by Anthony Mason on Dec. 14, 2006, that included an economist again warning of a recession if consumer spending wasn?t strong enough.
An analysis of all ABC, CBS and NBC reports for 2006 found 77 stories that mentioned an economic recession or depression. Of those, 49 of the stories were about the 2006 economy. The media predicted a 2006 recession, and when that didn?t happen they predicted a 2007 recession. Reports warned of recession or depression caused by a litany of factors: ?high oil prices,? climate change, the cooling of ?a once scorching housing market,? a terrorist act or interest rate hikes.
The difference between the actual economy and perception of a recession was explained by Mary Matalin, a former assistant to the president, in an April 20, 2006, interview. ?There is a disconnect between what is a robust economy, and people saying they?re better off today than they were four years ago but thinking we?re in a recession,? said Matalin during ?The Early Show? on CBS.
TV host and CEO of Kudlow and Company, LLC, Lawrence Kudlow described the 2006 economy in glowing terms in an April 2006 column. It?s ?an American boom, spurred by lower tax rates, huge profits, big productivity, plentiful jobs, and an ongoing free-market capitalist resiliency. It?s also a global boom, marked by a spread of free-market capitalism like we?ve never seen before,? he wrote.

A Penny Spent ?
More than one-third of the depression and recession stories (17 of the 49 reports) drew actual comparisons to the Great Depression or warned of an economic collapse of that size.
NBC ?Nightly News? anchor Brian Williams warned of ?ominous news? in a Jan. 30, 2006, story. ?The Commerce Department reports that American?s personal savings was negative last year, clocking in at minus .5 percent,? he explained. ?The last time the national savings rate was this low was 1933, just after the bottom of the Great Depression.?
But 2006 looked nothing like 1933. ?It was the worst slump in history, and the most protracted,? wrote Paul Johnson in the introduction of Murray N. Rothbard?s book America?s Great Depression. ?At one point 34 million men, women, and children were without any income at all,? Johnson continued.
Though the savings rate may be similar now, even CBS explained why Americans? savings were what they were in 2006. Standard & Poor?s chief economist, David Wyss, said in a CBS report, ?It?s the rise in the value of the stocks. The rise in the value of your house. And, you know, those have been going up nicely enough that most people don?t see why they have to save any more on top of that.?
Still, the media continued to use the savings comparison in February, March, April, July, August and November reports. But then in December, CBS warned of a possible recession if spending slowed.
A report by Anthony Mason about lower consumer spending during the CBS ?Early Show? on Dec. 14, 2006, included downbeat comments from University of Maryland economist Peter Morici. He said if consumers were too concerned about other economic factors like housing and ?turned the spigot off on spending all at once, we would slide into a recession quite easily.?
Reports on declining housing prices also made the buyer?s market sound like a bad thing for the economy ? throwing in Great Depression references though average home prices had increased by a whopping 52.3 percent between 2001 and 2005.
On the Nov. 1, 2006, ?Evening News,? CBS?s Anthony Mason included a bleak statement by Mark Zandi of Economy.com. Of the decline in housing prices, Zandi said, ?It?s unprecedented. You?d have to go back all the way to the Great Depression to find a year in which house prices declined.?
But according to Walter Molony of the National Association of Realtors, 2006 was not a year in decline. The organization projects that the average median home price for 2006 was $222,100, a little more than one percent higher than the 2005 median home price. But the temporary decline in prices during 2006 ? coming off record highs in the housing market ? certainly did not equate with homelessness, starvation or economic despair.
In addition to that negative coverage, two reports raised the threat of an economic collapse as devastating at the Great Depression. A report by CBS?s Bill Phillips on Oct. 30, 2006, offered a ?dire prediction from the British government? about how global warming would affect world economies.
?World economies, it [the Stern Report] says, must invest one percent of their GNP now to reduce global warming gases, or it warns there will be a planet-wide slowdown of 20 percent due to drought, floods and general economic collapse,? said Phillips as the screen flashed footage of a man walking in a dust cloud. ?That?s a catastrophe on the scale of the Great Depression of the 1930s.?

Nothing to Fear But the Fed, and Everything Else
News reporters, anchors and experts found fears of possible recession in many places, including news of high gas prices or that the Federal Reserve might raise interest rates and send the economy into a tailspin.
After a two-day stock tumble of 245 points in early June, mistrust of the Fed surfaced. ?The stock market is worried that the Federal Reserve may go too far. They may hike interest rates too many times and therefore send the economy into a recession,? said Alan Skrainka, chief strategist for Edward Jones investment firm during ABC?s ?Good Morning America? on June 7, 2006.
But just two months later on August 8, ABC?s Terry Moran wanted to know why the Fed had stopped raising rates. ?Why stop now?? he asked on ?World News with Charles Gibson.
Gas prices also sparked fear on CBS?s ?Early Show.? ?[H]ow long can we be used to prices this high before it sort of slips the United States into recession?? asked Tom Kloza, publisher of the Oil Price Information Service, on Feb. 3, 2006. Just one day earlier the national average for a gallon of gasoline was $2.355 according to AAA, almost 70 cents lower than the 2006 high of $3.036 on Aug. 10.
Then there was the housing market once again. In an Oct. 3, 2006, ?Evening News? story about the record-high Dow Industrial average, CBS?s Anthony Mason found time to talk recession. After quoting a ?California retiree? who didn?t trust that the stock market would continue its rally, Mason said, ?She?s not alone. With existing home prices falling for the first time in more than a decade and a new study showing homeowners spending more and more of their incomes on housing costs, some Wall Street analysts see another bubble in the economy.?
Mason referred to the 2000 stock market bubble and post-9/11 recession and cautioned about dangers of ?another bubble? in housing. Only a few weeks after Mason?s report, the Dow went to a record-high close of 12,000.
The Dec. 16, 2006, Washington Post offered some good news on the housing front. ?[A]lmost gone are analysts? worries that the slumping housing market would curb consumer spending and trigger a recession,? wrote Post staff writer Nell Henderson.

If at First You?re Wrong, Try, Try Again
When media predictions were wrong about the Fed, housing, and oil prices prompting a recession, reporters simply moved recession worries to stories for 2007.
?I would say right now the brilliant minds are saying soft landing, but there is a significant minority out there who say we have a 30-percent-plus chance of a recession,? said CNBC?s Erin Burnett during the ?Today? show on NBC Sept. 4, 2006.
During a Dec. 14, 2006, report, ?The Early Show? on CBS included an economist predicting a 2007 recession if shoppers didn?t keep spending.
But according to an AFP story from Jan. 14, 2007, in hindsight the 2006 economy was looking better, and economists had upgraded the forecast ?after surprisingly strong data.? The article cited Lehman Brothers chief U.S. economist Ethan Harris: ?After slowing in November, the economy seems to have regained its stride.?
The article also stated that unemployment was holding at 4.5 percent, average wages were up 4.2 percent for 2006, and even retail sales were strong, increasing 0.9 percent in the month of December.
Despite the network emphasis on depression and recession, there was a little optimism to be found. CBS?s Anthony Mason remarked that the U.S. was in a Goldilocks economy ?Not too hot, not too cold, but just right,? on May 5, 2006 ?Evening News.?
But out of the 49 stories, only one stated that recession fears ?have now given way to optimism.? That was ABC reporter Betsy Stark?s assessment on Oct. 3, 2006, during ?World News.?
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In campaign speeches and on his website, John Kerry tells us that President Bush has ?the worst economic record since the Hoover administration.? Herbert Hoover, of course, presided over the start of the Great Depression in 1929.

And Bush presided over the start of the great depression in 2008. Smart man, John Kerry.

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Bush left Obama a shitheap like Hoover left Roosevelt. Argue with THOSE facts, doggie.
 
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--on your grammer issue--as I told you before I see no need for spell check--I am really quite comfortable with myself--and have had 0 problems in real life or relating to those I have met here--whether it be in general issues handicapping-stocks issues--or any others. Hitting that little spell check button is not a priority.

You and your brother Tramp on the other hand have zero credibilty on any issue--and your spellcheck and trying to continuously correct everyone is only means of trying to make anyone think you got a clue period. Everyone knows the type.--but your be unable to detect even the most flagrant of grifts -as your chart--isn't helping you any. :)

Maybe you each could run 12 shifts detecting all the errors you can find here--that still leaves you time to campaign for all those taxes hikes on the productive to raise your standard of living.

The difference is that I don't use the spell check. I'm just advising that you do. :facepalm:
 

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And Bush presided over the start of the great depression in 2008. Smart man, John Kerry.

Bush left Obama a shitheap like Hoover left Roosevelt. Argue with THOSE facts, doggie.
If it were 1934 instead of 2010, Doggie would shouting from the rooftops that FDR caused the Great Depression. He would lay NONE of the blame upon the Hoover Administration.

The only explanation for Doggie is...

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"Ya just can't fix stupid!"
 

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Here is quote from 11-2006 in response to 4.6 unemploment #'s being released.

"The President has the worst jobs record since the Great Depression, and the economy is slowing due to the housing slump. The budget and trade deficits as well as public debt levels have all climbed to record levels," Pelosi said.

Today Nancy Pelosi claimed that the economy was in the worst shape since the Great Depression. She was responding to President Bush's enthusiasm for the recently released 4.4% unemployment rate.

Okay, now we're getting somewhere. Thanks for the post, even though most of it was not appropriate for my question. The only arguable thing in Pelosi's statement was her comment about the worst JOBS RECORD, and she made no such comment that the economy was in the worst shape since the depression. That was my point, she never said what you have been maintaining she said.

And, since this has been proven to be incorrect on your part, perhaps you can tell me how the rest of her statement is incorrect?

"the economy is slowing due to the housing slump. The budget and trade deficits as well as public debt levels have all climbed to record levels," Pelosi said.

The economy was slowing due to the housing slump. The budget and trade deficits, and the public debt levels (which are the main reason for ANY positive financial ratings by Bush - the public buying everything on credit) all climbed to record levels.

It's good to know that from now on you cannot misstate Pelosi's comment without being called on it. And most of it remains a true statement of the facts of the time.
 

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To clarify, the person who said that about the economy - not jobs record - was the author of the "Say Anything" blog, which is where you got the information you posted, and not Pelosi.

I think that says a lot, doesn't it? Your "source" is the "Say Anything" blog?

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To burn or not to burn?That is the question.The only reason I would burn it is because its a false religion,its trash.I would not burn it because of 9/11 or Insane,I mean Imam Raul.

I do agree with Jones on one Issue.Islam is devil worship.:0008
 

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To burn or not to burn?That is the question.The only reason I would burn it is because its a false religion,its trash.I would not burn it because of 9/11 or Insane,I mean Imam Raul.

I do agree with Jones on one Issue.Islam is devil worship.:0008

Opps!Wrong thread I moved it.:shrug:
 

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"the economy is slowing due to the housing slump. The budget and trade deficits as well as public debt levels have all climbed to record levels," Pelosi said.

The economy was slowing due to the housing slump. The budget and trade deficits, and the public debt levels (which are the main reason for ANY positive financial ratings by Bush - the public buying everything on credit) all climbed to record levels.
I think DTB's the only guy in America that still believes McCain's assertion 2 years ago that "the fundamentals of our economy are strong".

It's curious that we then had to prop up our "fundamentally strong" economy with $700 Billion in TARP funds, another $787 Billion in stimulus funding and pass sweeping financial reforms and regulations.
 
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