To all the Seachicken whiners

[gjn23]

STFU

:fingerc: :violin: moon1

Want the truth, here it is........

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=wojciechowski_gene&id=2322300

 

[Glenn Quagmire]

STFU

:fingerc: :violin: moon1

Want the truth, here it is........

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=wojciechowski_gene&id=2322300

Way to go, you found one of the VERY few articles that doesn't place blame on the refs. Should I post the 10-15 articles that I've already read that say the refs were absolutely horrendous and had a HUGE outcome on the game? Nice try though...

 

[gman2]

counterpoint:

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/wcStory?contentId=5311588

 

[Glenn Quagmire]

counterpoint:

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/wcStory?contentId=5311588

Yep. And note the Kevin Hench article just to the right of the Big Ben article. But what am I saying, the refs played no part in the outcome of that game...

 

[Clem D]

Things happen.. the Seahawks made a lot of mistakes but to think that the refs didn't affect this games outcome is nuts.

The offensive interference while ticky tack could have been called. However i've seen it not called plenty.

Ben's td the ref ran in from his place with his hand up to spot the ball for 4th down only to change his mind and call it a td. No angle shows the ball crossing the plane.

The holding penalty on the Stephens catch was called universally a joke by all in the know.

When was the last time you saw a Qb throw a pick make a hard tackle and get called with a 15yard illegal block.

Seattle may not have one the game had these calls not been made but Im quite sure it would not have been an 11 point win for Pitt.

Nice touch that the side judge who made a few of the calls was from Pitt and according to The USA Today was a Steeler fan.


The Bottom line is in the Super Bowl it should be about the players not the Refs.
What happened to if its a close call let them play?

 

[gjn23]

well, if 15 idiits pursue the same post-game storyline of seattle got screwed because the game was boring then that story MUST be true....right?

sure looked like roth got in to me.....and the ref who was running down the line to spot the ball was running on the goal line.....so the call on the field was a td.....did you see anything CONCLUSIVE to overturn that? NO.....ruling on the field stands.

what's so hard about this......i didnt see one completely botched call like the call in the steelers/colts game or the broncos/pats game.......

seattle was called for 7 penalties.......all of which were legit except for the penalty on hasselback DURING the runback of his int......

pit made 3 plays to win the game

seattle made 1, an int when pitt was going in to seal the game in the 3rd q

seattle butchered the clock both halves, butchered the entire 1q when pitt was totally out of sync and seattle had field position, butchered a basic running play that went for the longest td in super bowl history, steven butchered plenty of wide open passes, etc, etc, etc

why is this such a debate?

 

[gjn23]

shit, if we're gonna cry like this.....then the bears must have gotten screwed as well vs carolina....let me go watch the game again and point out a few ? calls that definitely changed the outcome of the game.....hold on.

 

[Glenn Quagmire]

Ben's td the ref ran in from his place with his hand up to spot the ball for 4th down only to change his mind and call it a td. No angle shows the ball crossing the plane.

When was the last time you saw a Qb throw a pick make a hard tackle and get called with a 15yard illegal block.?

While there were a lot of plays that can be debated, these are the two that stick out to me. I've never said that the Steelers wouldn't have scored on the 4th down play. In all probability they probably would have. But as you said, the side judge had ruled it fourth down and was pointing to the ground as if he was going to spot it short of the plane. Replays show Ben was closest to crossing the plane in mid-air, then got pushed back when he was tackled. He was clearly NOT over the plane when he was lying on the ground. I never saw it, but rumor has it that after he was down and the play was dead Ben reached the ball over the plane. Is that when the ref suddenly changed his mind and called it a TD??? If they had called him short and then overturned it on a review that would have been one thing. But to completely change your ruling after the play had been blown dead was awful.

The Hass play speaks for itself. I guess they thought he was trying to block somebody, but when he actually MADE the tackle you would think they wouldn't have botched the call. Maybe this will spawn a new rule, kind of like the Tuck Rule. From now on ballcarries can only be tackled from the waist up... :mj07:

 

[Sun Tzu]

Maybe Arizona didnt get screwed v Duke either. I'm sure you never complained about that, or still did 5 years later!

Looks like your litmus test must be the result rather than the facts.

I didnt care about either team. Didnt bet the game. And anybody who says Seattle didnt get scrwed is full of shit imho.

 

[Clem D]

sure looked like roth got in to me.....and the ref who was running down the line to spot the ball was running on the goal line.....so the call on the field was a td.....did you see anything CONCLUSIVE to overturn that? NO.....ruling on the field stands.



Everything I have read says that the ref in that spot calls the TD from his position and then runs to the spot.. OR signals the down with one hand and comes in to spot the ball. The Latter is clearly what he was doing and then changed his mind.

Why? What did he see that they didn't show on TV.

As for you thinking Ben got in that is your opinion, but from what I've seen on tv , read and heard on the radio, you are in the minority.

 

[gjn23]

the hasselback penalty....WHO CARES.....he already threw the pick....bad call, yes.....but all it did was give pitt 15 more yards.....they run that same trick play from 10 yards further from the seattle endzone and guess what.....IT'S STILL A TOUCHDOWN.

as for the goal line call....yes it looked like the ref was running in to spot the ball, watch the game...he was running in with his spot on the goal line.....i said at the time "what the hell is he gonna do, spot the ball on the goalline and say 4th down.....he quickly realized it should have been ruled a TD and called it as such....now on the replay, the lead ref got it right...NOTHING ON THAT REPLAY SHOWED THAT HE DEFINITELY DIDNT CROSS THE GOALLINE

again.....it's sour grapes and sore losers looking for reasons why they lost.......the refs deciding the outcome of a game was miami-ohio state in the fiesta bowl a few years ago......last play of the game, game over??? nope, here's a flag for ya luckeyes.

 

[Glenn Quagmire]

well, if 15 idiits pursue the same post-game storyline of seattle got screwed because the game was boring then that story MUST be true....right?

sure looked like roth got in to me.....and the ref who was running down the line to spot the ball was running on the goal line.....so the call on the field was a td.....did you see anything CONCLUSIVE to overturn that? NO.....ruling on the field stands.

what's so hard about this......i didnt see one completely botched call like the call in the steelers/colts game or the broncos/pats game.......

seattle was called for 7 penalties.......all of which were legit except for the penalty on hasselback DURING the runback of his int......

pit made 3 plays to win the game

seattle made 1, an int when pitt was going in to seal the game in the 3rd q

seattle butchered the clock both halves, butchered the entire 1q when pitt was totally out of sync and seattle had field position, butchered a basic running play that went for the longest td in super bowl history, steven butchered plenty of wide open passes, etc, etc, etc

why is this such a debate?

Yeah, you're right. Because usually after every SB journalists from all over the country write about how one team got screwed by the refs. Happens every year, right? As for Roth getting in, even he himself said on Letterman he didn't think he got in. I've seen the replay a ton of times and I don't see anything showing that he ever crossed the plane. I did, however, see the ref call him down and signal 4th down, then change his ruling at least 5 seconds after the play had been blown dead. I can understand doing that if there was a pile that needed to be uncovered, but Ben was lying on the ground with the ball visible. Why not rule it a TD immediately?

Wow. Seattle only made one good play all game huh? And it was the interception? They also had a TD, a TD that was nullified, a big punt return that was, of course, nullified, a catch down to the 1 that was, again, nullified... sense a theme here?

Nobody is arguing that they made mistakes but it's ridiculous to try and defend the refs. They were awful. You're fighting a losing battle here...

 

[Roger Baltrey]

Jgn,

I had the over, no bet on Steelers' It looked like the deck was stacked against the Seachickens. You would whine if it were your team. Doesn't mean they didn't play like chit, they did. But...........a Ref from Pittsburgh????? That's ridiculous.

 

[Sun Tzu]

I guess the fact that the biggest call of the game was made by a lifelong Steeler fan from Pitt is just a coincidence too. Be sure and write USA Today and tell the writer he is a whiner for even mentioning it.

 

[Glenn Quagmire]

again.....it's sour grapes and sore losers looking for reasons why they lost.......the refs deciding the outcome of a game was miami-ohio state in the fiesta bowl a few years ago......last play of the game, game over??? nope, here's a flag for ya luckeyes.

This is what pisses me off more than anything. Yes, I wanted Seattle to win. But I'm not bitching simply because Seattle lost, I'm bitching because the officiating in the NFL has become a mockery. I still say the Troy Polamolu "incompletion" in the Indy game is the worst call I've ever seen. The call was bad enough, but to look at the replay and NOT overtun that call is a travesty. But wait... I bet on Indy in that game. That wouldn't be sour grapes now would it?

I'm sick of watching the NFL become the NBA. To have officials crap the bed like that in the frigging Super Bowl is unforgivable.

 

[Clem D]

Not to mention the theme of this thread is just to start siht and rub salt in some wounds.

Spin that anyway you want

 

[gjn23]

yes...teams do get screwed by the refs

arizona vs duke

maryland vs duke

much worse than this game........

people are complaining about what, 7 penalties, 4 of which totally were legit, 2 of which could have gone either way (jackson's push and the holding penalty on locklear) and 1 of which was a bad call, personal foul penalty by the qb AFTER an int by the qb? ...i dont understand? which call changes the game? where exaclty did seattle get royally screwed?????

 

[DeDe]

I guess the fact that the biggest call of the game was made by a lifelong Steeler fan from Pitt is just a coincidence too. Be sure and write USA Today and tell the writer he is a whiner for even mentioning it.

unreal..

 

[gjn23]

just calling it as i see it....had no money on the steelers or the seachickens.....just had prop bets.....did the call's "seem" to go against seattle? yes because they were at critical times after plays were made? were they penalties? yes!!

are the refs bad? generally yes.....
were they bad in this game? i saw one truly BAD call.....the penalty on hasselback.
do the refs need to get better? yes
are the refs the reason seattle lost? no chance, seattle lost this game on their own

 

[Sun Tzu]

You arent serious?

The offensive pi is a 4 point penalty.

The holding penalty cost Seattle another 7. Not to mention Pitt was offsides on the play which of course also wasnt called.

What was the final score?

And that doesnt even get into the no calls on Pitt, or the fact that the bogus hasselback penalty put Pitt in the field position to call the trick play - they dont run that play - another 7 points - unless they are across midfield.

Heck nobody even discusses the Stevens incomplete call that was a fumble, or they cite it as a plus for Seattle. Fact is the ball rolled out of bounds at the Pitt 10. If thatis ruled correctly, instead of blown dead, Seattle has first/goal instead of punting.