It is tough to compare different era's...
It takes more than a "little" pressure to stop him... :0003
Tom Brady is the greatest QB of all time
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It is tough to compare different era's...
It takes more than a "little" pressure to stop him... :0003
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Denver beat his ass in the ground
2-15 third down attempts
2-4 4th down attempts
QB rating of 56.4 w/2 INT's
when the opposing offense had a whopping 244 yards of total offense.
and the opposing QB..gave him the ball w/an INT and only amassed 179 yards passing like a boroken down mule
Pats never led in the game and where down 20-12 w/13 seconds left w/a late score making the final look closer than it actually was..
Pressure............he succumbs to it..plain and simple ..ya get him off his spot and ya pound him to the dirt..
greatest of all time...certainly is the conversation when the main criteria is SB wins..
not a mortal lock for the title...rules changes alone make that comparison invalid..
now 4-0 Joe in an Era when it was legal to decapitate an opposing player and mug anyone going out for a pass ...you can start their w/the comparisons
13 TD's no Int's and a QB rating of 127.8 for the 4 biggest games in his life.
the biggest stage w/near perfect performance
Super Bowl Stats
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| Year | SB | Tm | Opp | Result | Cmp | Att | Yds | TD | Int | Lng | Rate | Att | Yds | TD | Lng | Rec | Yds | TD | Lng |
| 1981 | XVI | SFO | CIN | W, 26-21 | 14 | 22 | 157 | 1 | 22 | 100.0 | 6 | 18 | 1 | 7 | |||||
| 1984 | XIX | SFO | MIA | W, 38-16 | 24 | 35 | 331 | 3 | 40 | 127.2 | 5 | 59 | 1 | 19 | |||||
| 1988 | XXIII | SFO | CIN | W, 20-16 | 23 | 36 | 357 | 2 | 44 | 115.2 | 4 | 13 | 11 | ||||||
| 1989 | XXIV | SFO | DEN | W, 55-10 | 22 | 29 | 297 | 5 | 38 | 147.6 | 2 | 15 | 10 | ||||||
| Career | 4 | 83 | 122 | 1142 | 11 | 44 | 127.8 | 17 | 105 | 2 | 19 |
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Hall of Fame
8x Pro Bowl
3x All-Pro
4x SB Champ
2x MVP
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I watched a good portion of their games as they were one of the best teams in football for a decade or more. When he went out with injury Earl Morrall (who was like 70 at the time) I believe kept them undefeated. Griese was a game manager with an average arm and made very few mistakes. If you use your criterion above then Russell Wilson is almost in the same category now. I love Russell Wilson but neither he nor Griese should be mentioned as one of best QBs of all time.
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now if the conversation was about regular season QB's there are no comparisons
:toast: and with a sub par coaches and d fence....
Getting his 2nd sb and going to 4 total I think locks him into the 'best ever' discussion....he did it in Era playing vs the top coach/qb tandem ever in brady/bilicick... and beat them on route to both his super bowl wins and I think the year they lost to Seattle...now if the conversation was about regular season QB's there are no comparisons
2 rings and 4 appearances combined with almost every regular season record that matters....I'd have no issue with someone selecting him as best ever
They way he manipulated defenses and called plays...throwing the ball to so many receivers
Brady is elite and also in the discussion....his style just isn't as fun to watch for me...5 yd passes and letting wrs run....still amazing that he can always find the open man but just not as exciting for me
Peyton to me is the funnest qb ever to watch on the field and has a helluva resume
Put Peyton with hoodie and I think they win even more then brady has
I really don't think you can pick "best ever"....every guy had different coaches/schemes/personnel/etc...if Montana played with bilicick....if brady had montanas wrs....if Peyton had Elway running backs....you can do it for everyone.....so really top 5-8 all deserve consideration
1. Montana
2. Brady
3. Manning
4. Unitas
5. Favre
6. Elway
7. Young
8. Marino
9. Aikman
10. Brees (I think most will disagree but he's done things that put him up here for me)
11. Staubach
12. Bradshaw
13. Starr
14. Griese
15. Big ben
16. Namath
Honorable mention- moon/warner/tarkenton
-Now, looking at Current qbs who can finish top 40 ever...
Rodgers will be there in the top 20 if isn't already... ecspecially if another title and continues padding stats....he just need to add some more yrs with consistency and he's a lock for top 20
Eli will never be considered top 20 but his playoff runs are unheralded and honestly beating the undefeated pats team was epic...his regular season success over the long term combined with his playoff success and he's top 40 ever already...has a chance to add to it
Rivers needed to win more playoff games and a title to ever sniff top 40 qbs of all time...
Flacco has to win more but helluva start his first 8 yrs
Matt Ryan needs this sb to vault himself into having a chance to finish top 40 ever
Russ Wilson has to do a lot more....he had best rb and defense for 3-4 yrs and benefited from it....needs to do more himself when teams down around him to be considered a top 40 type at end of career
Cam- needs to win consistently and stop being a diva bitch
Luck- to young to tell
Carr- see "luck"
To many variables and rules changes to pick best ever...but put gun to my head I'm saying Montana with brady a close 2 and Manning not far behind
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I think players and eras evolve. A good player of the 50s or 60's has to be considered as good now as he was then.
They would adapt to the size and conditioning and equipment of today. Otherwise you can't have this discussion.
I read some where that Mark Spitz Olympic records he set in swimming while winning 7 gold medals would not even qualify for the womans team today. Does that mean if he was in his prime he wouldn't be a record setting swimmer?
They would adapt to the size and conditioning and equipment of today. Otherwise you can't have this discussion.
I read some where that Mark Spitz Olympic records he set in swimming while winning 7 gold medals would not even qualify for the womans team today. Does that mean if he was in his prime he wouldn't be a record setting swimmer?
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What about me.................:0corn
both replace this guy
with all due respect to the addict..
Broadway Joe is probably the most overrated QB in NFL history
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/N/NamaJo00.htm
Oh boy I cannot believe I forgot Kellyboth replace this guy
with all due respect to the addict..
Broadway Joe is probably the most overrated QB in NFL history
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/N/NamaJo00.htm
Was going off top of head but yes if I had list in front of me, I agree with old school....Kelly for sure as well as fouts....
Namath I've only ever watched 3 of his game films..they were all wins so I suppose I only saw the good...
My dad is a huge raiders fan....huge fan....
Plunkett he loved....but he would have my head not putting Stabler on this list....he thinks he's most underrated qb to play the game....and all the guy did was win....Plunkett and Stabler probably both deserve top 25 consideration....my dad would have Stabler top 10 just because all he did was win....Plunkett longevity hurts his status some but he was a legend for his time
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I'd probably personally take Favre over all but brady/manning/Montana
I love his competitiveness and durability...
Combine that with an electric arm and a passion for the game of football and it's deadly....but the key for
me, similar to big ben now, was his ability to create...his improvisational skills were unmatched and he was a winner
Besides Manning he was probably the 2nd most entertaining qb to watch play the game in my opinion
Brady deserves either the 1 or 1.A spot on this list, but schemes and styles make him less fun to watch....but I'd take him over all else most likely besides joe...
I wish we could have seen brady without bilicick for at least a few years....having that coach makes it hard to determine who was more valuable and crucial to the pats long term success...I mean hoodie went 3-1 with jacoby brissett and Jimmy garropolo....those two couldn't maintain long term like brady has, but makes you wonder if any of the upper Escalon qbs could win in that system .....rivers/romo/Carson palmer...I'm curious and always will be to know if guys at that similar talent level could have become legends with hoodie....
But again I can't allow that to take away from what brady has accomplished....this thread is about brady being best ever....and regardless of coach/era/schemes, it's impossible to not have him top 3 of all and most likely 1 or 2....
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I love his competitiveness and durability...
Combine that with an electric arm and a passion for the game of football and it's deadly....but the key for
me, similar to big ben now, was his ability to create...his improvisational skills were unmatched and he was a winner
Besides Manning he was probably the 2nd most entertaining qb to watch play the game in my opinion
Brady deserves either the 1 or 1.A spot on this list, but schemes and styles make him less fun to watch....but I'd take him over all else most likely besides joe...
I wish we could have seen brady without bilicick for at least a few years....having that coach makes it hard to determine who was more valuable and crucial to the pats long term success...I mean hoodie went 3-1 with jacoby brissett and Jimmy garropolo....those two couldn't maintain long term like brady has, but makes you wonder if any of the upper Escalon qbs could win in that system .....rivers/romo/Carson palmer...I'm curious and always will be to know if guys at that similar talent level could have become legends with hoodie....
But again I can't allow that to take away from what brady has accomplished....this thread is about brady being best ever....and regardless of coach/era/schemes, it's impossible to not have him top 3 of all and most likely 1 or 2....
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Being from buffalo I'm biased but I thought you were kidding when you didn't mention Jim... :SIB
Nooooo no no
For some reason I forgot him
For some reason he lands closer to 15-20 on most sites "best ever" lists...if he would have won even one of the super bowls, I'm sure he'd be higher on most....cause he was surgical in a tough offense and I'm pretty sure he called all his plays....that is tough to do and he did it while managing to rack up stats....and wins....Guy was impressive
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Here is why Brady is best ever.. NFL with salary cap is built to shift competitive balance so there are no dynasties.. He's done this with 3 different sets of players.. Montana and those guys from those eras didn't have cap and had the same super stars year after year. They didn't need OTAS and mini camps etc. Brady just lost his best offensive playmaker in Gronk and is on verge of winning
