flapjack said:
Seeing your post upsets me flapjack, because I know that somewhere out there, there is a floor that needs mopping, and you are neglecting it!!!
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Trev Alberts 5 most overrated teams....
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Seeing your post upsets me flapjack, because I know that somewhere out there, there is a floor that needs mopping, and you are neglecting it!!!
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keep focusing on non-relevant points and avoid the facts....its your mantra.
HERE IS A FACT:
1 regular season OOC win vs a bcs team in 7 years.....(using your rationale) vs a pathetic syracuse squad......CONGRATS on that inflated overall record, la manroe, la tech, citadale, etc at home, must have been struggles.
HERE IS A FACT:
1 regular season OOC win vs a bcs team in 7 years.....(using your rationale) vs a pathetic syracuse squad......CONGRATS on that inflated overall record, la manroe, la tech, citadale, etc at home, must have been struggles.
You seem obsessed with mops. Did your Mommy run away with the school janitor? I've always been intrigued by what would make someone willfully live in a place like Birmingham, AL. Other than making guest appearances on Cops, what do you do for a living down in those parts?
This is the same crap argument that goes on in here every year...
Question - Has the PAC 10 EVER, repeat, EVER had 50% or more of its teams ranked in the top 25 during the course of a single season? In ANY pole?
Scott's answer - The polester's across the country are all biased towards the SEC and are all stupid idiots. Did I remember the argument correctly?
-Stuman
Question - Has the PAC 10 EVER, repeat, EVER had 50% or more of its teams ranked in the top 25 during the course of a single season? In ANY pole?
Scott's answer - The polester's across the country are all biased towards the SEC and are all stupid idiots. Did I remember the argument correctly?
-Stuman
i believe the answer is yes......many times.......what else?
it's about "dominance".....i see most of the conf as being close in talent.....a few from the south see the sec a dominant.....couldnt disagree more, no one conf is dominant.
it's about "dominance".....i see most of the conf as being close in talent.....a few from the south see the sec a dominant.....couldnt disagree more, no one conf is dominant.
Not to get off topic, but this is a gambling forum.
Can anyone name the 3 SEC teams that have a .500+ non-conference ATS record over the last 7 years?
Can anyone name the 8 Pac 10 teams that have a .500+ non-conference record over the last 7 years?
Out of the 5 main conferences, I prefer the Pac 10's style the least, but you can throw them all in a hat and maybe the SEC's marignally better than the rest and the Pac 10's marginally worse than the rest, but they're all pretty close.
And to think anything different will cost you $$$$
Can anyone name the 3 SEC teams that have a .500+ non-conference ATS record over the last 7 years?
Can anyone name the 8 Pac 10 teams that have a .500+ non-conference record over the last 7 years?
Out of the 5 main conferences, I prefer the Pac 10's style the least, but you can throw them all in a hat and maybe the SEC's marignally better than the rest and the Pac 10's marginally worse than the rest, but they're all pretty close.
And to think anything different will cost you $$$$
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gjn23 said:
Please enlighten me as to when.
Better yet, do you know of a web site that archives the week to week rankings from the past? There are a few other things I'd like to check on also.
I can go along with that.
-Stuman
Stuman said:
NO!
What is the #1 criteria in getting ranked? WINS! Doesn't matter the opponent or where the game is played. Wins will get you ranked in the top 25.
What is the #1 criteria in becoming bowl eligible? WINS! Other than beating a 1aa school, it doesn't matter. Get 6 wins and you are bowl eligible.
Why were 2 SEC teams on Alberts top 5 "over-rated" list? How come the SEC has so many teams ranked in the top 25 if it is such a superior conf.? YOU NEED WINS to be ranked in the top 25. If the SEC is so great, how come they get so many teams in the top 25? One reason is the SEC plays $hit OOC schedule and the SEC is afraid to play on road. That results in WINS! Another reason is every SEC team misses out on playing 3 conf. opponents. SEC honks always forget to mention that. But they love to say, how would you like to play FL, TN, AU, UGA, LSU.
There is a reason nobody on MJ's has posted a great argument supporting the SEC being vastly superior. THERE IS NO ARGUMENT! Look at all the intelligent posts by those who are arguing against the SEC. They support there opinion. SEC honks just say "SEC is superior" "SEC is the best conf. in country" "SEC has so many teams ranked in the top 25" "SEC teams are poor so we need to play at home" "SEC doesn't need to travel because we are the best" "SEC has the most passionate fans and we fill stadiums" "SEC has to play piss poor OOC because conf. games are sooo tough"
bla, bla, bla.
I want to hear some intelligent arguments supporting the SEC. How about stating your opinion and backing it up. Who cares if you think the SEC is the best. TELL US WHY! I think the SEC is a great conf. and I love watching SEC football games. However, the SEC is not vastly superior to the Pac 10 or other BCS conf. One argument is not even about the other conf. it is about the SEC not proving themselves. SEC just plays SEC teams. That is it. Nothing to judge. I am sorry. I hold teams and conf. accountable and I choose not to be gullible thinking the SEC is superior. Auburn and the SEC last year were exposed on how they structure there conf. It cost them and their conf. a chance at a national championship. Funny how I brought that up a year before that and explained it in detail. I love being right!
Scott4USC said:
Scott,
I'm not sure what you're ranting about. :shrug: I never stated an opinion of any kind. What exactly do I need to back up? I simply pointed out the FACT that the SEC has a higher percentage of its teams ranked in the top 25 (than the PAC 10) every year. This has been going on for the past 40 years. That fact is NOT my opinion.
You claim the reason for this is because the poles are based on nothing but wins. That, my friend, is YOUR OPINION. How about backing up that opinion? Please show all of us - beyond a shadow of a doubt - how the polesters across the nation are "forced" to rank SEC teams higher than PAC 10 teams.
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watch any poll after a sec team loses to another sec team...their drop in the rankings is insignificant.....when a pac-10 team loses to another pac-10 team, the drop is huge (same applies in hoops as well)......it called a built in pre-conceived notion that conf x is much better than conf y.
Stuman said:
Here are some reasons why pollsters don't rank Pac-10 very high:
Texas Tech 45
Cal 31
Wyoming 24
UCLA 21
Oklahoma St. 31
UCLA 20
Boise St. 53
Oreg. St. 34
Indiana 30
Oregon 24
Colorado 20
Wash. St. 12
Utah 23
Arizona 6
Notre Dame 23
Stanford 15
* see Washington's entire schedule
These are just a few, there are many more. The Pac-10 just doesn't stack up to the other big dogs, and definitely not the SEC.
I'm through arguing. I will be back when it is time to start gambling.
I can't wait for college gameday!! I love when Trev and Mark rip on each other the entire show each week. Just hilarious!! Even if I'm having a bad day those two jokers make me laugh! I think Trev is pretty much dead nuts with his overrated teams predictions....good luck to all this season!!
Suprise, suprise that Oklahoma is on there, coming from Nebraska. Trev is a idiot. I'm suprised he didn't put Ohio State up there as well.
Stuman said:
The last 2 paragraphs in my post were not specifically directed to you. I separated them with large space but I was clear about it. You are right that it is a fact the SEC has more teams ranked in the top 25. But I think that is a weak argument "IF" people want to use that as a criteria for SEC being a vastly superior conf.
When someone states their opinion, you can support it with facts or explain why you feel that way. My post was to those who say the SEC is #1 but that is all they say. That shows me a sign of zero intelligence and a worthless post. Who cares if you think the SEC is #1 or superior to the Pac 10. Explain "why" you think that way.
Stuman said:
Nobody is forced to rank anybody. But the more wins a team has the higher ranked you are. Pollsters do not really take in account who a team plays or where a team plays. If team A was ranked #10 in country and team B was ranked #15, and Team A traveled to USC and lost vs Team B played at home and beat div. 1aa school, Team A most likely would get bumped past team B. Why? WINS! I would NEVER put team B ahead of team A. I might put "other" teams ahead, but def. not team B. If you are a big fan of CFB, you know this type of an example happens ALL the time in the polls.
gjn23 brought up a good point and it is true.
POLLS are based on wins/losses. Pollsters usually don't watch football all day and half of them prob. don't even stay up to watch west coast football. I don't have problem with that but west coast teams "shouldn't" get penalized for it. So if "all" the pollsters are watching say "SEC" games and half the pollsters are watching "Pac 10" games, which conf. is going to get more respect? FYI, USC is the only west coast team that gets respect from east coast. Washington gets some respect but they don't get nearly same respect as USC. Other west coast teams get ZERO respect. Look at Heisman Trophy's, polls, BCS NC games etc to support that statement.
Same as BOWL TEAMS! Get 6 wins against div. 1a schools and you are bowl eligible. Doesn't matter who you play or where you play, just get those 6 wins. You know each conf. is guaranteed a min. bowl allotment. So if "someone" tries to compare # SEC bowl teams vs # Pac 10 Bowl teams, that is a "flawed" argument.
Scott4USC said:
Horseshit!!! Go tell that BS to the BYU's, Boise St's, etc of the country.... :bs: :bs:
Pollsters do in fact take into account who teams play and that is precisely why the SEC teams that lose to other powerful SEC teams do not drop very far in the polls.... Why? Because the SEC is a tough conference.... Geeze! :cursin:
...and USC is the only west coast team to get any respect from the pollsters because they are the only west coast team that deserves any. :scared :scared
taoist....nice argument to throw in teams from non bcs conf....those teams will NEVER get respect for wins.
you're proving my point...."sec teams won drop when they lose to other sec teams because the sec is a tough conference".....SAYS WHO?
so when auburn 5-0 loses @ 5-0 arkansas...auburn wont drop much in the poll because the sec is a "tough conference"....SAYS WHO?...says the preconcieved perception of that conference...never mind that auburn/ark probably played a combined 4 d-2 games (out of 10 games) and their d-1 wins were against the citadels, la monroes, central arkansas of the world and their conf games were probably vs vandy and kentucky......impressive.
you're proving my point...."sec teams won drop when they lose to other sec teams because the sec is a tough conference".....SAYS WHO?
so when auburn 5-0 loses @ 5-0 arkansas...auburn wont drop much in the poll because the sec is a "tough conference"....SAYS WHO?...says the preconcieved perception of that conference...never mind that auburn/ark probably played a combined 4 d-2 games (out of 10 games) and their d-1 wins were against the citadels, la monroes, central arkansas of the world and their conf games were probably vs vandy and kentucky......impressive.
gjn23 said:
...apparently the guys that get to vote in the polls...along with almost everyone else on the planet besides you, scooter and a few other left coast dreamers.
...here's Tennessee's schedule for this season....
09/03/2005 Alabama-Birmingham
09/17/2005 @ Florida
09/24/2005 @ LSU
10/01/2005 Mississippi
10/08/2005 Georgia
10/22/2005 @ Alabama
10/29/2005 South Carolina
11/05/2005 @ Notre Dame
11/12/2005 Memphis
11/19/2005 Vanderbilt
11/26/2005 @ Kentucky
12/03/2005 SEC Championship Atlanta, Ga.
...now tell me again how all SEC teams schedule patsies?!!!??!?!? You go to a PAC 10 school and ask them if they'd play that line-up.... You'll likely get this reaction.... :scared :scared
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That's an amazing schedule for September and October until they get to the patsies like Vandy and ND.
