Truth stranger than fiction

[DOGS THAT BARK]

What new theme does O follow up with in yesterdays speech (after the pay as you go and era of responsibilty grifts- then predede to run up greatest debt in history?)

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Obama: My Vision Is An America Where We Live Within Our Means

:facepalm:

You just can't make this shit up

 

[ssd]

He means common day Americans....not the government.

It's a do as I say, not as I do attitude out of DC from all of them.

 

[Trench]

What new theme does O follow up with in yesterdays speech (after the pay as you go and era of responsibilty grifts- then predede to run up greatest debt in history?)

drum roll---

Obama: My Vision Is An America Where We Live Within Our Means

:facepalm:

You just can't make this shit up

Don't sell yourself short. You're pretty good at making shit up.

Once again... It was Bush who ran up the debt and nosedived the economy into the biggest crash since the Great Depression. Only economics-challenged right-wingers like yourself believe the largest economy in the world turns on a dime.

 

[Trampled Underfoot]

Don't sell yourself short. You're pretty good at making shit up.

Once again... It was Bush who ran up the debt and nosedived the economy into the biggest crash since the Great Depression. Only economics-challenged right-wingers like yourself believe the largest economy in the world turns on a dime.

doggie has some fucking nerve.

 

[Skulnik]

Obama is a FRAUD and some of you VOTED for the COCKSUCKER, Pity really.


JMHO


:facepalm:

 

[Chadman]

To his credit, he did say that after working on our serious financial problems he would turn his full attention to our debt. He said that more than once last year. Now it's this year, and he seems to be following through with that pledge. Now we'll see what's behind that pledge.

Yes, it is a bit of rhetoric, but there is plenty of that to go around these days. I'm happy to see him squarely focused on the debt - especially singling out reducing our debt interest payments - paying down the interest on our debt is without a doubt (IMO) the biggest waste of money we currently endure.

We'll see where we go from here. As I mentioned last year, unless he seriously goes after the debt THIS year, I probably cannot support him again (among some other reasons). But the republicans will have to come up with at least a decent candidate to make a difference. We'll see on both counts.

 

[ssd]

To lay the blame for tanking the economy squarely on Bush's shoulders is wrong, IMO.

9-11 and Katrina - can you blame him for those disasters? And the total cost to the economy?

Yes - the Iraq war and it's costs are on Bush's shoulders.

Anyway - I lay the blame on the tanking of the economy squarely on the Gov't in general, the FED (Greenspan particularly) as well as the people who pushed for easier regulations on home loans and in consequence, the banks who were pressured to make the loans to unqualified candidates leading to unabashed greed on Wall Street.

This Great Recession was not 'made' by Bush - it was years in the making and culminated during his term.

Read "The Big Short" - great book and it does a wonderful job in explaining Wall Street's role in all of this as well as the era of cheap money from the FED and how it created the Bubble in Housing.

Depression is the aftermath of credit expansion.

 

[The Sponge]

To lay the blame for tanking the economy squarely on Bush's shoulders is wrong, IMO.

9-11 and Katrina - can you blame him for those disasters? And the total cost to the economy?

Yes - the Iraq war and it's costs are on Bush's shoulders.

Anyway - I lay the blame on the tanking of the economy squarely on the Gov't in general, the FED (Greenspan particularly) as well as the people who pushed for easier regulations on home loans and in consequence, the banks who were pressured to make the loans to unqualified candidates leading to unabashed greed on Wall Street.

This Great Recession was not 'made' by Bush - it was years in the making and culminated during his term.

Read "The Big Short" - great book and it does a wonderful job in explaining Wall Street's role in all of this as well as the era of cheap money from the FED and how it created the Bubble in Housing.

Depression is the aftermath of credit expansion.

Oh i could blame 9/11 on him. Didn't the Britts warn him on August 6th about Bin Ladens plans? If this was a Democratic president the right would still be all over this and rightfully so. Unfortunately when the right says it is no time for the blame game the Dems fall for it hook line and sinker. And look at Phil Grahms finger prints when it comes to the housing crisis. Another wonderful Country killingTexan. anyone ever find out where Norad was on 9/11?

 

[Lumi]

Oh i could blame 9/11 on him. Didn't the Britts warn him on August 6th about Bin Ladens plans? If this was a Democratic president the right would still be all over this and rightfully so. Unfortunately when the right says it is no time for the blame game the Dems fall for it hook line and sinker. And look at Phil Grahms finger prints when it comes to the housing crisis. Another wonderful Country killingTexan. anyone ever find out where Norad was on 9/11?

Two Months Before 9/11, an Urgent Warning to Rice

 

[ssd]

I read the article - there was a lot of chatter,etc - would they have been able to stop the attack? they did not know the location, etc?

I don't know - while we are at it, let's blame Katrina on Bush as well?


What I am trying to convey here....the Great Recession was years in the making and the root cause goes across several administrations. Easy, cheap money from the FED coupled with unabridged greed on Wall Street = collapse.


I also do not feel that the policies implemented since have fixed anything nor averted the next one.

 

[The Sponge]

I read the article - there was a lot of chatter,etc - would they have been able to stop the attack? they did not know the location, etc?

I don't know - while we are at it, let's blame Katrina on Bush as well?


What I am trying to convey here....the Great Recession was years in the making and the root cause goes across several administrations. Easy, cheap money from the FED coupled with unabridged greed on Wall Street = collapse.


I also do not feel that the policies implemented since have fixed anything nor averted the next one.

i blame what i thought he should be blamed for. The facts are out there. Now u can throw in Katrina sarcastically being silly but i never said Katrina even tho he turned that into another mess. Is there anything that admistration did well for the middle class? Let me know when u think of one.

 

[ssd]

Sponge:
I am not a Bush defender. There is plenty of legitimate stuff out there to blame on the guy.

I just don't blame him for tanking the economy - too many other factors and too many others that deserve the blame there.

 

[The Sponge]

Sponge:
I am not a Bush defender. There is plenty of legitimate stuff out there to blame on the guy.

I just don't blame him for tanking the economy - too many other factors and too many others that deserve the blame there.

i think giving the tax breaks while going to war was an awful idea. That war and all the war profiteering was and is a killer. You can't blame it all on him but his moves made things worse. Is it possible that if we ever have another yearly surplus the next president can save it and not just blow it again? By the way SDD i enjoy talking with ya. U will actually take a step back and look at a situation again if someone has a valid point. These guys who have a problem with spending now, but were nowhere to be found in the Bush years, are the guys that just make me sick. I wish there were more guys like u on the right who have an open mind and would like to see the country get better instead of playing gotcha games. i know u say u are not on the right but seriously is their more then two party's? Let just say u lean right. By the way are u a mma fan?

 

[Chadman]

I think Bush deserves some of the blame as far as the devastation that was caused by Katrina. He certainly chose to repeatedly cut the funding requested by the Corps of Engineers there, by the state and local officials, and did so for years. There's no doubt Katrina was a "perfect storm" of sorts and would have caused great damage regardless. But it could have been lessened had the funding for these levees and flood control not be cut on a yearly basis. Why was it cut? Priorities, of course - spurred on mainly by the Iraq war but other things such as tax cuts, etc.

He certainly could have made other choices. He didn't. He has to share some of the blame for that - as he tries to take success from other things.

 

[Chadman]

And I can't stress enough how arguable his stance on tax cuts during a time of war?a war that he wanted?was and is. He was the first president to ever do that and stand for that. Which certainly shows a set of priorities.

 

[ssd]

Chadman:
Yes - cuts were made to the Corps' funding by Bush BUT they were also made by Bill Clinton. Do a little research and see how much he cut from their budget during his tenure as a means to balance the budget. As well as other projects that were proposed for the area that were opposed by environmental groups under Bush. Had some of those projects been implemented, the damage in N.Orleans could have been less significant. The levees were designed to withstand a Cat3 hurricane - Katrina was a Cat5 - people were warned a week in advance and living in the area, they should have all evacuated ahead of time. No one expected the levees to break but they did - yes, there would have still been massive structural damage but less loss of life.

Anyway - my point is, just like blaming the tanking economy on Bush - One president should not shoulder all the blame here - the damage is done across multiple administrations.
Same goes for when something goes well - Clinton should not take all the credit for a great economy - he was fortunate to be Prez when the internet exploded as well as enacting some good legislation.

Sponge - I am fiscally conservative and a libertarian. I do not vote a party line - I vote for the guy or gal who most likely will represent my views the best. Kucinich is my rep. I do not always agree with his view but I give the little man a helluva a lot of props for standing by his core principals. I wish more people in Congress had his backbone.

I do not follow mma....my free time is usually taken up with reading.

 

[Duff Miver]

Kucinich is my rep. I do not always agree with his view but I give the little man a helluva a lot of props for standing by his core principals. I wish more people in Congress had his backbone.

Yep Kucinich is a bit nusty; he sees flying saucers, but as you say, he makes his positions clear. With him, you get what you see.

 

[The Sponge]

Chadman:

I do not follow mma....my free time is usually taken up with reading.

Was this a backhanded comment :mj07:

 

[ssd]

Sponge:
Not at all - no offense intended. I have about a dozen books here that I haven't even started. I do not watch much TV and prefer to spend time with my family and read. To each his own.

:toast:

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

What new theme does O follow up with in yesterdays speech (after the pay as you go and era of responsibilty grifts- then predede to run up greatest debt in history?)

drum roll---

Obama: My Vision Is An America Where We Live Within Our Means

:facepalm:

You just can't make this shit up

The consequences--
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/d6c97342-69bd-11e0-826b-00144feab49a.html#axzz1JxXmUYHa
S&P SOUNDS ALARM ON USA

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2011/apr/18/us-economy-credit-rating
Wall Street shares slump as S&P downgrades US debt outlook

Ratings agency cuts long-term outlook from stable to negative for first time since Pearl Harbor attack 70 years ago
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---and to the "raise taxes on the rich"

pssst--Gumby--please read


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100...6267113524583554.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEADTop
Where the Tax Money Is

Obama targets the middle class while pretending to tax only the rich.

Consider the Internal Revenue Service's income tax statistics for 2008, the latest year for which data are available. The top 1% of taxpayers?those with salaries, dividends and capital gains roughly above about $380,000?paid 38% of taxes. But assume that tax policy confiscated all the taxable income of all the "millionaires and billionaires" Mr. Obama singled out. That yields merely about $938 billion, which is sand on the beach amid the $4 trillion White House budget, a $1.65 trillion deficit, and spending at 25% as a share of the economy, a post-World War II record.