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[packfan]

MY SUGGESTION TO YOU IS TO FIRST CORRECT YOUR GRAMMAR (I.E. "LOSED", "LIER") BEFORE YOU ENTER THE WORLD OF SPORTS GAMBLING. DIDNT YOU EVER HEAR THE PHRASE, "THERE'S NO SHORTCUTS IN LIFE." IF YOU WOULD HAVE DONE YOUR HOMEWORK AND ACTUALLY ATTEMPT TO CAP THE GAMES YOURSELF, YOU MIGHT HAVE FOUND SOME THINGS RAYMOND DIDN'T. BUT SINCE YOU DECIDED TO COATTAIL, YOU'RE IN 9K. I SUGGEST YOU STOP GAMBLING AND EARN MONEY WITH YOUR OWN HARD WORK INSTEAD OF TRYING TO GET RICH OFF OTHER PEOPLE'S KNOWLEDGE.

GOOD LUCK WITH THAT COURTCASE! (SARCASTIC TONE) :moon:

-PACKFAN

 

[cisco]

First time gambling? :violin: :violin:

 

[gecko]

Alright, so Raymond goes 9-11, big deal.

And this guy loses 9 dimes? Ever assumed personal responsibility for your actions, or have been a "follower" all your life?

Sounds like you got an agenda you P.O.S.:nono:

 

[thunderdoll]

I knew he was a dope!

I have watched Ray for almost a year now and along with a few others on here he is very accurate with his picks. Not to rub it in Bates but just last week Ray turned me on to KC as a big underdog. That was a nice payday.

Instead of tracking other cappers try capping your own. If a capper you have been following does not agree with your pick then don't play it.

What were the odds though of me knowing you are a dope. I'm glad I called it early because after that second post it would be a lot of wood to lay.

 

[THE HITMAN]

Ahhhhhhhh ..........I love it. This has all the makings of a good one. Who needs the Stooges or SNL when one can tune in here ? Hit Em.............THE HITMAN

 

[Bandit HVG]

excuse my english i'm not good for write it, but i bought ray's services like 10 day before he quit from gamblersdata, i made like 20 units from his picks, and a few days after he quits, i receive my money back from the gamblersdata administrator, that was cool, and ray owns my respect.

 

[ferdville]

Master Bates - any service should be used as a consultant. You made the plays; you lost; your fault. Nobody forced you to lose your money. You must have deep pockets to lose 9k in such a short time. If you don't, you have only shown your lack of knowledge in sports betting. What percent of your bankroll were you investing in each play? Sounds like very poor money management. Take responsibility - don't blame it on anyone else. That's the bottom line!

 

[west coast guru]

Bates

Bates

I think you were a little harsh, but I am glad you posted what happened to you. I do not think you are a moron simply trying to make some money. Guys what is wrong with him paying for Raymonds plays and losing his ass. Bates I would like to know how many games of Raymonds you played. How much did you bet on each game?
All you other cappers bashing bates. The guy paid his money for plays and expects to win. Maybe he does not have time to do research. Quit saying how hard Raymond works his ass off. He gets trends sent to him every week with all the info he posts. I am glad he shares it with us, but it is hardly working your ass off:nono: I am not bashing raymond nor supporting bates. I think you should do your own capping and take key information from various sources. I have posted several plays that have lost me a ton of money. I have also hit a few which have made me a lot of money. Bates when these guys say this pick is a best bet just play it as a normal bet if you are going to. If people have a best bet why do they play any other plays. If the best bet was so good this would be all they would play. Bates another thing think of gambling like the stock market. IF you can get any amount of return for your bet it is good. For example Pedro Martinez was -400 the other day. If you layed 100-25 you made a 25 % return on you investment. To most sports bettors they would not touch this bet. I say why not. It is a 25% return. It is better than any stock could do. It is as close to being a gimme as anything. Just learn to manage your money. Do not be afraid to lay heavy favorites. Just do not take a heavy favorite with a team that is struggling or a pitcher that is struggling. If you look at all the -300 favs this year and played them as a progression you would have made $$$$$. If you can hit three 300 favs on a progression you can make a 77% return on your money. If you can hit four 300favs in a row you would make an 137 % return on your money. I am just using a 3-1 fav for an example. It could be a 2.5 -1 fav. For example, if in any sport you take a 5-1 ml favorite and you prgress your bets and hit four in a row you make a 107% return on your money. This is big to use in college football and basketball. Get a internet account with a book that posts ml on most games. The greek is a good one. If you pick your spot on this heavy favs you will be in good shape. Think of gambling like you would think of the stock market. Is 20% a good return on your money if you are in the stock market? Do not be greedy and go for the big bucks. Making 20% on your entire bankroll is better than you could do on the market. Guys do not bash a guy for his spelling. Grow up! Now you see what the pro athletes feel like when the press goes after them. Raymond is a pro capper and has a service. The guy is venting. Give him a break. He feels like he has been scammed by raymond. If raymond allows people to pay for his plays then he should have criticism and be able to handle it. At the same time if he is making people $$$ for his service he should be given a pat on the back. So, those of you making money off his service jump in and pat him on the back

 

[ferdville]

No matter whom you follow, you must give reasonable time to anyone that claims they can show a profit. I doubt that anyone who wasn't a scammer would claim to show a profit every day, every week or even every month. I would assume that most gamblers realize this and manage their bankroll accordingly. It sounds like Bates may have gone into this expecting to show a profit every day or every week - and we all know that is not possible. Anybody that uses a service or follows a capper blindly should realize that a long term profit is the goal. If you are going in to sports betting and expecting to win every day or every week right off the bat, you are not being realistic. That is "hoping" not "thinking."

 

[fletcher]

WILL NOT STAND FOR THIS, IT IS A LIE. YES RAY AND I HAVE DRIFTED AND TAKE JABS LIKE THE LITTLE FINGERS AT EACH OTHER BUT NOTHING TO HURT EACH OTHER. THIS WAS A BUSINESS SPLIT, YES HE STARTED OUT SLOW BUT HE WAS NEVER CLOSE TO BEING DOWN THAT KIND OF MONEY AND YOU SHOULD OF BEEN AROUND EVEN WHEN HE LEFT ,DONOT USE THE WORD QUIT HE FOUND SOMETHING THAT WAS LESS STRESS FOR BOTH OF US. BUT DONOT COME IN HERE AND SAY YOUR LOST ALL THAT MONEY BECAUSE OF HIM IT'S JUST NOT TRUE I HAVE THE SHEETS LOGGED NOT EVEN CLOSE TO THAT.

YOU CAN SAY WHAT YOU WANT BUT FACTS MUST BE TRUE AND NOT MISLEADING ,AND FOR HIS REC. HERE HE IS JUST PASSING INFO NO-ONE HAS A GUN TO YOUR HEAD TO PLAY THEM. GETTING SICK OF THE FUKING HE SAID SHE SAID GAME AND SHIT IF YOU DON'T LIKE WHAT SOME-ONE POST DONOT PLAY IT.

AND I HAVE SEEN HIM GO 10 STRIGHT GAMES IN THE NBA AND HARDLY A THANKS FOR THE WINNERS SO WHAT HE IS OFF HELL I WAS 0-3 ON FB OR 1-4 THE OTHER NIGHT BUT NO ONE SAID LOCK OR EASY WINNER. ITS ALL UP TO YOU IN THE END AND NO-ONE ELSE.

BUT I STAND BY THE FIGURES THAT RAYMONDS PEOPLE WERE NOT DOWN THAT MUCH MONEY EVER.

JUST DROP THE SHIT AND IF YOU CAN'T SAY SOMETHING GOOD DON'T SAY IT.

THE ONLY REASON I WROTE THIS IS BECAUSE IT IS NOT TRUE AND I HAVE THE PAPER WORK ON DISK TO KNOW IT IS NOT. SO QUIT STIRRING A FIRE.

 

[thelawguy]

Well...hell, I thought I would chime in here, too.

For Bates...the poor guy is frustrated probably b/c he was desperate and lost his ass...it happens. Can't blame him for being pissed. Mouthing off like this, however, is not the way to handle it. Everybody knows that the best capper in the world will not win more than like 60% over the long haul...that is the best. Sure, I have great "streaks" and go 15-1 or sh*t like that...but let's be real. It is called "gambling" for a reason.

For the Bate-Man: Sorry you got killed. Suck it up and stop blaming others. "Raymond" has very good insight much of the time. Take it or leave it. If you are not good enough to cap on your own you should pick another vice.

Gratuitously yours,

THE LAWGUY

 

[KsYaS]

Keep the good work Raymond!!!


Stop your whining BAtes!


Javier

 

[thunderdoll]

I don't even think this Bates guy even paid for the service or made a play. I think he is just here to bash. Think about it. The picks he said Ray made were not picks from his service but they were picks that Ray posted here.
I doubt very much if he even played.
I have not paid for picks from any site. The good people on this board have helped me a lot and I do not want to watch them being bashed with lies from someone who has another agenda than ours. I don't know what Master Bates agenda is but I know ours is to beat da man.

 

[RAYMOND]

i put a little fun parlay and all hell break out, yes the first 6week of baseball was not good at all. i be the first to say this, but it was early in the year, but mr bates we gave you fletcher plays for free. plus a extra month or two for free. when flecther was hot back then, you should have made money, mr bates i am not scam
sometime anyone can hit a bad period as a winning period.
and came back strong after that bad streak, with very good winning weeks

there was no problem went i hit 20 out 23 ats in the nba playoff
there was no problem. all post at madjacks or march madness moneyline dogs winner, and there was awhole lot $$$

ps sorry jack

 

[Aces High]

LOL

just got in from work and cant believe this chit. :clap:

bates, how aboot some $$$$ management for starters. 9 - 11 { - 9 dimes } ????????????

raymond keep up the hard work that u do, it is appreciated. just like last nights cubs over play, thanks again. :thumb:

raymond, id rather be laying a few yards out in this heat, than listening to this guys chit. :grins:

 

[bohawk]

Bates... Is your first name "Norman, Norma , or Normal" ??:shrug:

 

[gecko]

Before anyone starts giving Bates the benefit of the doubt, let's remember this. He wasn't venting, he was bashing and threatening Raymond. There's no place for that in this public forum. Shoot Ray an email if you've got personal issues. And once again, if you "blindly" follow a capper then, yeah, if he hits a losing streak (which we all do sooner or later) then you are as much to blame as he is. Own up to it shut your yap.

Also, if you followed w.c.g.'s advice, playing ML faves makes winning harder. You really wanna risk more for a smaller ROI? If you lose just one, you'd have to win more than a few just to break even again. I don't think the greek minds that you win on 5:1 odds only to see you lose on those odds a day later. Guess who comes out ahead there? Be careful if you choose to do so.

 

[MadJack]

I DIDNT BET THE 9-11 PLAYS FROM LAST WEEK I BET THE FIRST 4 WEEKS OF THE SEASON WITH RAYMOND SERVICE. I LOST ABOUT 2000 THE FIRST 2 WEEKS AND RAYMOND SAID HE WOULD GET IT BACK, I KNOW I AM STUPID FOR BELIEVING HIM BUT THE BOOKIE DIDNT GET PAID IN FULL UNTIL TODAY AND I JUST CALLED HIM AND ASKED HIM FOR THE FIGURE ON MY SHEET. I WENT 7-29 DURING 2 WEEKS AND LOST MORE MONEY THSAN I HAD AND HAD TO PAY MY BOOKIE EVERY WEEK AND FINALLY PAID UP TODAY. I WAS BETTING 500 A GAME AND LOST MY ASS. MY FALT I KNOW JUST HERE TO WARN PEOPEL TO NOT PAY FOR RAYMOND SERVICE. THATS ALL. AND I WAS ONLY BETTING THE 5 STAR BETS HE SAID WERE THE BEST. JSUT A WARN.!!! IF HE HAS ANY MENBERS FROM THIS SITE THEY CAN TELL YOU I AM NOT LIEING.

 

[KsYaS]

Bates can not you read?? are you stupid o what??? Raymonds write what you say, If you can not stop your ****ing whining then just don't stay betting go away from casinos and leave and let us leave without your fvcking bitch tears, ok??

Javier

 

[Spock]

mebbe time to sign up for the service again and get the $$$ back ..

try playin the parlay .. mebbe it will hit .. i hope it does ..

9K lost .. how about putting the money u were payin the bookie every month into a SAVINGS ACCOUNT and be up one year from now w/o making a single play ..

as someone said.. main idea is to beat the man .. take help and insights from the good folks who take the time to post here and then form ur own opinion .. or just keep a target like me ..
e.g. i wanna win $20 a day. Trust me .. with this u will be better off (even if u have won or lost) ..

and please read the threads in the forum on money management. $500 a game .. jeez . .. and please play only with money u can ... how shall i put it .. afford to lose .. or will not make a difference in ur lifestyle ..

and instead of bashin people here .. why dont u participate in the daily VENT Thread and say names to the players who screwed ya.

class replies by gsp and all others.

Good luck
Spock

Live long .. Peace and Prosper ..