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Airport and Airplane behavior are two different animals.

The only complaint about frequent business travelers as to Airplane behavior is the abuse of carry-ons. Other than that, you can't have a better flight mate beside you.

Blue tooth headsets? That's a whole other issue that extends WELL beyond any particular group at airports!
 

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Well, I don't even know where to begin with this. You have been known to stir the pot.

My original point still stands - control the demand by tighting supply - increase airfares. That will make it a better experience for everyone.

And the business traveler? Well, I'm sorry your experience with them has been poor. I tend to find them to be the ones working on their laptop, reading the WallStreet and not making a sound on the flights I've been on.

The important thing to keep in mind - you should bless the business traveler. They are the ones that make it possible for Joe, Sue and their 3 kids to fly.

Business travelers pay much higher fares than Joe Public, due to not being to plan business travel in many cases in advance. They provide the airlines extensive revenue by flying an enormous amount of miles each year.

Without the business traveler, leisure flying would increase in price exponentially. Airlnes should and do care much more about the business travelor than the family that takes 1 trip a year. It is just simple economics.

Sorry you had bad luck with business travelors - you'd love sitting by me - I don't make a sound (other than the occasional snoring), and I'm not fat so I don't intrude on your seat (unlike most Wisconsin people). And that's all I ask of any other passenger on the plane - keep your voice to a reasonable level so you don't bother anyone else and don't crowd me in my seat.

Is that too much to ask?

Come on Joe and Sue, time to board the plane that Mags and the other business people allow us to invade their space. Kids, be quiet and don't bother Mags over there. :nono: Their type might get offended. :mj07: And, Mags is the only skinny person flying out of Milwaukee, the rest are fat, so Joe and Sue and kids, hope you get next to a fat person and not skinny Mags with attitude. Maybe the fat ones will be nice and let you talk to each other. :mj07:
 
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Rough crowd.

Mags is correct that flight prices would be unapproachable if it weren't for the very steep fares that business travellers pay.

I am in the middle of the road on this because I am not a "frequent" flier, but I do fly often. I'll probably take 15-30 round trips this year.

I understand where both sides are coming from on this one.
 

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My original point still stands - control the demand by tighting supply - increase airfares. That will make it a better experience for everyone.

Actually.....well behaved passengers will. That is my point. I know that you are saying, by and large, the common ilk are what is ruining the experience.

I guess we all see things from our own perch. Yeah, pretty much most business guys do keep to their laptops. Guess what? Some people might not want to hear the constant pecking of your fingers on the keys. Just sayin'. And when we land? I sure as shit know I don't need to hear that phone fire up, and hear that "We just landed.......Yeah.....You bet. Yeah, I'l be blah blah bla......." And as soon as the seatbelt sign goes off, who is the first guy clogging up the aisle to get his crap outta the overhead, and get ready to crash through everyone else to exit the plane?

I'm not namin' names.



I know ALL business guys don't act that way, just like ALL regular travelers don't cause issues. Most don't. But the ones who DO....really stick out, right?

Lastly, I know you say I should thank the business traveler. But, I should probably thank his business. The worker isn't, after all, paying his own airfare.

And, in reality.......isn't that cost being passed on to me, anyway? I mean, if I pay $189 for my flight instead of $350, your company will get it back from me in price hikes along the line. I know I am straying a bit far off topic, and having a little fun, but what the hell! That's business.


Enjoy your day. We know you had your choice of several posters to argue with today, and we thank you for choosing yyz.
 

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Classic yyz......perfect points. I do about the same dawgball, and understand both sides, to a point, but certainly not Mags point. Is there just one other Madjacker from Wisconsin that is skinny? Speak up. :0corn
 

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My original point still stands - control the demand by tighting supply - increase airfares. That will make it a better experience for everyone.

Actually.....well behaved passengers will. That is my point. I know that you are saying, by and large, the common ilk are what is ruining the experience.

I guess we all see things from our own perch. Yeah, pretty much most business guys do keep to their laptops. Guess what? Some people might not want to hear the constant pecking of your fingers on the keys. Just sayin'. And when we land? I sure as shit know I don't need to hear that phone fire up, and hear that "We just landed.......Yeah.....You bet. Yeah, I'l be blah blah bla......." And as soon as the seatbelt sign goes off, who is the first guy clogging up the aisle to get his crap outta the overhead, and get ready to crash through everyone else to exit the plane?

I'm not namin' names.



I know ALL business guys don't act that way, just like ALL regular travelers don't cause issues. Most don't. But the ones who DO....really stick out, right?

Lastly, I know you say I should thank the business traveler. But, I should probably thank his business. The worker isn't, after all, paying his own airfare.

And, in reality.......isn't that cost being passed on to me, anyway? I mean, if I pay $189 for my flight instead of $350, your company will get it back from me in price hikes along the line. I know I am straying a bit far off topic, and having a little fun, but what the hell! That's business.


Enjoy your day. We know you had your choice of several posters to argue with today, and we thank you for choosing yyz.


I couldn't leave this one alone... the last line had me rollling on the floor. FYI - when you run your own business, the flight costs come out of your own pocket (however tax deductible).

But you're right on business paying the costs, and the trickdown theory to individuals - but they are still getting a much better deal.

You're ok yyz - even when you are stirring the pot...
 

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Classic yyz......perfect points. I do about the same dawgball, and understand both sides, to a point, but certainly not Mags point. Is there just one other Madjacker from Wisconsin that is skinny? Speak up. :0corn

Wineguy - I don't think you can speak for all - maybe just yourself.

And the WI thing was a joke - you guys sure like to run with things said.

I didn't realize it was such a politically correct website...
 

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WHen I started this thread I should have added things like.....airlines have reduced the number of flights on many routes, they have also rrestricted what can be carried onboard thus requiering multiple bags being checked! You can't have t both ways....not enough flights, restriction of luggage and FAILURE to control ALL THE CRAP allowed as CARRYON.
 

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Mags, the airlines are "public transportation", in that they are how the public fly. Similar to the bus is how people with no vehicle get around.

Now, I understand your plight as a multi-flight traveler. The thing is.......it's very hard to sympathize with you. You see, you sound exactly like the guys I see, and hate, in every airport I've ever been in.

You feel that since you fly "more than most", it should garner you some exclusivity. A lot of this comes from a certain familiararity with the proccess of flying, I am sure. Like anything in life, when you are more adroit at it, the "newbies" or once-in-a-while folks tend to raise the blood pressure a bit. If you golf, you don't want the Sunday hacker in front of you all day. If you're at the checkout, you don't want the person grabbing their checkbook and starting the check AFTER they are told the final total. Things like that. As a regular flier, you have it all down cold. Most don't.

Sure, you add the ill-mannered in there on the plane, and that doesn't help. But the thing for me? The "business traveler" has always seemed to be the biggest prick of all time in the airport when it comes to manners! And by appearance, it seems to go back to the attitude that you seem to have on the subject:

You guys think the airport, and the planes, are yours.......everyone else is intruding on your space!

Yeah, I hate the loud kid in the atrium while I'm eating that $11 cold sandwich. Parents oblivious to his playing, while other people cast their stares. But, I hate even more the businessman yaking into his Blackberry loudly 18" to my left while I'm in the same setting.

Yeah, I hate kids running around past me while I'm heading from one gate to the next, and maybe bumping into me. Even more so, I hate when Bluetooth is running past me with a multi-decker carry-on on wheels, and rolls over me, and three other people, but doesn't miss a beat in his conversation.

But, I'm sure at some point he'll interupt his own phone call to mention all the goddamned kids running around his airport.

So, you are right. If everyone took care of their own laundry......no one would have an issue.

I'll go with this one.
 

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The passengers don't really bother me...

The passengers don't really bother me...

I never had any problems with the passengers or their behavior. I guess I don't get bothered by screaming babies or people trying to "get out" first grabbing their stuff from the overhead.

However, I DO have a problem with the Airlines themselves. Maybe some of these problems below are shared by others as well.

Flew America West, US Air, Delta, Continental, Northwest, and American for a while in a former occupation. They're all crap in my opinion, same policies, put you through same bs. I had countless layovers/missed flights due to bs circumstances where I would be stranded in DFW, OHare, Phoenix, etc. and I would get some chitty little $25 meal voucher and a hotel room until the next days flight. Don't even get me started on the subject of overbooking (lol). Also, how about those frequent flyer mile restrictions and new guidelines - hooray!!

I am glad I don't have to travel for business now. I am pretty sure the airlines develop policies which carry on from one carrier to the next.

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I never had any problems with the passengers or their behavior. I guess I don't get bothered by screaming babies or people trying to "get out" first grabbing their stuff from the overhead.

However, I DO have a problem with the Airlines themselves. Maybe some of these problems below are shared by others as well.

Flew America West, US Air, Delta, Continental, Northwest, and American for a while in a former occupation. They're all crap in my opinion, same policies, put you through same bs. I had countless layovers/missed flights due to bs circumstances where I would be stranded in DFW, OHare, Phoenix, etc. and I would get some chitty little $25 meal voucher and a hotel room until the next days flight. Don't even get me started on the subject of overbooking (lol). Also, how about those frequent flyer mile restrictions and new guidelines - hooray!!

I am glad I don't have to travel for business now. I am pretty sure the airlines develop policies which carry on from one carrier to the next.

kneifl

It was mentioned earlier in the thread about Southwest ruining the industry.

BUT

When my flight was ONE hour late getting back home from Baltimore this past Friday and I tried to pay for my cocktail, the flight attendant said, "Don't worry about that. We were way too late to expect you to pay for a drink."

The flight was late only due to weather and the whole system being in gridlock due to Chicago and the Northeast. They still took it upon themselves to serve drinks for everyone on the plane for free. I do think they only did this when you tried to pay. I don't think they announced this deal.

That is a great customer experience.
 

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A teetotaler is seated next to a rock star on a flight to Texas. After the plane takes off, the musician orders a whiskey and soda. "And the same for you?" The flight attendant asks the teetotaler. "i'd rather be tied up and ravaged by crazed women than let liquor touch my lips," he snorts. "Here," says the rocker, handing back his drink. "I didn't know we had a choice.
 

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It may be a hangover, or just general retardation...
but I swear there was an almost identical argument in a thread, maybe a year ago.

Obviously that happens all the time, but for a minute I had the eeriest Deja Vu.

Someone go find that thread for me. :0corn
 

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Spirit air has already enforced charging for bags. As a matter of fact, you must pay for every bag that you load. Your carry-on is free, but you cannot check any bags without charge. I believe if you do it online, it is an extra $10 for 1 bag (round trip). If you do not do it online, then it is $20 per bag (round trip).
 

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I think airfare is relatively cheap now too. I'm pretty happy as long as I don't have to fly chitty American Airlines (the bulk of my flying experience) and deal with all of their bs and rudeness. I LOVE FLYING SOUTHWEST!!!!!I also always seem to have some sort of problem with TSA. Hardly ever fails that I don't get pulled out of line, or I don't get my shoes off fast enough (long way to bend over and hurts when u have a bad back), or I have to open up all of my baggage for them to paw through, or they leave my luggage lock opened, something gets broken, they open my camera and expose film, etc. I still think there should be profiling at the airports too. Why check an American born passenger via near strip-search and let a foreign born middle-easterner prance right on board? :nono:
 
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