For those not glued to the T.V. Iraqi citizens in Basra have started an uprising against sadaams army and he is shelling his own people with artillery and shooting them. This is the true sad part of this campaign. I pray the brits can get in there and save them from a true holocaust.
uprising in basra
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I have just got the latest update.
After the british tanks hit basra with heavy shelling and fighting on the southern side of the city with the Iraqis, the uprising has started. Yes sadaams men have been shelling their own people.
The brits have a system that locates where this shelling is coming from and pinpoints the locations. From there they can shell immeadiatly to that area. It should not be long now till basra is in allies hands.
Also Um Qada has been securred. I posted yesterday that the british marines had taken over this operation so that the american troops could move on towards baghdad. I said after four days of battles between iraqis and u.s. militry that it would take our marines less than 48 hours. Well it took less than 24 hours. Now ships can safely use the port and supplies can be received.
Although the adverse weather has hindered both our troops today, the main cities in the south and the uprising means we are slowly squeezing the life out of the bastards.
We love and support our men and women of both forces. May the progress continue so we can continue :firing: and bring this evil man to the ground once and for all.
After the british tanks hit basra with heavy shelling and fighting on the southern side of the city with the Iraqis, the uprising has started. Yes sadaams men have been shelling their own people.
The brits have a system that locates where this shelling is coming from and pinpoints the locations. From there they can shell immeadiatly to that area. It should not be long now till basra is in allies hands.
Also Um Qada has been securred. I posted yesterday that the british marines had taken over this operation so that the american troops could move on towards baghdad. I said after four days of battles between iraqis and u.s. militry that it would take our marines less than 48 hours. Well it took less than 24 hours. Now ships can safely use the port and supplies can be received.
Although the adverse weather has hindered both our troops today, the main cities in the south and the uprising means we are slowly squeezing the life out of the bastards.
We love and support our men and women of both forces. May the progress continue so we can continue :firing: and bring this evil man to the ground once and for all.
go brits!!!
hope our british friends can prevent saddam from killing to many of his own people..
once again GB has proven to be the most worthy of allies
thanks
hope our british friends can prevent saddam from killing to many of his own people..
once again GB has proven to be the most worthy of allies
thanks
sounds good , let hope for the best.
but one thing doesn't add up about the shiites :shrug: could it be a cover up for shelling civillians, or is it the beginning of a ethnic war between shiits and sunnis.
"...as we noted on Saturday, Mohammed Baqir Hakim, head of the Supreme Assembly of the Islamic Revolution in Iraq, the main Shiite opposition movement in Iraq issued a statement quite specifically telling the Shiites not to aid the United States in any way. And his admonition, broadcast on the Qatar-based al-Jazeera television network, is being heeded."
http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=20030324-101930-3031r
but one thing doesn't add up about the shiites :shrug: could it be a cover up for shelling civillians, or is it the beginning of a ethnic war between shiits and sunnis.
"...as we noted on Saturday, Mohammed Baqir Hakim, head of the Supreme Assembly of the Islamic Revolution in Iraq, the main Shiite opposition movement in Iraq issued a statement quite specifically telling the Shiites not to aid the United States in any way. And his admonition, broadcast on the Qatar-based al-Jazeera television network, is being heeded."
http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=20030324-101930-3031r
Here is an article that I have just read talking about the uprising. The problem is that the iraqi people are very confused because they were told by saddam loyalists that the new leader of their country will be the president of the US, not somebody from iraq.
Tuesday, March 25, 2003
CAMP AS SAYLIYAH, Qatar ? The Shiite majority in Basra have started a popular uprising against Saddam Hussein's forces, Sky News reported Tuesday.
Iraqi forces are reportedly firing at the Shiite protesters, who have the support of British troops in the area. British forces have captured the top Baath party official, a U.K. spokesman said.
Earlier Tuesday, Air Force Major Gen. Victor E. Renuart Jr. said the situation in Basra was fragile and that an uprising was possible.
At a press briefing at U.S. Central Command in Qatar, Reunart Jr. said a vast majority of the Shiites have been oppressed by Saddam's regime for years.
"I think that they feel a threat to their security by these Baath party, special Republican Guard troops, that they're terrorizining their neighborhood," he said.
British and U.S. forces wanted the people of Basra to attack soldiers loyal to Saddam, Reuters reported.
In an about-face, British forces said Tuesday they have decided to move against militia fighters who have prevented them from securing Basra, a city in southern Iraq and Iraq's second-largest city.
Previously, coalition forces said they wanted to avoid urban combat there.
The decision to declare parts of Basra "military targets" came after U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan warned of a humanitarian crisis in the city and said "urgent measures" had to be taken to restore electricity and water.
British forces have surrounded the city and secured its airport but have continued to face pockets of resistance, including members of Saddam's elite Fedayeen paramilitary force. On Monday there were artillery exchanges throughout the day.
"We're obviously assessing the situation before we commence operations to take out the non-regular militia which seems to be set to opposing our taking of the objective," said Group Capt. Al Lockwood, spokesman for British forces in the Persian Gulf.
With 1.3 million people in Basra, "we need to secure the city for the inhabitants and to ensure that their basic necessities in life are taken care of, and obviously that the necessary humanitarian aid, medical facilities are restored as quickly as possible," he said.
British military officials had said several days ago that they would prefer to negotiate surrenders with enemy troops rather than move into Basra itself to secure it. But with resistance continuing, they apparently concluded that something more decisive was necessary.
It was not clear if British forces would move into Basra itself. They have said they wanted to avoid urban combat for as long as possible.
Basra is Iraq's main seaport and lies in southern Iraq's oil-producing region. It is a mostly Shiite city; a 1991 uprising by Shiite Muslims in Basra was crushed by the Iraqi military during the Gulf War.
A British military spokesman said Basra itself was a military target. But later he said only parts of the city -- regime and military infrastructure -- were now so designated.
In a separate attack on militiamen loyal to Saddam, members of Britain's 7th Armored Brigade captured a member of the Baath Party in nearby Az Zubayr on Monday night, the spokesman said. The goal of the operation was to "separate the party members from the military," the spokesman said.
Also in Az Zubayr late Monday, a soldier with another British unit was killed. It was the second combat death for Britain.
Also late Monday, 25 Iraqi armored vehicles, including a number of T-55 battle tanks, were destroyed after British forces called in air support over the al-Faw peninsula, the spokesman said. The Iraqis were firing mortar rounds and artillery.
Tuesday, March 25, 2003
CAMP AS SAYLIYAH, Qatar ? The Shiite majority in Basra have started a popular uprising against Saddam Hussein's forces, Sky News reported Tuesday.
Iraqi forces are reportedly firing at the Shiite protesters, who have the support of British troops in the area. British forces have captured the top Baath party official, a U.K. spokesman said.
Earlier Tuesday, Air Force Major Gen. Victor E. Renuart Jr. said the situation in Basra was fragile and that an uprising was possible.
At a press briefing at U.S. Central Command in Qatar, Reunart Jr. said a vast majority of the Shiites have been oppressed by Saddam's regime for years.
"I think that they feel a threat to their security by these Baath party, special Republican Guard troops, that they're terrorizining their neighborhood," he said.
British and U.S. forces wanted the people of Basra to attack soldiers loyal to Saddam, Reuters reported.
In an about-face, British forces said Tuesday they have decided to move against militia fighters who have prevented them from securing Basra, a city in southern Iraq and Iraq's second-largest city.
Previously, coalition forces said they wanted to avoid urban combat there.
The decision to declare parts of Basra "military targets" came after U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan warned of a humanitarian crisis in the city and said "urgent measures" had to be taken to restore electricity and water.
British forces have surrounded the city and secured its airport but have continued to face pockets of resistance, including members of Saddam's elite Fedayeen paramilitary force. On Monday there were artillery exchanges throughout the day.
"We're obviously assessing the situation before we commence operations to take out the non-regular militia which seems to be set to opposing our taking of the objective," said Group Capt. Al Lockwood, spokesman for British forces in the Persian Gulf.
With 1.3 million people in Basra, "we need to secure the city for the inhabitants and to ensure that their basic necessities in life are taken care of, and obviously that the necessary humanitarian aid, medical facilities are restored as quickly as possible," he said.
British military officials had said several days ago that they would prefer to negotiate surrenders with enemy troops rather than move into Basra itself to secure it. But with resistance continuing, they apparently concluded that something more decisive was necessary.
It was not clear if British forces would move into Basra itself. They have said they wanted to avoid urban combat for as long as possible.
Basra is Iraq's main seaport and lies in southern Iraq's oil-producing region. It is a mostly Shiite city; a 1991 uprising by Shiite Muslims in Basra was crushed by the Iraqi military during the Gulf War.
A British military spokesman said Basra itself was a military target. But later he said only parts of the city -- regime and military infrastructure -- were now so designated.
In a separate attack on militiamen loyal to Saddam, members of Britain's 7th Armored Brigade captured a member of the Baath Party in nearby Az Zubayr on Monday night, the spokesman said. The goal of the operation was to "separate the party members from the military," the spokesman said.
Also in Az Zubayr late Monday, a soldier with another British unit was killed. It was the second combat death for Britain.
Also late Monday, 25 Iraqi armored vehicles, including a number of T-55 battle tanks, were destroyed after British forces called in air support over the al-Faw peninsula, the spokesman said. The Iraqis were firing mortar rounds and artillery.
from reuters :shrug:
KUWAIT, March 25 (Reuters) - British military officials said on Tuesday they had no information on any popular uprising in Iraq's second city of Basra, but added that they would do everything possible to encourage such a revolt.
"We don't know anything about a Basra uprising," said a British military source in Central Command in Qatar.
British television networks have said there are reports of an armed uprising in the city.
A British spokesman in Kuwait said British and U.S. forces wanted the people of Basra to attack soldiers loyal to Iraqi President Saddam Hussein.
"We'll help them every which way we can," said British spokesman Chris Vernon, adding that British forces were looking to weaken Saddam's power structure in the city and had captured a top official of his Ba'ath party there earlier in the day.
"We are helping them when we took out probably the most senior Ba'ath party guy in Basra this morning. That will have sent a shockwave through them," Vernon told a news conference.
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/DBT000259.htm
KUWAIT, March 25 (Reuters) - British military officials said on Tuesday they had no information on any popular uprising in Iraq's second city of Basra, but added that they would do everything possible to encourage such a revolt.
"We don't know anything about a Basra uprising," said a British military source in Central Command in Qatar.
British television networks have said there are reports of an armed uprising in the city.
A British spokesman in Kuwait said British and U.S. forces wanted the people of Basra to attack soldiers loyal to Iraqi President Saddam Hussein.
"We'll help them every which way we can," said British spokesman Chris Vernon, adding that British forces were looking to weaken Saddam's power structure in the city and had captured a top official of his Ba'ath party there earlier in the day.
"We are helping them when we took out probably the most senior Ba'ath party guy in Basra this morning. That will have sent a shockwave through them," Vernon told a news conference.
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/DBT000259.htm
I was sitting in my office with the tv on in the background. I heard an interview with a reporter from Sky news who was in the middle of the action in Bashra.
I guess people will tend to believe what they want to belive(am including myself) on this war. Only time will tell which news stories are accurate on this whole mess, including the un bullshit.
I guess people will tend to believe what they want to belive(am including myself) on this war. Only time will tell which news stories are accurate on this whole mess, including the un bullshit.
AR182 i agree it is hard to know what to belive
i have fox, cnn, BBC, sky, cnbc, and we get 1 hour of Al-Jazeera at 11 pm here translated to english.
the inetrnet is a good source to try and verify stories
This is from Israeli Debka file an usually Israelis have good intel
so who knows maybe there is an uprising after all
http://www.debka.com/
i have fox, cnn, BBC, sky, cnbc, and we get 1 hour of Al-Jazeera at 11 pm here translated to english.
the inetrnet is a good source to try and verify stories
This is from Israeli Debka file an usually Israelis have good intel
so who knows maybe there is an uprising after all
http://www.debka.com/
what the phuk is your problem?? give this anti american bull shit up.. !! cover up for bombing civillians.. jesus..
no matter what we do. or what good comes of this you will never give USA the benifit of the doubt! and im ****ing sick of it.. you want to believe that we are an imperilist country... let me ask you this... out of all the countries have we gone to war with, how many have we occupied and ruled over????
We are the worlds only super power.. which unfortunatly leaves us most of the reasposnibility to do the dirty work.. it also makes us a target..
of course your against this war.. beacause you know damn well that if Saddam sells off some chemical weopons to terrorist.. they wont be comming to sweden to drop them off!!!!
im sick of these other countries being consumed by jealousy!!! and never giveing the United States the benifit of the doubt when
AMERICA... HAS PAID THE PRICE OF FREEDOM!!! TIME AND TIME AGAIN!!! and we recieve no thanks.. we fight for others, we give aid.. then we get stabbed in the back.. and phuking tired of listening to this anti american bullshit!!!!!!!!
believe it or not Iraqi citizens in Basra have started an uprising against sadaams army!! they are being bombed for it.. killing his own people is nothing new to him!!
If your such a big dam Saddam supporter, i hear hes looking for a few more human shields!!! not that anyone from sweden would ever put them selves in harms way!!!!!!
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Take it easy gibber im not against US, i just whant this to be over as quickly as everybodyelse now when its started, this is war and in history of war there have been and will be crimes against humanity by all sides, it happens, whats the problem with looking for alternate views of this conflict, do you belive that everything the military says is true? both sides in this conflict lies, no military ledar goes on TV and speaks 100% thrut so the enemy can see it on live TV. I m not hostile agaist anyone just intrested like everybody else on this conflict,
i dont understand why so many of you are so agressive if one points out that maybe that it was a mistake to rush to war and not back it up by more powerful troops and international support than we see now, i think maybe that would have saved lifes on both sides and thats what we all whant isnt it, now when troops are getting exasted it is natural that mistakes are eazyer to commit.
So calm down im not aginst the allies, i feel sorry for these men and woman that have this difficult task ahead of them.
down with dictators
i dont understand why so many of you are so agressive if one points out that maybe that it was a mistake to rush to war and not back it up by more powerful troops and international support than we see now, i think maybe that would have saved lifes on both sides and thats what we all whant isnt it, now when troops are getting exasted it is natural that mistakes are eazyer to commit.
So calm down im not aginst the allies, i feel sorry for these men and woman that have this difficult task ahead of them.
down with dictators
Is it out of the question that we are doing the shelling the day after we declare that the city is now a military target?
Whether moral or not, it is our government's and our army's job to value the life of it's constituents more than it values the life of a non-constituents. My number one priority is that we let the officers protect the troops and if some civilians are harmed in the process, so be it.
Keep the information coming, reb
Whether moral or not, it is our government's and our army's job to value the life of it's constituents more than it values the life of a non-constituents. My number one priority is that we let the officers protect the troops and if some civilians are harmed in the process, so be it.
Keep the information coming, reb
Yes we contribute to the struggle, only reason we are not there now is becuse of UN dident back it, in 1991 we had a comlete field hospital in kuweit and in Yugoslavia with fighting UN troops during that whole conflict under US command and in cyrus and troops in Congo in 60*s alos supplied fighter planes to UN in Congo i have may friends who been to all these playses and friends parents who fought in Congo and had UN general secratery hamarskj?ld killed then by belgian mercenarys. i think a small country of 8 million that we are contribute alot to world events.
Swedish Pansershot plays key role in US attac
Saab Bofors are shure to get a new order of AT4CS from USA the deal is worth at least 1 billion SEK, 100 million USD.
It is used agains armour viechlesand will have a key role for US troops in an attac on Iraq 1985 US bought AT 4CS for 220 million USD 2,2 billion SEK and are now ready for a new delivery
The wepon is was so effective in 1991 gulf war that it was on times first page.
Svenskt pansarskott spelar nyckelroll i USA-anfall
Saab Bofors ?r s?kra p? att f? en ny best?llning av pansarskottet AT 4 CS fr?n USA i ?r. Aff?ren ?r v?rd minst en miljard kronor.
Pansarskottet anv?nds mot stridsvagnar och andra pansarfordon, och ber?knas spela en nyckelroll i ett eventuellt anfall mot Irak. 1985 k?pte USA:s milit?r AT 4 CS f?r 2,2 miljarder kronor, och ?r nu redo f?r en ny leverans.
Vapnet var s? effektivt under Gulfkriget 1991, att det hamnade p? tidskriften Times f?rstasida, skriver tidningen Dagens Industri idag.
Swedish Pansershot plays key role in US attac
Saab Bofors are shure to get a new order of AT4CS from USA the deal is worth at least 1 billion SEK, 100 million USD.
It is used agains armour viechlesand will have a key role for US troops in an attac on Iraq 1985 US bought AT 4CS for 220 million USD 2,2 billion SEK and are now ready for a new delivery
The wepon is was so effective in 1991 gulf war that it was on times first page.
Svenskt pansarskott spelar nyckelroll i USA-anfall
Saab Bofors ?r s?kra p? att f? en ny best?llning av pansarskottet AT 4 CS fr?n USA i ?r. Aff?ren ?r v?rd minst en miljard kronor.
Pansarskottet anv?nds mot stridsvagnar och andra pansarfordon, och ber?knas spela en nyckelroll i ett eventuellt anfall mot Irak. 1985 k?pte USA:s milit?r AT 4 CS f?r 2,2 miljarder kronor, och ?r nu redo f?r en ny leverans.
Vapnet var s? effektivt under Gulfkriget 1991, att det hamnade p? tidskriften Times f?rstasida, skriver tidningen Dagens Industri idag.
my point is.... it seems you would rather believe that the US is killing innocent people, instead of just thinking for a minunte... that people in Iraq might actually appreaciate what the us is doing and want to be free of this tyrant..
i got so upset w/ your comment b/c we are loosing lives trying to protect these innocent people.. i think it was you who posted the pics of the dead little girl... what Al-Jazeera probably didnt show was that Saddam probably put her and the other innocents in front of military targets... you also posted the pic of iraqi soldiers in a fox hole.. dead with a white flag next to them.. it was posted like these poor bastards were trying to surrender and were murdered in cold blood... we now know that iraqis are pretending to surrender before they open fire on troops... its not like these guys are out of their fox hole waving a white flag..and were needlesly cut down.. they are in their hole with machine guns... but im sure Al-Jazeera left those details out..
your articles says little to the fact that we could just bomb iraq into oblivion... but we arent.. were putting our men and women on the ground and in harms way to protect these people as best we can and leave their country intact... thats why we are loosing men.. does anyone say this on al jazeera,or in the articles you read.. does anyone care that we are sacrificing american lives to spare others??
i got so upset w/ your comment b/c we are loosing lives trying to protect these innocent people.. i think it was you who posted the pics of the dead little girl... what Al-Jazeera probably didnt show was that Saddam probably put her and the other innocents in front of military targets... you also posted the pic of iraqi soldiers in a fox hole.. dead with a white flag next to them.. it was posted like these poor bastards were trying to surrender and were murdered in cold blood... we now know that iraqis are pretending to surrender before they open fire on troops... its not like these guys are out of their fox hole waving a white flag..and were needlesly cut down.. they are in their hole with machine guns... but im sure Al-Jazeera left those details out..
your articles says little to the fact that we could just bomb iraq into oblivion... but we arent.. were putting our men and women on the ground and in harms way to protect these people as best we can and leave their country intact... thats why we are loosing men.. does anyone say this on al jazeera,or in the articles you read.. does anyone care that we are sacrificing american lives to spare others??
I just heard from fox news that iraqi soldiers are surrendering to other iraqi soldiers dressed in US military uniforms & then being executed. Unbelievable if this is true.
Gibber good point,
in order to win this war it is not sufficient to merely beat the Iraqis, but to also keep (or win) the favour of the general Iraqi population.
As a result, many US lives will be lost because of the tactics required...that otherwise woudl not be lost, fighting at arms lenghth.You are expressing the frustration that the forces will undoubtedly feel. This war won't be a picnic unless the Iraqi leadership lays down and advises its forces to do so.
Hope this happens sooner rather than later
ozball
in order to win this war it is not sufficient to merely beat the Iraqis, but to also keep (or win) the favour of the general Iraqi population.
As a result, many US lives will be lost because of the tactics required...that otherwise woudl not be lost, fighting at arms lenghth.You are expressing the frustration that the forces will undoubtedly feel. This war won't be a picnic unless the Iraqi leadership lays down and advises its forces to do so.
Hope this happens sooner rather than later
ozball
ok i understad your point and it maybe was a mistake to post those pics im sorry,because i took for granted that everbody ?nderstood that i also is against the regim in bagdad, but i think that if people look for the thrut about how this mission is really going the you/we can put pressure to get a better organisation, stronger force, this force probably can do the job but i think it would have been quicker and safer for troops if they had been more and heaver armour, because if you start to lose your friends and you feel no backing from your gov( and i meen with more forces) then things can go bad and there is a chanse of atrocitys/ mistakes, i can give you example just from the swedes in congo, they got tierd of abushes and started to execute civilian african there maybe they where guilty maybe not.
i have been reading up on that mission and they said after 1 month in Congo the africans where looked upon as monkeys and not human, it is i think a form of group pshycology under pressure, you whant to shoot back but are in UN service/ or to protect civilian but in the end it snaps and maybe it will take longer to snap if you are not pushed 100% for a long time in stressful sitiuation.
i have been reading up on that mission and they said after 1 month in Congo the africans where looked upon as monkeys and not human, it is i think a form of group pshycology under pressure, you whant to shoot back but are in UN service/ or to protect civilian but in the end it snaps and maybe it will take longer to snap if you are not pushed 100% for a long time in stressful sitiuation.
This is my opinion and I don't care what you all think....
Preservation of iraqi civilians is not worth one U.S. or British soldier's life....The military has to protect its soldiers and I expect them to sacrifice some civilians in order to obtain that goal..period.
Let them heed warning to stay in their homes...if you are on the street or in visbility of our troops..you are open game. If your government is using you as a shield..tough luck..we have a mission to accomplish.
Preservation of iraqi civilians is not worth one U.S. or British soldier's life....The military has to protect its soldiers and I expect them to sacrifice some civilians in order to obtain that goal..period.
Let them heed warning to stay in their homes...if you are on the street or in visbility of our troops..you are open game. If your government is using you as a shield..tough luck..we have a mission to accomplish.
Rebel,
I would like to think that the people in charge of this war planned for unexpected incidents & know what they are doing. I have full confidence in both the US & British high command.
You are playing arm chair QB, as are many, & have no idea what you are talking about. For example, do you have any of the intelligence reports that the military command have? Do you have any military planning experience?
I don't know why you are comparing this war with a war that the Swedes fought in the congo.Not knowing anything about Swedish history, I would think that thay didn't have the same capabilities of the allies in manpower, strategy, & command.
This war is being executed to almost perfection.The allies have marched on enemy terrain for about 4-5 days, took on enemy forces, & covered about 300 miles. The allies have had few casualties, lost about 6 soldiers as pow's, have captured about 3500 iraqi soldiers, all in a few days.The allies will wear the enemy down, even with all their tricks.And history will state if this is a successful mission.My own opinion is that this will be looked at in years to come as a great military accomplishment.
I would like to think that the people in charge of this war planned for unexpected incidents & know what they are doing. I have full confidence in both the US & British high command.
You are playing arm chair QB, as are many, & have no idea what you are talking about. For example, do you have any of the intelligence reports that the military command have? Do you have any military planning experience?
I don't know why you are comparing this war with a war that the Swedes fought in the congo.Not knowing anything about Swedish history, I would think that thay didn't have the same capabilities of the allies in manpower, strategy, & command.
This war is being executed to almost perfection.The allies have marched on enemy terrain for about 4-5 days, took on enemy forces, & covered about 300 miles. The allies have had few casualties, lost about 6 soldiers as pow's, have captured about 3500 iraqi soldiers, all in a few days.The allies will wear the enemy down, even with all their tricks.And history will state if this is a successful mission.My own opinion is that this will be looked at in years to come as a great military accomplishment.
put it in perspective..
would you rather be killed, or kill someone you don't trust to well.
after that shit with the ambush, i wouldnt trust nobody from Iraq.
would you rather be killed, or kill someone you don't trust to well.
after that shit with the ambush, i wouldnt trust nobody from Iraq.
