USC GREATEST OF ALL TIME?
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Dice34 said:
Tell me exactly what I have that is bogus. Just because you don't like hearing the truth doens't mean I can't post it.
i'm tired of you saying everything is luck, recovering your own fumble is luck??? and why is that, is the defense supposed to get it eveytime???, can't you drop the ball in an open field with no one around or drop back to pass and fumble the ball, Why is that lucky?..........SO USC was lucky to get the fumbled ball on the 1st punt return and USC was lucky to get the ball back on there 2nd to last possession, when it fluttered into smith's hands when 5 longhorns were around right before Texas got Lucky and stopped USC on 4th and 2.....................
Was it luck that the NFL caliber coaches from USC and the greatest Defensive Coordinator of all time didn't have someone spying Vince the whole time....Was it luck that Vince made USC's fast D look like junior varsity players? Was it luck that the score was 41-38 Texas no............USC WAS IN NO POSITION TO EVER BLOW THAT GAME OPEN BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T STOP VINCE, no more luck talk, it was a great game just leave it be.......season is over, next is the signing day and NFL draft. Lets look forward to that
Was it luck that the NFL caliber coaches from USC and the greatest Defensive Coordinator of all time didn't have someone spying Vince the whole time....Was it luck that Vince made USC's fast D look like junior varsity players? Was it luck that the score was 41-38 Texas no............USC WAS IN NO POSITION TO EVER BLOW THAT GAME OPEN BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T STOP VINCE, no more luck talk, it was a great game just leave it be.......season is over, next is the signing day and NFL draft. Lets look forward to that
3 Seconds said:
i hate usc, but respect em. both teams played a hard fought game, but neither played their best. vince young won the game for texas. kudos to them.
there was another gimmick play you missed. bush lateraling the ball to the linebacker for no reason is a gimmick and a play he will never live down.
IN MY OPINION.........
Anytime you put the ball on the carpet, you are lucky to recover it. ANYTIME!
ANYTIME a player takes the ball on a near the yard stick, whether it is 2inchs short or 2inches past the 1st down marker, it is LUCK to where the official spots it. Official is HUMAN and 15 yards away. No exact science. White might have been 10 inches short but offical spotted it 2 inches short. Only way to not leave it to fate is for Texas to stop White 1.5 yards short or White to go 1.5 yards past the marker. Otherwise, it is a tossup on where a HUMAN official spots the ball.
Hey, USC was lucky to recover that fumble off punt returner for Texas. ANYBODY could have recovered that ball.
Anytime you put the ball on the carpet, you are lucky to recover it. ANYTIME!
ANYTIME a player takes the ball on a near the yard stick, whether it is 2inchs short or 2inches past the 1st down marker, it is LUCK to where the official spots it. Official is HUMAN and 15 yards away. No exact science. White might have been 10 inches short but offical spotted it 2 inches short. Only way to not leave it to fate is for Texas to stop White 1.5 yards short or White to go 1.5 yards past the marker. Otherwise, it is a tossup on where a HUMAN official spots the ball.
Hey, USC was lucky to recover that fumble off punt returner for Texas. ANYBODY could have recovered that ball.
Scott again you keep pointing out things without addressing the other side.
You say IF USC would have recovered all those fumbles UT would have been held under 30! BIG DEAL.
IF UT had picked off just 2 of the 4 passes that could have been easily intercepted & if USC didnt recover that fumble on the punt, then USC would have been held under 27 pts!
I hate how you just make EVERYTHING so one sided.
Also it wasnt just VY. IF UT didnt have an O-line that just MANHANDLED your VASTLY OVERRATED FRONT 7 Texas wouldnt have won this game either. 30/40 passing cause you put almost ZERO pressure on VY thanks to the OL.
Plus lost in the all the VY achievements is that UT RBs averaged 5.7 yards a carry as well.
You say IF USC would have recovered all those fumbles UT would have been held under 30! BIG DEAL.
IF UT had picked off just 2 of the 4 passes that could have been easily intercepted & if USC didnt recover that fumble on the punt, then USC would have been held under 27 pts!
I hate how you just make EVERYTHING so one sided.
Also it wasnt just VY. IF UT didnt have an O-line that just MANHANDLED your VASTLY OVERRATED FRONT 7 Texas wouldnt have won this game either. 30/40 passing cause you put almost ZERO pressure on VY thanks to the OL.
Plus lost in the all the VY achievements is that UT RBs averaged 5.7 yards a carry as well.
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Alleged USC defensive stud Lawrence Jackson - ZERO tackles,sacks, or assists. USC's line played great, though they allowed 3 sacks (to NONE) and got no push on the all important 4th down plays. Our O-Line line thoroughly dominated their defense. I was almost embarrassed for Cushing - he looked like a girl out there.
Of course I guess it wasnt luck that Steve Smith recovered White's 3rd down fumble (the only thing Smith did all night) else there wouldnt have been a 4th down play for pete and his boys to screw up.
Of course I guess it wasnt luck that Steve Smith recovered White's 3rd down fumble (the only thing Smith did all night) else there wouldnt have been a 4th down play for pete and his boys to screw up.
DerekNJND said:
And now the whole Tech program gets a MAJOR SETBACK for its cheapshots. Go HOkies!!
Just curious scott if you believe that texas was the better team wed. night. I am not asking who had the better players or what happened during the season. On championship night do you believe Texas was the better team?
Scott, you have been fartin up wind for too long. Your day has come. There is no explaining your way out of this one. Your beloved boys lost. I think USC was the better team and thats the damm shame of it. With all that talent I could have coached from the golf course. The lack of discipline on Bush's pitch and the arrogant attitude leinart had following the game were what most people will remember about this game, and the fact that Texas basically said "we are going to run a QB sneak left guys see if you can stop us." 1 BCS championship win in a 8 turnover game vs OU. Pac 10 is soft as a conference they don't play d that will always be there MO. Defense wins championships, in pop warner, high school, college and NFL, the Pac 10 schools either get too much sun or enjoy a little too much of that Cali chronic because they just don't get it.
UGA12 said:
Yes Texas was the better team that night because they won the game. Texas deserves the NC.
If USC was to play Texas next week, I would change my original prediction of USC winning 45-27 to USC winning 58-51.
If USC were to play Teas 10 times, I think USC would win 7/10.
ryanmcgwyer said:
What is the point of these posts? You obviously have a problem with me and USC. Here is some flawed logic.
You say you could have coached USC to win. Then you mentioned Bush pitch. You think Carroll coaches that? Young did the same thing as Bush and it worked for a TD. Does that make Brown a genius? I would love to know what you would have done to prevent Bush from that lateral. I do know USC NEVER has practiced that. Bush said he used to do it in high school and did it based on instncts because it worked in HS.
Carroll put USC in position to BLOW OUT Texas. They didn't execute.
LOOK AT MY SIG and that is what Carroll has accomplished. Carroll's #1 philosophy is to GO AFTER IT! Go for it on 4th and inches. Go for it on 4th and 2 and make the 1st down and win a BCS NC. Texas got down to USC 15 on game winning drive, USC got after it and blitzed Young in hope of "forcing" a play instead of sitting back and letting Texas dictate a play. I personally love a coach who GOES AFTER the win vs letting the win happen. That is Pete Carroll. USC didn't want to go up 10-0 on Texas. USC wanted to go up 21-0. For the 1st time in a LONG time USC couldn't get it done. It was there for the taking and USC fawked up. Props to Texas! The only thing USC regrets from the Rose Bowl game is EXECUTION! USC didn't execute.
Lets hope Hokies get ND next year in a bowl game, if you thought OSU beat your @ss this year Derrick wait until you see what beamer bal would do to you next. Can you guys smell 0-9 in recent bowls.DerekNJND said:
Scott4USC said:
Not that you mind the attention but here is the problem people have with you. You say that usc would win 7/10, tex got lucky, etc when all you need to say is congrats to texas and usc will come back strong next year. What happened is you painted yourself into a corner with all the USC cant be beat(paraphrasing) talk and now to save face you appear to be making excuses instead of giving props to the champs and their fans/backers. I cant say that that I personally think WV is a better team than GA but when it counted they were and thats all you have to go by. So I said congratulations to WV and their backers and moved on. The reason I could do that and you seem to not be able to is that you let your mouth write a check the past year that your team simply could not cash. So now its either be humbled and just say texas is better and congrats or the route you seem to be taking make excuses because you could never be wrong. If you want to know why people have a problem with you there it is. You can write a response, tell me to go to hell, quote every sentence with a retort, but that is not going to change the fact that the above is why people are coming down on you like they are!!!!
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UGA12 said:
You asked me a question and I answered it honestly. If you like I can always explain further my reasonings why I think a certain way. I always can support my opinion, well, because it is my opinion. I don't think anybody can say my posts are off base. You may disagree with some or all of my opinions, but none are off the wall.
Its your opinion that some of your comments aren't off the wall and its my opinion that some of your comments are off the wall, along with everyone else........your opinion always favors USC regardless of the situation, why, because you are a homer and not objective, not that theres anything wrong with that, it gets annoying though......everything is one sided and you fail to recognize the other side making it off base IMO...........remember its just another mans opinion.........thats great you rah rah for your team, but be a little more objective instead of inlcuding USC this and USC that in everything you equate.........<--I dont even know if used that word right........Your analysis and facts of the game were straight opinion seen thru USC goggles that you skewed every way imaginable to get the outcome YOU WANTED.......... Its hard to cap a game without being objective Scotty.....you should know that
Dice34 said:
Posters just say it is off the wall but fail to make an argument. Just like the posters who feel the SEC is superior to the Pac 10. They just say it but can't support their opinion. When someone CAN support their oponion, then they become threatened.
I think for the most part my analysis was pretty solid on the game. USC could have blown away Texas in the 1h and didn't. Thats why they play the game. I did predict 45-27 USC win and score with 6min. left was USC 38-26. Pretty close! USC stops Texas on 2nd last drive, then USC goes for the kill and scores TD 45-26 would have been final outcome! :mj14: I was soooo close!
There also was bunch of stuff in my analysis that was incorrect and I have said so. At least I put myself out there with analysis to support MY opinion.
Maybe I forgot to forcast Bush "giving" Texas the ball on USC scoring drive when USC already was up 7-0 on Texas. I gambled USC wouldn't do that $hit beause they NEVER done it before. THere is always a 1st time and thats why they play the game.
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blgstocks said:
Funny this is the 3rd thread i've found you responding to my posts in. Ironically, you havent had anything important to say in any of the, except DISAGREE with every word I say. Hate hate hate hate, you are the definition of a player hater
I kinda wish SC won heir second NC now because then it would be 6 months of Home4SC posting in everyones forums how great He is and how great SC is.
Now we get to listen to Luckiest game ever played. 2inches this. USC any other day. IF they play again i would be right.
what makes anyone think that SC is going to be any good next year? I agree they will probably make it back to a bowl but cmon Carrol is not a magician.
Reason why SUC will make it back to bowl?
- Leinhart wasnt that great, he just threw laterals and threw to wide open recievers most of the time. I think they're new qb can do that too.
-They had a bad defense this year, but with time and experience those fresh/sophs will mature and become much better so that they might have an average to good defense (#74 in passing isnt a good defense, especially in a conference where Carrol knows they are going to be passing alot)
-IF White comes back they will have a consistent running game
Reasons Why they wont be in bowl game
- Though they normally skate on by in the Pac teams are getting much better in that conference. Arizona for one will be tough. ASU will be contending for Pac10 title with the conferences most potent offense. Cal, has two 1000 yd rushers returning and a solid D, will also be contending for Pac10 title. Oregon #6 (lol) will only be getting better, not that that makes them any good anyways.
-They lost most o their offense if you take the rushing yds of bush and the passing of Lienhart you will come up with a small #. No way around that.
-IF white doesnt come back they have a depleted backfield and will a new qb, even though Pac10 doesnt have any Defense, they will still blitz every time and that qb will be out by midseason
I dont need any of your spin on this Scott and neither does anybody in the forums so if you mind keeping the kicking smileys and WHAT NO WAYS to yourself i would appreciate it
Now we get to listen to Luckiest game ever played. 2inches this. USC any other day. IF they play again i would be right.
what makes anyone think that SC is going to be any good next year? I agree they will probably make it back to a bowl but cmon Carrol is not a magician.
Reason why SUC will make it back to bowl?
- Leinhart wasnt that great, he just threw laterals and threw to wide open recievers most of the time. I think they're new qb can do that too.
-They had a bad defense this year, but with time and experience those fresh/sophs will mature and become much better so that they might have an average to good defense (#74 in passing isnt a good defense, especially in a conference where Carrol knows they are going to be passing alot)
-IF White comes back they will have a consistent running game
Reasons Why they wont be in bowl game
- Though they normally skate on by in the Pac teams are getting much better in that conference. Arizona for one will be tough. ASU will be contending for Pac10 title with the conferences most potent offense. Cal, has two 1000 yd rushers returning and a solid D, will also be contending for Pac10 title. Oregon #6 (lol) will only be getting better, not that that makes them any good anyways.
-They lost most o their offense if you take the rushing yds of bush and the passing of Lienhart you will come up with a small #. No way around that.
-IF white doesnt come back they have a depleted backfield and will a new qb, even though Pac10 doesnt have any Defense, they will still blitz every time and that qb will be out by midseason
I dont need any of your spin on this Scott and neither does anybody in the forums so if you mind keeping the kicking smileys and WHAT NO WAYS to yourself i would appreciate it
