USC WR Williams

[Scott4USC]

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The problem is not necessarily the NCAA rejecting Mike Williams reinstatement. The problem is the way the NCAA handled it.

The NCAA defined what Mike Williams needed to do in order to be reinstated. He cut ties with that agent, gave back all monies and benefits he received, and enrolled in classes. Then the NCAA rules that he will not be reinstated. Anyone with a pair of brain cells could figure out the hypocrisy in the ruling.

THe NCAA said they are going to be more STUDENT FRIENDLY. Letting Mike Williams back is more student friendly and a very very unique case in where Mike Williams did nothing wrong.

Read my previous post above and you will clearly see how poorly the NCAA handled this situation. Many Trojan fans felt WIlliams would be back if he passed his 2 summer school classes. That was the only thing USC and Williams had not sent in. The NCAA knew about everything else prior and could have rejected Williams MONTHS ago. Why did they stretch this out? Why didn't the NCAA tell Mike there was no way he can get back in because of the 6unit rule? Agent? Cash? Why didn't they tell him upfront? That was all known well before hand. That is what USC fans (other fans too) and administration is pissed off about. You do not stretch this out 3+ months and ask the kid and University to do all these things and after they accomplish everything you ask deny their request. What they are denying Williams of was all known beforehand. That is the problem. If Williams failed his 2 classes then that would have been a legit reason to deny him this late and that is what everybody thought was the hold-up.

I will tell you why the NCAA did this. This now prevents Williams from suing the NFL. It is now all too late for WIlliams, and now this young man must sit out for 5+ months. Way to go NCAA, you sure dropped the ball on this one.

 

[Blackman]

THe NCAA said they are going to be more STUDENT FRIENDLY. Letting Mike Williams back is more student friendly and a very very unique case in where Mike Williams did nothing wrong.

He's still enrolled at USC, I don't know how his standing as a football player effects him as a student. The fact that he was allowed to enroll back in classes this summer/fall after dropping out in the spring seems student friendly this week.

I just look at it this way -- as a student athlete you know that the main no-nos are:

Don't accept money
Don't hire an agent
Don't fail/drop out of classes.

Mike Williams did all three. I understand he tried to reconsile, but if they let him back in the NCAA would be opening a huge pandoras box here. I feel that the NCAA handled this very poorly, a decision should have been made months ago, but the end result is the correct one in my mind.

 

[BobbyBlueChip]

He got screwed, he did everything that was asked and if it wasn't going to be enough, they should have let him know up front.

 

[Cie]

if true, thats a screw job for williams. normally, a lot of these guys bring a lot of this stuff upon themselves with poor decisions, accepting gifts, and things like that. but i just cant understand how williams gets shut out. he got jerked around by the system and now has to sit out? ncaa should use some common sense and allow him to play since this is obviously an unprecedented situation.

The NCAA, whom I consider to be a bunch of jerk-offs, contend that they gave Mr Williams ample warning that if they won the appeal, then he would not be allowed back in. Correct me if I'm wrong, but if this story is true I feel the blame shifts to Mike Williams.

 

[Cie]

He got screwed, he did everything that was asked and if it wasn't going to be enough, they should have let him know up front.

The NCAA contends that they warned him beforehand. That being true, he gambled and lost imo.

Cie

 

[Cie]

The team will show the country what a true champion is all about by winning another title.

Maybe this time they can win the title that counts.

Here is an awesome quote from BMW!

"I've always felt that if you're a Trojan, you're just automatically better than everybody else."

Yah, awsome. Maybe he can spend the fall whipping up some more of these awsome quotes :sadwave:

 

[THE KOD]

:Why did the NCAA tell Mike to go to summer school and Williams passed?

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sorry

but I can't stop laughing. Bet Mike was pissed
he had to take the sports management 101 class and the basic reading for athletes class.

And then they refuse to let him play !.

Not sure why I get so much enjoyment out
of this.

 

[Kdogg21]

your right scott/atlanta

that is preety funny. but Williams had to know this was coming. If Jeremy Bloom wasn't going to get in, than you knew Williams wasn't going to get in either. He knew the costs if he applied for the NFL draft and now here are the consequenses. sucks for USC though. definatley gonna be alot of pressure on the young wide-outs.

 

[bbk]

Scott you are truly pathetic stop inventing new people like Flapjack (has 3 post which you can probably find where no one posts so it would not be his 1st one; and just registered August 2004 wow what a coincidence and then scott replies right after him); you are such a homer joke; give it up; its just shows no matter what you say; we all know homers cant bet against their own team; you are truly and i really feel sorry for you; you for some reason think i have an obsession about you; i think you funny in a comical way because you are such a homer; what did you do all these years when USC sucked; i thought it was funny hearing carroll cry about williams he knows what everyone else knows; without williams usc has 4 wr's with a total of 24 catches between them; and put an oline with no experience; who cares how talented they are and that makes for lots of sacks and lots of dropped balls; overrated lienhart cant just throw it up and expect his wr to come down with it; like i said BYE BYE MIKEY AND GOOD RIDDINS :moon: :142lmao: :142lmao:

 

[Scott4USC]

bbk

Nice way to welcome a new member to Madjacks. I am not Flapjack and you are more than welcomed to e-mail Madjack and find out. He can give you the ISP for the post. Here is another example of you not concentrating on the what is said inside the post but rather talking about me. That is called an obsession. You owe Flapjack an apology. BBK why not try posting something about college football instead of involving me into every post of yours. That is called an obsession.

what did you do all these years when USC sucked

I supported my team. I did experience success for USC. How about 4 ROSE BOWL appearances and the 1988 showdown against ND #1 vs #2 was awesome despite ND spanking us. I did not experience National Championships until last year but I always supported USC and always will.

USC has not sucked in the last 15 years. I think USC in the last 15 years combined was at least a top 30 program.

Have a nice day BBK!

 

[bbk]

I just emailed MJ and he said that Flapjack is you
hahahahahahahaha; That is soo sad; everyone that reads this just lost any little bit of respect they had for you which i doubt was any; thanks for telling me email MJ it worked; I just hop vtech wins so you will just leave your homer views at home; I still cant stop laughing about mike williams what a total knobjob. :moon: :142lmao: :142lmao:
bye bye mickey and lucas :sadwave: :clap:
truly pathetic

 

[trump tight]

LA Times 8/27/04

Kevin Lennon, the NCAA's vice president for membership services, said: "There were two obstacles facing Mike for eligibility, one related to academics and one related to amateurism, and sports agents in particular. Either one was sufficient to prohibit participation in competition. In this case, neither obstacle could be cleared."

Just because you didn't get the answer you wanted doesn't mean that it was the wrong one.

I think we'd all love to see Mike Williams and Jeremy Bloom play football this season - they're both great players, and have great stories. But when you break the rules - there are consequences. We can't all have our Burger King Life - Make it MY WAY! :cursin:

What you may not be HEARING is the NCAA stated - This is what you'll have to do to BE CONSIDERED for reinstatement. You're right - they could've made their decision months ago before seeing his grades or that he filled out all of the necessary paperwork that they asked for- but they'd be villified for making a decision too quickly and not giving him a chance. Either way if they said no to him being reinstated - they are the big bad bullies. The only way they win is to give into his request, and as Blackman stated - they'd be opening up pandora's box with anything less than a resounding NO.

 

[Scott4USC]

bbk

just emailed MJ and he said that Flapjack is you hahahahahahahaha; That is soo sad; everyone that reads this just lost any little bit of respect they had for you which i doubt was any; thanks for telling me email MJ it worked

For starters Flapjack is NOT me and I of all people would know that. I am shocked Madjack would say that he is me. I think you are making this up. I really feel sorry now for the poster Flapjack. He has done nothing wrong here and you BBK falsely are accusing him of being me. Please post what Madjack told you but I think you are lying. Why wouldn't Madjack send me an e-mail telling me NOT to have 2 screen names? Think about it.

Why can't you talk college football? Why do you always include me in your posts? That is called an obsession.

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as Blackman stated - they'd be opening up pandora's box with anything less than a resounding NO.

I strongly disagree with that. First of all this is a very unique situation and most likely would never happen again. 2nd, Williams never took anybody to court or challenged any ruling. It was Clarret who did. Therefore making an exception for Williams would have been the right thing to do. If the NCAA did not want Williams back, they should have ended this months ago and NOT make Mike take 2 summer school classes, pay back all the money, and file all the paperwork. Plain and simple the NCAA handled this poorly and as Carroll said "was very cold and insensitive to Mike and his family."

 

[Blackman]

I strongly disagree with that. First of all this is a very unique situation and most likely would never happen again. 2nd, Williams never took anybody to court or challenged any ruling. It was Clarret who did. Therefore making an exception for Williams would have been the right thing to do. If the NCAA did not want Williams back, they should have ended this months ago and NOT make Mike take 2 summer school classes, pay back all the money, and file all the paperwork. Plain and simple the NCAA handled this poorly and as Carroll said "was very cold and insensitive to Mike and his family."

My point didn't have to do with Williams in court, but for the people next year and from now on that hire an agent and get drafted. You let Mike Williams back, then someone next year who hires an agent, then has a change of heart has precedent set to go back to college. NCAA wants to avoid the future headache of all those court cases.

 

[trump tight]

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. . . they should have ended this months ago and NOT make Mike take 2 summer school classes"

Tell me again - I forgot - why do you go to college in the first place?

Choose to hear what you would like - as you do most of the time. ONE LAST TIME FOR THE SLOWER CHILDREN:

The NCAA didn't MAKE mike williams do jack shiot! He brought all of this upon himself plain and simple- PERIOD.

They stated: If you want to be CONSIDERED for reinstatement - you'll have to do X, Y, and Z. When you complete all of these things, then we'll CONSIDER you for reinstatement. They didn't say - If you do X, Y, and Z - BINGO you're a trojan again. . . DID THEY? Maybe they did - I didn't see that press clipping.

That f'ing fool should be grateful that they didn't rip his scholarship! He still gets a free education! And yes, this semester and any other he chooses to complete would be FREE! He actually doesn't have to play - or for that matter study game plans, or anything else that comes along with getting a scholarship. In fact, he actually has access to what amounts to a personal trainer for the next semester to stay in shape for the NFL draft NEXT YEAR

 

[trump tight]

It was stated today that up until this last week evidence was turned in that Mike Williams accepted more than $300,000.00 and lied to the NCAA about the amount of money that he accepted from 3 (THREE) different sources. This apparently had something to do with the abrupt halt to the reinstatement process. The NCAA also stated that Mike Williams "total disregard" for the rules played a "significant part" in the decision that came down. The NCAA met with Williams during the Maurice Clarett hearing, and made it loud and clear what their stance was on athletes hiring agents, and accepting gifts. It was also stated by the NCAA today that 99% of the student-athletes that have applied for reinstatement have been granted eligibility by the NCAA.

Interesting. . . maybe the NCAA made the right decision after all. . . Oh wait - I said that in the first place.

 

[Sun Tzu]

The decision was right. The primary reason he hired the agent was to enhance his draft eligibility argument. The agent essentially said so on national tv at the time. One thing that troubles me is that no one has questioned how he supposedly came up with a couple hundred k to pay back the agent, gifts, endorsements, etc. I imagine there is more to this than meets the eye. It could be that the "completion of the investigation" involved the issue of the money, whether it was paid back and how. But as someone else indicated, if he really did give a rat's ass about school he wouldnt have dropped out in the first place. And I doubt he will fork out the tuition now.

 

[maverick2112]

After seeing him on ESPN........I came away with the impression he didnt want to play that bad anyway. Just another spoiled college star.
He takes a year off without the possibility of getting injured and becomes a top five draft choice next yr. He is already an instant millionaire without even ever having to play another down of football...............unless he pulls a Aaron Boone and gets hurt playing pickup hoops...............