Was the Pope right or wrong

[loungelizard]

Maybe this belongs in the other forum.


This is what I've seen of the popes quote. He was quoting someone else.

"The emperor comes to speak about the issue of jihad, holy war," Benedict said. "He said, I quote, 'Show me just what Muhammad brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached.'"

The pope did not explicitly agree with nor repudiate the comment.

Is this really all it takes to get Muslims all up in arms.

 

[THE HITMAN]

The Muslims get a lil hot when one even thinks or dreams that they as a group are of a violent nature.
So then what do they do? They threaten to attack Rome (Vatican) & kill the Pope.
And then they wonder all over again why people think that way of them.
Doesn't make much sense.

 

[JJ Reddick]

inevitable accelerated showdown that is dawning over this earth:

judaism/christianity vs. extreme muslims

 

[SixFive]

In his speech at the University of Regensburg on Tuesday, Benedict quoted criticism of Islam and the Prophet Mohammad by 14th century Byzantine Emperor Manuel II Palaeologus, who wrote that everything Mohammad brought was evil and inhuman, "such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached."

Benedict, who used the terms "jihad" and "holy war," repeatedly quoted Manuel's argument that spreading the faith through violence was unreasonable, adding: "Violence is incompatible with the nature of God and the nature of the soul."

BFD!!! Refreshing for the pope to actually take a stance on something. Too bad he's already apologized for it. All he did was quote some guy from the 1300s.

 

[bryanz]

He was right about what he said but, what he said incited violence. These ****ing crazies killed a NUN in retaliation because of words the Pope spoke. Not like they need a reason to kill. There is no dialog with the extremist, ( not all Muslims ) . I would think that the Pope having the audience of the world would be advised not to incite but to cool the flame that burns. As a world power and leader, He made a huge error.

 

[dawgball]

He was right about what he said but, what he said incited violence. These ****ing crazies killed a NUN in retaliation because of words the Pope spoke. Not like they need a reason to kill. There is no dialog with the extremist, ( not all Muslims ) . I would think that the Pope having the audience of the world would be advised not to incite but to cool the flame that burns. As a world power and leader, He made a huge error.

So cower to the bully just because he continues to be a threat?

I understand the philosophy like staying away from the crackhead on the street corner because you never know what the hell is going to do, but this is a world threat. I don't think sidelines is where other people of authority need to be.

 

[SixFive]

So cower to the bully just because he continues to be a threat?

I understand the philosophy like staying away from the crackhead on the street corner because you never know what the hell is going to do, but this is a world threat. I don't think sidelines is where other people of authority need to be.

agree, and it's too bad that's where the muslims in the free world continue to stand.

 

[RAYMOND]

THE TRUTH IS THE TRUTH , THESE PEOPLE ARE THE LOWEST FORM OF HUMAN LIFE


FVCK THEM ALL:thumb:

 

[AR182]

i'm not a fan of the vatican for various reasons, but
people,including the pope, should have the right to criticize any religion.

it's just another excuse for these muslim extremists to spew their hatred for those who don't fall into step with their ideology. now some are saying the the pope should be killed.

one day the leaders of this world will wakeup & realize what they are dealing with.

 

[kosar]

The Pope wasn't right OR wrong. It was nothing, and of course it sets off a fury with the 'peaceful' Muslims.

Arianna Huffington is babbling on about how the Pope was 'insensitive' and owes yet another, 'real' (that would be the fourth from the Vatican or him personally) apology.

The top Imam in India is calling for the Popes execution.

I watched scenes from a march/protest with a reported 20,000 people in Jakarta, Indonesia with TONS of kids from 5 to 12 marching and chanting, women with one and even two toddlers on their chest and tons of ignorant signs spotuing their same crap.

This was in the middle of the day (their time), in the very hot weather and on dusty roads. That's where these people want their kids at that time of day. Marching.

F*ck that. Call me a bigot, or whatever, but it's not simply a matter of the extremists, it's the whole religion. From the mother who has two toddlers attached to her chest 'protesting', to the suicide bombers blowing up churches in Gaza, to the people who murdered the nun in Somalia today. 4 shots to the head.

But we've become the gang that couldn't shoot straight. We dismembered the only secular country in that region. We can't control dinky Afghanistan and we sure as hell can't control Iraq, although we did hand that country to the radicals in Iran. Nice f*cking job.

 

[Chadman]

inevitable accelerated showdown that is dawning over this earth:

judaism/christianity vs. extreme muslims

This is something I have been entertaining sinced this broke. I don't think there are too many people on this planet that think the Pope should be killed for his commentary, and the "religious" ones are continuing to polarize others. I feel that if you play your cards right, people like this will seal their own fate. Too bad we are not spending the majority of our time, finances, armed forces and machinery fighting them.

Think of the possibilities, if our power was being used in the right way.

 

[djv]

I wish some of these religious folks would stay the hell out of politics. I wonder what he would have to say if the Catholic terrorist were still going nuts in Ireland. And he can stay out of how Catholic in America choose to live. Same goes for religious right who think they have a corner on Jesus. And see him in their bed rooms each night.
Was he right or wrong? Haven't A clue. Just know religion seems to have away of causing probems.

 

[gardenweasel]

He was right about what he said but, what he said incited violence. These ****ing crazies killed a NUN in retaliation because of words the Pope spoke. Not like they need a reason to kill. There is no dialog with the extremist, ( not all Muslims ) . I would think that the Pope having the audience of the world would be advised not to incite but to cool the flame that burns. As a world power and leader, He made a huge error.

and cartoons incite violence....and touching the koran the wrong way incites violence.....

depicting mohammaed at all incites violence...

taking a dump facing mecca incites violence....

and being a homosexual gets you hung....and showing an ankle gets a woman beaten....

how can you know every fricking thing that is and isn`t halal?.....

were catholics killing people because of the "davinci code"?...

did the joos call for murder after "the passion of the christ?"....

hitman hit the nail on the head(.."the pope says we're violent?... off with his head!!").....

and btw...the n.y. times is blaming the pope(shocking,i know)......

talk about irony....in europe...britain actually...

if you stood in london with a sign that said "homosexuality is a sin", you would likely be arrested.

if you stood in front of a mosque in britain with a dead pig, you would likely be arrested....or decapitated...

if you call for the death of tony blair, or the pope in london apparently nothing happens to you....

sooooo,what happens when the brits lose control and under sharia law homosexuality becomes a crime punished by death?....

conundrum....


off topic(or maybe not).. four canadian soldiers dead today in afghanistan.....a suicide bomber on a bike.....they were giving candy to children and interacting with the locals.....many of the locals were killed and injured, including children.....

limbs blown off...eyes blown out,paralyzed children....brain damage...

 

[loungelizard]

I would usually agree with what DJV said but not in this case, even though I really don't believe the pope said anything wrong, although he seems to be getting the credit, someone had to to say it, so he quoted a historic emperor, and the message unfortunately was lost, that violence for the cause of religion is wrong. I am sure there are good hearted Muslims in this world but when will some of them stand up to the radicals, all you ever see are Muslims firing guns in the air, burning something and chanting "death to America" just getting sick of it, and scared for all of our kids as it seems this will be going on for a long time.

Peace,
ll

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

from the grapevine--

Double Standard?

An Al Qaeda-linked extremist group is threatening the pope and the non-Muslim world with the very thing the pope is in trouble for criticizing last week: conversion by force.

The Mujahedeen Shura Council ? which includes Al Qaeda in Iraq ? says: "You and the West are doomed as you can see from the defeat in Iraq, Afghanistan, Chechnya and elsewhere. We will break up the cross, spill the liquor and impose head tax, then the only thing acceptable is a conversion or the sword."

Thought this of interest as a sidenote--

Explosive Evidence?

The Associated Press has gone public with complaints about the U.S. military's detention of a freelance Iraqi photographer ? who's been held for five months without charges.

Fallujah native Bilal Hussein, whose photographs of Iraqi insurgents were part of a Pulitzer Prize winning collection, was arrested in May with an alleged Al Qaeda leader and accused of being a security threat. The AP never reported the story.

But now the AP is calling for Hussein to be charged or released, saying it hasn't found any evidence to support that claim.

The military, however, says bomb-making materials were found in the apartment where Hussein was captured and that he tested positive for traces of explosives. The AP doesn't mention that until the 36th paragraph of its story on the matter.

 

[pirate fan]

I wish some of these religious folks would stay the hell out of politics. I wonder what he would have to say if the Catholic terrorist were still going nuts in Ireland. And he can stay out of how Catholic in America choose to live. Same goes for religious right who think they have a corner on Jesus. And see him in their bed rooms each night.
Was he right or wrong? Haven't A clue. Just know religion seems to have away of causing probems.

It is not religion, it is the people who use it for their agenda, such as the radical muslims who are nothing but evil. I back the Pope as many need to speak out against what is going on but to many live in fear of retribution from these crazies. You can't create a different world with indifferent people. These people just hide behind Islam which is a peaceful religion to promote their fundamentalism. They are a sickness and evil spreading throughout the world. People like the Pope are right in calling a murderer a murderer. I only wish people of this faith would stand up to it and call them out as the radicals they are.

 

[bryanz]

and cartoons incite violence....and touching the koran the wrong way incites violence.....

depicting mohammaed at all incites violence...

taking a dump facing mecca incites violence....

and being a homosexual gets you hung....and showing an ankle gets a woman beaten....

how can you know every fricking thing that is and isn`t halal?.....

were catholics killing people because of the "davinci code"?...

did the joos call for murder after "the passion of the christ?"....

hitman hit the nail on the head(.."the pope says we're violent?... off with his head!!").....

and btw...the n.y. times is blaming the pope(shocking,i know)......

talk about irony....in europe...britain actually...

if you stood in london with a sign that said "homosexuality is a sin", you would likely be arrested.

if you stood in front of a mosque in britain with a dead pig, you would likely be arrested....or decapitated...

if you call for the death of tony blair, or the pope in london apparently nothing happens to you....

sooooo,what happens when the brits lose control and under sharia law homosexuality becomes a crime punished by death?....

conundrum....


off topic(or maybe not).. four canadian soldiers dead today in afghanistan.....a suicide bomber on a bike.....they were giving candy to children and interacting with the locals.....many of the locals were killed and injured, including children.....

limbs blown off...eyes blown out,paralyzed children....brain damage...

Words have meaning but are so subjective. I don't know how you read my post and come up with this ? I guess this proves my point. A crazy extremist like you can read my thoughts and come up with this irrational tirade and some can react to what the Pope said with violence. I did say that the Pope was right about what he said but a person of such influence and power has to think before he speaks. This Pope would have done better if he traveled the word and found the most crowded movie theater and stood up and yelled fire. Yes he spoke the truth as most see it, but for what ? I think of the position of Pope as a position of power, to be used to bring people together. I know the truth will set us free. The next time a wife ask, does this make me look fat ? Tell her the truth. Call her a fat pig. Where do you go from there ? Where does this Pope go from here ? What was his point ? What was he trying to accomplish ?

 

[JT]

Nothing wrong with what the Pope said. Sorry he apologized too.

 

[loungelizard]

I don't think he apologized, he said sorry for the misunderstanding, the words he used were not his own, his message to me anyway was very clear, religion whether Christian, Muslim, Jewish...and violence don't mix, Don't spread religion with violence how simple, it's a shame Muslims didn't get the message, but he did not say sorry. I don't know how the Mid-East folks get there news, but the press there could probably do the world a favor if they gave the whole story.

 

[bryanz]

Nothing wrong with what the Pope said. Sorry he apologized too.

I agree on both points but. The questions of the year are : Why did he say what he did ? What was the point ? What was he trying to accomplish ? This is the Pope we are talking about, not some guy at the corner bar, throwing shit to the wind. If the Pope intends to stand with our President in a modern day holly war I understand. If not, Why voice the obvious and incite violence ?