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DOGS THAT BARK

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Stevie--and here I thought you might be commenting on--



Elaborate on this statement.


To date- every change obie has made-- has been advantageous to terrorist and detrimentle to those who look out for us.
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Stevie--and here I thought you might be commenting on--



Elaborate on this statement.


To date- every change obie has made-- has been advantageous to terrorist and detrimentle to those who look out for us.
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--- no comment--is only answer from your prespective.

And who's opinion is that statement from. What proof do you have that statement is true. It is just someone's opinion and I don't agree with it.

Any comment on the "Why Chaney Was Wrong?" article? By the same guy you seem to quote as some kind of sage.
 

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And who's opinion is that statement from. What proof do you have that statement is true. It is just someone's opinion and I don't agree with it.

Any comment on the "Why Chaney Was Wrong?" article? By the same guy you seem to quote as some kind of sage.

Stevie, u ever get the feeling that debating with these whackjobs is like debating if water is wet and then u have to listen to their nonsense on why it isn't? One thing these neo con thinkers have is staying power. I can see it breaking down Smurph and im not far behind. It is like a complete waste of time. They just keep coming and coming with their backwards hillbilly garbage. I always thought maybe they thought people were just stupid but in all honesty these nitwits believe this garbage they spew. I would love to have a debate with one of these jokes if we could both sit on an island for a year then come back and be given a topic. Then put us in a room to discuss it. Can u imagine these guys without Fox and nitwit neo-con radio giving them their thoughts and they had to be on their own? Just painfully watch Fox for a day and then come to the board and it is like watching Fox all over again. even Rupert himself said his station is a joke and they still fall for the nonsense that comes from it.
 

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And who's opinion is that statement from. What proof do you have that statement is true. It is just someone's opinion and I don't agree with it.

Any comment on the "Why Chaney Was Wrong?" article? By the same guy you seem to quote as some kind of sage.

I'm waiting for examples from you or anyone else to the contrary?

I don't think retreat---get terrorist attorneys-free gitmo detainies-no enhanced interrogations-trying to prosecute those that kept us safe etc are "opinions"

On Cheney -- Just because an author write one thing you agree with certainly doesn't mean regardless of what he writes afterwards one would agree--thats the liberal way on life.

Would be like me saying because you vote for Barney--you agree with his pole smoking agenda--now wouldn't it? :)
 
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Stevie, u ever get the feeling that debating with these whackjobs is like debating if water is wet and then u have to listen to their nonsense on why it isn't? One thing these neo con thinkers have is staying power. I can see it breaking down Smurph and im not far behind. It is like a complete waste of time. They just keep coming and coming with their backwards hillbilly garbage. I always thought maybe they thought people were just stupid but in all honesty these nitwits believe this garbage they spew.

Spongey? Staying power's easy for these Neonuts because just start thread after thread by making some absurd statement and then instead of defending it, they just keep shifting the argument with their hit & run posts, avoiding any real debate with unrelated rants or links to nonsensical Youtube videos and Fox News propaganda.
 

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It is so easy to see why Waterbording must not work very well. If you have to do it over 50/100 times befor gietting any info. Well Your going to be a little late. Since they say you can only do it a coupel tmes a day with out drowning that person. I guess If L A was next it happened alredy. Or as Mc Cain SAID IT DON,T WORK.
 

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Wayne, you've asked questions about Gitmo, terrorists, torture, etc., in this manner many times. I know I've responded in kind about this a few times, and it remains a scenario that is arguable at the very least, and at odds with living in a true democracy scenario in a very real sense.

You believe it's more important to engage in these activities to the exclusion of any other way of thinking or acting. I get that. Many people don't share your viewpoint, including myself, on many of these issues. I think there are ways to behave in true honorable and law-abiding ways that can also have strong and positive effects on making sure our country is safe. But to be continually lectured about how our country needs to act by people who support the last administration is again arguable, at best. This is not a black and white area - it's very gray - and there is not one true good solution. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but that doesn't make everyone right or even sensible about some things.

The last administration REQUIRED we all follow their desires with blind faith. We all learned that in doing that, we were foolish, in some cases. And we continue to learn that it may not have been just in SOME cases. There simply is more than one way to look at most situations, and there really only seems to be one side of this argument that can only allow for one way to think...and that to me is wrong.
 

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A simple question--

will eveyone here against enhanced interrogations including waterboarding sign a petion to that fact--and mail me your address so if we are popped because lack of it--I can send your names and addresses to victims families?


--and I see where our no experience/qualifications Pinkie in Chief is now going to release photo's of interrogations.:mad:

My advice would be to double his security when around our troops or other line of defenses--

--anyone who thought this dysfunctional offspring isn't on the puppet strings of moveon-sorus-aclu etc ought to have little doubt now--it was pandering to them at risk of reprecussion to troops and set back intelligence agencies 20 years--and he made his choice--or should I say others made it for him.:nono:
 

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do we even know who this mastermind is ? bin laden is one of us... NO ??? bought and paid for with your tax payer dollars, if you pay taxes, right ???? He helped us defeat the russians in afghanistan... NO ? saddam was our buddy.. NO ? The shaw of iran was our buddy... NO ?? The list is endless... Our government has sponsored terrorist around the world.. Our government has played house with "evil doers"/ dictators around the world. You sound like a terrorist.. Most Americans don't embrace your values or the values of our government and the people you hate... You don't even think like a free man... There is nothing from the spirit of America in this quote. Simply sad, if you ask me.
Couldn't agree more bryanz. If Bin Laden was the enemy, he would've been caught by now.
 

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Our government was asleep with 9/11. The info was there and not used. Maybe someone wanted it that way.
I see today we found out Cheney Ok'd us breaking the law even earlier then first reported. This law we help write when Reagan was in office. Yes A REB.
 

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A simple question--

will eveyone here against enhanced interrogations including waterboarding sign a petion to that fact--and mail me your address so if we are popped because lack of it--I can send your names and addresses to victims families

It's not that simple, although you remain a master at putting out a nebulous unspecified scenario and wrapping it up with a ridiculous bow. I don't think - and I'll mail you my address on this "if we're popped" if it's important to you - that America should hold captives for "enhanced periods of time" without any evidence nor admission of guilt, nor proof of either, all the while never being charged with anything. All the while, using torture tactics against those people that as Americans we hold others accountable for as being unacceptable.

I think it should be easy to put a time limit on holding people, and I don't think that time limit should extend into multiple years. And I don't think it's acceptable to pay unscrupulous characters in foreign countries (who may be terrorists themselves) cash to turn over people for unknown or unnamed reasons.

Again, from my perspective, if you can prove actual terrorism, or show sensible links to it, then so be it. America still stands for justice and due process, and that is what makes our country great - and stand apart from these other animals. To throw away everything that our country and constitution stands for, is just wrong. We remain - perhaps up until the past administration - a nation of laws and if we throw those things away whenever it's convenient to make a case, then we undermine what so many others before us fought for and died for.
 

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You will never change my mind and I will never change yours, I respect you but don't agree with you

I will go to my grave never voting for one Democrat/Liberal party member in any race

Why do you keeping running away from me? :mj07: :mj07: :mj07:
 
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