WE ARE! IN DENIAL!

[fatdaddycool]

So as long as someone cheats per NCAA rules, and doesn't get caught while they or perhaps the coach is at the school, then no harm no foul?

Kind of funny to actually see cheat and NCAA in the same sentence and not have the accusation leveled at them. You know, since they are by definition a cheating organization in the first place. They profit off of student athletes and then try to impose rules........as long as they still make money of course. Just saying.

 

[layinwood]

Good post and good points. My answer is that it was covered up to prevent irreparable harm to the entire university but provided no competitive edge to the players or coaches. It did not "add" anything to their program.

I don't think it provided a competitve edge but it doesn't have to. Ohio St players getting tatoos didn't provide one. Bush's family getting a house didn't provide one. The fact is that if this would have come out earlier it might have hurt their football program.

 

[Dice34]

So as long as someone cheats per NCAA rules, and doesn't get caught while they or perhaps the coach is at the school, then no harm no foul?

where did I say no harm no foul?

you sir receive the jump to conclusions mat

there needs to be another way...then taking it out on 99.9% of kids that had nothing to do with said matter....

and can't it be as simple as that my point is simply that I hate the fact that innocent bystanders get the heat for another's actions?:shrug:


way to just imply that I said cheating was A ok as long as player/coach wasn't there

 

[The Sponge]

http://deadspin.com/5926679/plane-flying-above-penn-state-warns-take-down-the-statue-or-we-will

 

[fatdaddycool]

I don't think it provided a competitve edge but it doesn't have to. Ohio St players getting tatoos didn't provide one. Bush's family getting a house didn't provide one. The fact is that if this would have come out earlier it might have hurt their football program.

Dude,
Trust me if the NCAA blew up today I wouldn't miss a beat. Their rulings and what they consider themselves to be is a mystery to me. I was just saying that in response to another person's post.

 

[Mr. Poon]

where did I say no harm no foul?

you sir receive the jump to conclusions mat

there needs to be another way...then taking it out on 99.9% of kids that had nothing to do with said matter....

and can't it be as simple as that my point is simply that I hate the fact that innocent bystanders get the heat for another's actions?:shrug:


way to just imply that I said cheating was A ok as long as player/coach wasn't there

alright then, carry on.

 

[marine]

Kind of funny to actually see cheat and NCAA in the same sentence and not have the accusation leveled at them. You know, since they are by definition a cheating organization in the first place. They profit off of student athletes and then try to impose rules........as long as they still make money of course. Just saying.

no no no, you're thinking of slavery not the NCAA. Where a group of people (quite often of a minority ethnic upbringing) are controlled and put to work to make those above them money, while not recieving a fair wage themselves.


Wait... yea, sorry, we really are talking about the NCAA. Sometimes I get them confused.

 

[azbob]

Read the article posted from Mark Emmert...he is saying exactly what has been said here:

1) this is a football program issue and a leadership, cultural issue at PS

2) this is unlike any other NCAA violation situation

3) PS has yet to act

When you understand that this is a failure of PS leadership and representative of a sick, sick culture, it is an easy jump to say they need at least a year to figure out how to fix it.

All of the noise posted here about gamblers profiting, hating PS, the debate team, student transfers, killing babies and fill in the blank regarding the other idiocy, is simply because of the lemming like fanatical love for some train that has left the station long ago. (it is comical though)

At least FDC makes Marine seem coherent. And yes, that is an opinion and I don't even know you.

Where are the ciminal indicments in this situation and sponsors should start walking away until the PS Board takes action.

 

[saint]

A suspension or shut down of the football program there will be exponentially more than just that. A suspension or shut down of the football program will be a death call for nearly an entire town surrounding the campus who's majority income is dependent upon the tens of thousands of people that show up to watch football games.

Ah. Finally. The basis of your irrational responses.

This is irrelevant. As in, has no impact on whether or not the NCAA should sanction a program. It's an unfortunate side effect, but not something that comes into play. Those are things that the men who did wrong should have considered.

I get it, you're a homer. As much as I love Carolina if this happened here I'd call for the death penalty.

 

[marine]

For every Mark Emmert article there is another article by someone else stating the opposite.


This man, is thinking straight and not letting emotion cloud his judgement:

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politic...ng-penn-state-football-is-a-really-dumb-idea/
?Look, this is awful, gut-wrenching. And people that I really respect are talking about the ?death penalty? for Penn State football,? Carville said on the ?This Week? roundtable, referring to calls for the NCAA to effectively shut down the Penn State football program for several years as punishment. ?That is a really dumb idea. Lives have been ruined, so the answer to it, let?s go out and ruin more lives??

?Let?s take a kid who?s a football player who was in the second grade when this happened and let?s suspend the program. Who knows what he?s going to do with his education?? Carville added. ?Let?s take every contract that?s been signed ? everybody that has a motel in Happy Valley, let?s ruin their lives as a retaliation.?

Carville argued instead that the Penn State football program should be allowed to continue so it can generate money, which can then be used to compensate the victims of Sandusky?s child abuse.

?Let Penn State football play, let them make money, bring the trial lawyers in, pluck that chicken clean,? Carville said.

 

[marine]

Ah. Finally. The basis of your irrational responses.

This is irrelevant. As in, has no impact on whether or not the NCAA should sanction a program. It's an unfortunate side effect, but not something that comes into play. Those are things that the men who did wrong should have considered.

I get it, you're a homer. As much as I love Carolina if this happened here I'd call for the death penalty.

Negative.
This is not the basis of my "irrational response". This is what will happen if the masses are able to get their wish in their rush to disciplinary action.

Joe Paterno (the head of the football program)was involved --> shut down the football program
Curley (the head of the entire Athletics Dept) was involved --> shut down everything in the athletics department
Spanier was involved --> shut down everything under his purview.

And yet all I hear is people wanting just the football program knocked out.

Here's a tip: Simply suspending the football program for however long is not going to change things.
It's cool to get on the bandwagon and chant it, but the only thing it is going to do is punish the surrounding community.

You dolts say - shut down the program, and let the student athletes transfer to another school and get their eligibility and funding and everything else taken care of... Great, now you haven't even punished the football players and are letting the surrounding community bear the full burden of your punishment by erasing football from the community and destoying the livelihood of the small business in the community that are dependent upon the flow of traffic generated by the football season.
Brilliant. Pure, fucking, Brilliant.

 

[fatdaddycool]

Read the article posted from Mark Emmert...he is saying exactly what has been said here:

1) this is a football program issue and a leadership, cultural issue at PS

2) this is unlike any other NCAA violation situation

3) PS has yet to act

When you understand that this is a failure of PS leadership and representative of a sick, sick culture, it is an easy jump to say they need at least a year to figure out how to fix it.

All of the noise posted here about gamblers profiting, hating PS, the debate team, student transfers, killing babies and fill in the blank regarding the other idiocy, is simply because of the lemming like fanatical love for some train that has left the station long ago. (it is comical though)

At least FDC makes Marine seem coherent. And yes, that is an opinion and I don't even know you.

Where are the ciminal indicments in this situation and sponsors should start walking away until the PS Board takes action.

You know what, I have held my tongue enough with you. I read the guys story and what part of fucking STORY did you not get. Did they shut the fucking thing down??? NO, they have not. You and everyone else is speculating, it is simple speculation. Can you understand that, do you know what speculation is? You WANT the NCAA to shut down PENN STATES FOOTBALL PROGRAM AND THAT IS YOUR ENTIRE MOTIVATION. You don't give a fuck who it harms or even how it happens. You don't have a fucking clue as to whether or not it is a football issue until someone that knows what the fuck they are talking about tells you that it will. You didn't answer on fucking question I asked you which means I was correct about you all along. You have no moral structure nor integrity to even try to make a comprehensive and knowledgeable argument out of anything. Who the fuck is Mark Emmerit and why am I to give a fuck? He's a reporter and you are vindictive ASU fan that has no compassion for the lives of the young adults affected by this tragedy. You are so blinded by your stupidity that you can't even make a point anymore. What the fuck is your point other than to come on to MJ's and repeatedly tell everyone you think they should shut down PS football for a year because you think so?? Seriously, what the fuck is your point? You think I am incoherent, I will take the pepsi challenge with you anytime bro. Anytime you want to try to sound smart, find another reporter that you vaguely agree with and post his article because that makes it right. Yes you were right, it is so now because you say it is.

My fucking gawd there are some dumb fucking people on here and yes azbob I think you are fucking dumb. Gap toothed, mullet wearing, window licking, Wings watching, I don't get it, git "R" done dumb.

By the way, you never answered the O.J. question, or any of them for that matter, I wonder why? Did Mark Emmerit not pen an article on this telling you what to think?

On the other side with you here bob, but good luck with your play.


Hope that helps,
FDC

 

[grooven]

:mj07:

 

[saint]

Negative.
This is not the basis of my "irrational response". This is what will happen if the masses are able to get their wish in their rush to disciplinary action.

Joe Paterno (the head of the football program)was involved --> shut down the football program
Curley (the head of the entire Athletics Dept) was involved --> shut down everything in the athletics department
Spanier was involved --> shut down everything under his purview.

And yet all I hear is people wanting just the football program knocked out.

Here's a tip: Simply suspending the football program for however long is not going to change things.
It's cool to get on the bandwagon and chant it, but the only thing it is going to do is punish the surrounding community.

You dolts say - shut down the program, and let the student athletes transfer to another school and get their eligibility and funding and everything else taken care of... Great, now you haven't even punished the football players and are letting the surrounding community bear the full burden of your punishment by erasing football from the community and destoying the livelihood of the small business in the community that are dependent upon the flow of traffic generated by the football season.
Brilliant. Pure, fucking, Brilliant.

You don't get it. They were all involved and acted with one singular goal: To protect the football program.

This was PROVEN with emails.

Their position means nothing. They were protecting the program, failure to divulge it gave them a competitive advantage (if it were released they surely would have lost recruits, donors), and they should be punished by NCAA rules for lack of institutional control.

 

[saint]

For every Mark Emmert article there is another article by someone else stating the opposite.


This man, is thinking straight and not letting emotion cloud his judgement:

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politic...ng-penn-state-football-is-a-really-dumb-idea/
?Look, this is awful, gut-wrenching. And people that I really respect are talking about the ?death penalty? for Penn State football,? Carville said on the ?This Week? roundtable, referring to calls for the NCAA to effectively shut down the Penn State football program for several years as punishment. ?That is a really dumb idea. Lives have been ruined, so the answer to it, let?s go out and ruin more lives??

?Let?s take a kid who?s a football player who was in the second grade when this happened and let?s suspend the program. Who knows what he?s going to do with his education?? Carville added. ?Let?s take every contract that?s been signed ? everybody that has a motel in Happy Valley, let?s ruin their lives as a retaliation.?

Carville argued instead that the Penn State football program should be allowed to continue so it can generate money, which can then be used to compensate the victims of Sandusky?s child abuse.

?Let Penn State football play, let them make money, bring the trial lawyers in, pluck that chicken clean,? Carville said.

That is an entirely separate topic...how the NCAA punishes. When Reggie Bush was taking liberties some of the kids who were punished were in 9th grade. What's the point?

The NCAA can't punish people who have already left. Unfortunately recruits and current players pay the penalty of the program. THIS case is no different than any other NCAA case in that regard.

I've already asked it and you failed to answer.

If you cut through all the emotion and all the bullshit, there is only 1 question that needs to be answered in regards to possible NCAA punishment.

Did PSu receive a competitive advantage by their actions? If you feel yes, then NCAA is within their regulations to punish. If you feel no, then they are not. As stated above, the reason they didn't come out, which has been proven with email correspondences, was to protect the program. It's been PROVEN. So why would they need to protect it? Because divulging a child rapist on their staff definitely would have been a short-term hit on recruiting and fundraising. So they had an advantage they shouldn't have.

The NCAA needs to punish this in some way to send the message that if actions anything remotely close to this are take to protect a program the NCAA will act. Trust me, I'm sure there are at least 10 other programs with deep, dark skeletons in their closets like this-

 

[azbob]

While this thread is increasingly comical, I think we should start a new one that reflects the gravity of the situation.

Let's sign off with these classics:

1. "Mark Emmert (the President of the NCAA) is just another guy." Yes...the guy who can do what is right and put the program in its place. (FDC...you thinking he is a reporter and not even looking him up or reading the article is reflective of your ignorance on most of these issues)

2. FDC laments that the NCAA is enforcing rules...I think you should be more worried about the attorney general enforcing laws.

3. Marine has suddently found his inner-Al Sharpton and has come out in opposition to slavery.

4. And we have the voice of reason, James Carville, quoted as saying let the trial lawyers have at it. Of course, his democratic buddies will love this as all of the dollars paid out will not come from the university but, rather from the taxpayers of PA.

FDC, no doubt you hold a degree in English from PS but, drop your pompoms and take a deep breath. You should get to know Mark Emmert...you can also think of him as judge, jury and executioner.

I had to add an edit as I just realized neither Marine or FDC know who Emmert is...you can't make this stuff up.

 

[buddy]

Erickson says he does not plan to suspend Penn State football
July 17, 2012 6:42 pm

By Laura Olson / Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

UNIVERSITY PARK, Pa. -- Hours after a plane circling above State College was calling for the removal of Joe Paterno's bronze statue, Penn State University president Rodney Erickson said a decision on the memorial's future could be announced within 10 days.

Mr. Erickson addressed the controversy surrounding how to portray Mr. Paterno's legacy and other hurdles facing the university during a twenty-minute interview with the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette Tuesday afternoon.

The interview was part of a packed schedule of meetings with reporters as the university attempts to rebuild its public image following last week's devastating report.

That document, assembled by former FBI director Louis Freeh, concluded that Penn State officials concealed accusations that former assistant football coach Jerry Sandusky sexually abused boys in order to avoid negative publicity.

Mr. Paterno was implicated along with former president Graham Spanier, retired university vice president Gary Schultz and former athletic director Tim Curley, as key figures in the decisions to hide Mr. Sandusky's actions from the public.

The long-time head football coach died in January, and was not interviewed by Mr. Freeh's team.

Mr. Erickson, who was promoted from his role as provost in the days after Mr. Sandusky's November arrest, said he is consulting with advisers on the President's Council and "key members" of the board of trustees as to what type of association the university should have with Mr. Paterno's name and legacy.

Cries have grown louder in recent days to remove the statue of Mr. Paterno that has been located outside Beaver Stadium since 2001.

While the plane spotted above campus today carried a banner reading, "Take The Statue Down or We Will," visitors posing for pictures there this afternoon said removing it would be short-sighted.

 

[kickserv]

Notice that Marine isn't defending Paterno any longer.

His tune has changed a bit since 6 months ago I see.

Just sayin'

 

[saint]

For the record I do not think the statue should be taken down.

 

[fatdaddycool]

While this thread is increasingly comical, I think we should start a new one that reflects the gravity of the situation.

Let's sign off with these classics:

1. "Mark Emmert (the President of the NCAA) is just another guy." Yes...the guy who can do what is right and put the program in its place. (FDC...you thinking he is a reporter and not even looking him up or reading the article is reflective of your ignorance on most of these issues)

2. FDC laments that the NCAA is enforcing rules...I think you should be more worried about the attorney general enforcing laws.

3. Marine has suddently found his inner-Al Sharpton and has come out in opposition to slavery.

4. And we have the voice of reason, James Carville, quoted as saying let the trial lawyers have at it. Of course, his democratic buddies will love this as all of the dollars paid out will not come from the university but, rather from the taxpayers of PA.

FDC, no doubt you hold a degree in English from PS but, drop your pompoms and take a deep breath. You should get to know Mark Emmert...you can also think of him as judge, jury and executioner.

I had to add an edit as I just realized neither Marine or FDC know who Emmert is...you can't make this stuff up.

I have a degree in English Lit from UIC and a degree in chemistry from UIC. I am also in school now trying to obtain my Masters in Nursing in Texas. I never went to Penn State and have already stated a number of times that I don't follow college sports but again, nobody apparently read that part to you! You are right I didn't read the article and you are the one that said Read the article posted from Mark Emmert...he is saying exactly what has been said here: so again Mark posted it? And because I don't know the NCAA President's name and and I mistakenly assumed you had a grasp of who he was after having someone read the article to you, I am comically stupid and incoherent huh? You can't even figure out what the fuck someone has continually repeated to you time and time again. I don't speculate nor do I stand on some higher moral ground and call for the punishment of the innocent. I don't give a fuck what Tom Skerritt or Mark Emmeritt or anyone else fucking says. That doesn't make it right and you are still grasping at bullshit.



I will ask you directly again, I double fucking dog dare you to try and give a straight and truthful answer. You and I both know you won't but it will prove a point. It is a very simple answer.

Do you not hold any contempt whatsoever for O.J. Simpson who was acquitted of murder charges? You stated that Ray Lewis' charges were dismissed, you were wrong or ignorant of the truth on that part also, and that the public should basically move on. Ray Lewis' charges weren't dismissed were they? No they weren't, you had no idea what happened yet you chose to speak on it as if you were some kind of authority. So answer the question mister morality. Do you go to bat for O.J. too? I doubt it, not enough people on that bandwagon huh?

Judge, jury and executioner huh? Maybe you are willing to submit to the notion that you are somehow suppose to give a fuck what SKerrit says buy I have a whole head full of free will chief so his words mean no more to me than your postings.

You still don't even have a clue to the argument is. Fuck why do I feel like if I shined a light beam on to the wall we would never hear from you again. Answer or address the question or fuck off.

Hope the helps,
FDC