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ATS: 6-7 ( -1.40 )
O/U: 2-3 ( -1.17 )
TOTAL: 8-10 ( -2.57 )




Two so far, looking at a few more.




Hawks -4 (-107)
Grizzlies -6 (-101)



Good luck!
 

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Raptors-Grizzlies

The Grizzlies continue to struggle to start this season, and surprisingly it is their defensive efficiency that is really hurting them, as they are in the bottom ten in the league in this area. This should improve over the season, as they have returned the same basic personnel. After their big win against the Warriors, they struggled against a superior Pacers team that plays their own slug-it-out-style of basketball. Tonight, they again get just what the doctor ordered, in a soft Raptors team that is coming off a tough double overtime loss.

Teams coming off losses need good locker rooms and team chemistry to be able to rally and get up for their next game. Good coaching and teamwork is something I fail to see in the Raptor?s organization. The Raptors are coming off a really ugly double overtime game, in which they trailed by big numbers for most of the game. They fought their way back, but teams coming off an overtime loss that were trailing by 8 or more points after the third quarter are 13-20-3 ATS (39.4%) when playing as a road dog over the last ten seasons. The Raptors expended a lot of energy working their way back into the game, and lacking much of a bench, their starters logged a lot of minutes. Their three backcourt players averaged 50 minutes. While we?re on the subject, their backcourt was particularly heinous in this game, shooting 22.8% from the field, while taking 68.4% of all available shots. Don?t expect this to improve much tonight, as they are the fourth to last effective backcourt in the league, maintaining the third to last field goal percentage, and Rudy Gay should push his limits, as he wants to have a good performance against his old team.

Teams coming off a game that had at least two overtimes are 25-44-1 ATS (36.2%) when playing as a road dog since the 2006 season, losing by an average of 10.39 points per game. If they lost the overtime contest, they are just 7-17-1 (29.2%) in the same scenario. But looking deeper at the game, one can see how much effort and energy the Raptors expended, just to eventually lose. They attempted 114 field goals, which is 30 more than the Rockets attempted, and still lost, not surprisingly given that their effective field goal percentage was just 36.8. Teams coming off a road loss as a dog in a game where they attempted 100 or more shots from the field are 13-22-2 ATS (37.1%) when playing in another road game over the last ten seasons. Teams coming off a game where they had 19 or more field goal attempts than their previous opponent, and still lost as a road dog, are 29-48-1 ATS (37.7%) when playing again as a road dog, since the millennium. It is very deflating to go into overtime and have all the chances the Raptors had to put the game away, and still lose. To show the rarity of the situation, since the 1995 season, there have been over 21,000 team losses, but only 42 times has a team had 30 more field goal attempts than their opponent and lost. After these games, teams are 14-24-4 (36.8%) ATS. The Raptors also managed to selfishly rack up only 10 assists. Over the last five seasons, teams playing as a road dog coming off a game where they had ten or less assists are 13-26-1 ATS (33.3%). Since the 2006 season, teams playing as a road dog coming off a game where they had less than 10 assists, and more turnovers than assists are 9-46 SU (-9.27 points per game) and 19-35-1 ATS (35.2%).

When teams get tired, their legs tend to suffer most, and jump-shooting dependent teams face tough games in this spot. The Raptors are 0-11 SU, losing by 16.18 points per game when playing their sixth game in nine days as a road dog over the last two seasons, and teams playing their sixth game in nine days as a dog against the Grizzlies are 2-21 SU (losing by over 11 points per game) and 8-15 ATS (34.8%) since the core of Randolph, Conley, and Gasol have been playing for Memphis.

Tonight will be Rudy Gay?s first trip back to Memphis since being traded. He is shooting a career low 35.6% from the field, and don?t expect that the mad Grizzlies will take it easy on him defensively. The Grizzlies are the number one team in efficiency in the pick and roll offensively this season, while the Raptors are 29th in defending this play. Expect Conley and the bigs to take full advantage of this tonight. The Raptors are 1-4 SU on the road so far this season, averaging just 90.6 points in regulation, while the Grizzlies are 3-1 at home and shooting 50.5% from the field on their own floor. The Raptors are last in the league in assists per game, and fourth to last in field goal percentage. The Grizzlies should win both these statistical categories tonight, and when home favorites win these, they cover the spread 74.8% of the time over the last five seasons, and the Grizzlies themselves are 70-2 SU, winning by over 12 points per game and 56-15-1 ATS (78.9%) as a home favorite when they win these areas.

The Raptors as a dog are 1-8 SU (-10.56 points per game) and 2-7 ATS after Rudy Gay is their high scorer. The Raptors have been covering spreads, but teams that are on a three or more game ATS covering streak are 17-72 SU (-9.34 points per game) and 34-54-1 ATS (38.6%) over the last five seasons when they are coming off a road loss.

When the going gets rough, take the toughest opponent. Tonight, that?s Memphis.
 

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Doubled up my play on the Hawks... got the second unit at -4.5 (-105). I expect they should win by double digits. Always scary betting against the Knicks, who can get hot from long range at any given time, but this is as good a spot as any.
 

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My gosh golly

My gosh golly

That is a brilliant writeup, HH. You did everything except add a Q.E.D. at the end of that! :lol:

I was having some of the same thoughts, but not so logically organized and with great statistical backup and team/situational analysis.

I'm in and good luck tonite!! :0008
 

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Agree with your selection on the Atlanta Hawks who have been under-valued so far this season(5-2ATS). You hit the "Nail on the Head" when you talked about the Knicks. If they shoot under 40% from beyond the Arc, where they are averaging 33% on the year so far, I think the Hawks cover this # easily. :yup


Best of Luck HH!!! :0008
 
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Thanks yanno - the Grizzlies have looked fairly awful so far this season, but really they have had a lot of tough matchups for their team as well. Conley is one of the most undervalued players in the league - top ten at his position, and top tier basketball IQ as well. Raptors have looked better than they really are, and Dwane Casey is not a good coach. In fact, one of the worst endings to any basketball game ever was this season when the Raptors were playing on the road against the Bobcats. The Bobcats were up 92-90, and had the ball, and there was a 2 second differential between the shot clock and the game clock. So... the Raptors don't foul right away. Charlotte even called a time out with 5 seconds left, and the Raptors still didn't foul. With the shot clock expiring, Charlotte just heaved up a long three, and the rebound bounced high enough that the game just ended. That was seriously confounding... (I watch every game that is within a couple possessions at the end to see how coaches handle close games, and I am hard-pressed to find worse end-game management than that.)


double two - thanks... but I think you got the Knicks three point percentage wrong - they are averaging 32.4% so far from long distance this season, but indeed they struggle as a team when they shoot under 40% from the arc. I sure hope they shoot closer to their season average!!


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That is a brilliant writeup, HH. You did everything except add a Q.E.D. at the end of that! :lol:

I was having some of the same thoughts, but not so logically organized and with great statistical backup and team/situational analysis.

I'm in and good luck tonite!! :0008

No matter what sport it is HH always has the most detailed well thought out write ups. And an occasional stat that will blow you're mind! :scared thanks HH!
 

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Doubled up my play on the Hawks... got the second unit at -4.5 (-105). I expect they should win by double digits. Always scary betting against the Knicks, who can get hot from long range at any given time, but this is as good a spot as any.

Hope all is well. Can you elaborate on why you think this is a good "Spot"?
 

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Thanks Pound4Pound and pfj



ldabdou be careful what you wish for, you know once my fingers start typing they just go and go and go... haha.


I don't think the Knicks can survive without Chandler. They are a team of misfits. I've closely followed Melo's career from the start, and the cast that has been assembled around him could be classified as a bunch of individual parts that don't function well as a group. netw3rk wrote a great article on grantland about the Knicks at the beginning of the season. He opens the article: "The New York Knicks operate like a submarine plumbing the ocean depths ? its movements invisible from the surface, its pilots cut off from outside influence, navigating by echolocation and breathing each other?s recycled farts." I laughed, and then I nodded.

So, who is the best player on the Knicks? Take a moment, don't just jump to the natural conclusion, because it's wrong (at least according to a highly technical back-dated measuring tool). David Berri and co-authors wrote an interesting book recently called The Wages of Wins. They create a really good metric that measures wins produced by individual players. I think it is the best measurement for player's contribution to team success. So, let's return. Who is the best player on the Knicks based on producing wins for the team?

Don't say it. It's wrong. In fact Carmelo is not even in the top 5 last year, or this year for his team.

The Knicks team was correctly characterized by netw3rk as a vacuum. They are, and without Tyson Chander they may turn into a black hole. Funny that JR Smith came out with this today: "We miss our vets. The difference between Jason Kidd, Kurt Thomas, the Rasheed Wallaces is the communication. Last training camp we were 100 percent better on our communication skills on the defensive and offensive end. Myself, Melo, Ray have become the vets. We have to do better policing that."

I put less stock into his takes than my three-year-old's, but pretty uncool that he left their BEST player out of that mix. Tyson Chandler is the best player for the Knicks, by far. His impact on the team crushes Melo's, and considering that the Knicks already struggle on defense, they are leaving the court wide open tonight for a really good team to take advantage of them inside. Bargnani was the "perfect" player to add to this team - he fits in perfect with his over-hyped teammates, and he has little to no defensive presence on most evenings.

Anyway, all that was really nice and sounded kind of cool, but really my fingers just like to exercise. I also have this trend that is locked in my vault that has hit at a rate of 67.8% over the last ten seasons, and has actually picked up steam recently, hitting at 84.0% over the last five seasons in a pretty decent sample size. I can't exactly tell you what it is, but... the Hawks have got some sort of thing going, and don't mess with a good thing.

Finally, this Hawks team is a lot better than the team from last year. One reason - Josh Smith. Interesting that the Pistons are already struggling with him, and Mo Cheeks benched him in the last game. Anybody surprised? Nope. The Hawks are not super cool in any special way, and they have no big "superstar", but they are a really good team, and I predict that they will be a lot better this year than last year.

For what it's worth.

:shade:


Good luck!
 

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Further to the Raps game, just little caution. Their double OT loss was on Monday, so they had a day to rest up. It's still early in the season, and they are a young team.

On Raps Pregame show, saw that last night they all went to Rudy Gay's house in Memphis, with his mom etc. and just hung as a team and ate fried chicken :lol: catfish, greens, poke chops, and such.

So not sure their young legs will be all that tired tonite. But if Memphis can get their act together for a change, I still believe they can win if Gay insists on throwing up jacks and his team is trying to help him make a mark at "home" and feeding his ego as he tries to prove to Memphis that they were wrong in trading him.

Think I'll make a smaller parlay on Memphis/Atlanta on the ml with decent plus money.

Just an FYI and enjoy the game. :0002
 

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Raps Lack of Teamwork As Betting Angle? Just an FYI...

Raps Lack of Teamwork As Betting Angle? Just an FYI...

DeMar DeRozan and Rudy Gay need to spend a week in my kindergarten classroom learning how to share.


Over the first eight games of the season, DeRozan has attempted 142 field-goal attempts per game on 173 touches. Gay is even worse at 161 field-goal attempts on 201 touches.

It would be easier to accept this kind of shooting binge if either player was effective or on a hot streak, but Gay is ranked 222 in the NBA in points per possession (0.76) while DeRozan is ranked slightly better at 173 (0.81).

Combined, Toronto's not-dynamic duo is shooting 35% from the field and accounting for 44% of Toronto's field-goal attempts (303 of 680).

What all those stats boil down to is that whenever Gay and DeRozan touch the ball, it "sticks" and both players have become the definition of ball stoppers.

Not the kind of player, or even worse, players, you want on your team.

The ineffectiveness and borderline selfishness of both players alone are scary and hinders the Raptors from winning games, but what about the goal of developing Jonas Valanciunas? The talented Lithuanian showed promise his rookie season and then garnered MVP honors in the Las Vegas Summer League and continued to impress while playing for his country in August.

The strong play from Valanciunas caught the attention of Dwane Casey and his head coach vowed to give him more touches this season.

However, eight games into the season, Valanciunas is averaging only 8.3 field-goal attempts and getting only 10.1 touches per game. It's not like he's stinking it up, as he's shooting 50% from the field, 73% from the free-throw line, and he's averaging 9.6 points.

For a point of comparison, Gay is averaging a team-best 19.3 points but is requiring 20 field-goal attempts to do that. DeRozan is averaging 17.8 points but requiring nearly as many field-goal attempts (17.6).

Besides losing games, Toronto runs the risk of stunting the development of a player the front office has admitted as the only untouchable on the roster and a building block for the future.

Hopefully the team is able to teach Gay and DeRozan how to share, or at least to be a little more shy when it comes to shooting the ball. If not, it will stunt the development of Valanciunas and prevent the Raptors from winning games this season.

Ryan McNeill lives in Toronto and has been covering the Toronto Raptors with media passes since the 2007-08 season.
 

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Well, that was a lot of wasted bandwidth. Can't pick a winner right now. Was hoping to go on a little run, but going to reevaluate now. I know it's a long season and I'm not discouraged yet, but I am tired of losing already!

Time to clear out some head space. Cheers guys, keep on winning.
 

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Long Season

Long Season

Well, that was a lot of wasted bandwidth. Can't pick a winner right now. Was hoping to go on a little run, but going to reevaluate now. I know it's a long season and I'm not discouraged yet, but I am tired of losing already!

Time to clear out some head space. Cheers guys, keep on winning.

Memphis really looks discombobulated-this may continue for awhile. They really look out of sync! I know they are supposed to be good but the eyeball test says otherwise!
 

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Well, that was a lot of wasted bandwidth. Can't pick a winner right now. Was hoping to go on a little run, but going to reevaluate now. I know it's a long season and I'm not discouraged yet, but I am tired of losing already!

Time to clear out some head space. Cheers guys, keep on winning.

Hang in there, Hippo! :0074
 

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Memphis really looks discombobulated-this may continue for awhile. They really look out of sync! I know they are supposed to be good but the eyeball test says otherwise!

I completely, 100% agree with your statement. I haven't watched any of their games in entirety, but what I have watched suggests some major issues with the team this year.
 

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Hang in there, Hippo! :0074

Just need to rethink my approach. I worked on a lot of stuff over the summer, but I think I need a more "holistic" approach. There is so much information available now, I think I need to integrate more from what's available.
 

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Just need to rethink my approach. I worked on a lot of stuff over the summer, but I think I need a more "holistic" approach. There is so much information available now, I think I need to integrate more from what's available.

Just push through it. You will get it going HH. Only a matter of time.

GL
 
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