What a shocker

[ELVIS]

it is not the fault of the repubs that the cost of healthcare is so high.i guess they can be blamed for the price of gas,milk and every thing else. when does anything truly go down - except for intrest rates to stimulate borrowing and spending ? healthcare possibly going up because people are living longer and their is more cost associated here ? the gov is everybody's pocket regardless of the party. i am not happy with either group, but your healthcare is going up the longer you live. we tried gov healthcare in tn and it was a flop. tenncare is bankrupt and it was a joke. gov programs are scammed left and right and poorly managed as well. how many people abuse unemployment benefits ? it never changes.:cursin:

 

[ctownguy]

Elvis, right again buddy. Once again you seemed to hit the nail on the head with the healthcare dilemma. It's great to read another's views and find they parallel my own so closely.

But tell me how can you be a Raider's fan LOL :shocked: :grins:

 

[auspice]

StevieD

I'm sure you're PO'd at GWB for the price increases in prescription drugs, but I'm not sure it gets any lower than what Bush has done in respects to the fight against AIDS. The recent world conferences have highlighted the problems with the USA's approach. First, is that at Bush's insistence, 'abstinence' be the primary pillar of the fight against the spread of Aids. Nice play to the Christian Right, but hardly practical.

By far, the worst is that he touted his addition of $10 billion in new money to fight aids. What he didn't mention was that there was a rule that any drugs purchased with that money had to be FDA approved. In other words, where int'l law allows a country to produce cheap generic versions of AIDS fighting drugs, Bush made sure that the American drug companies(Bush contributors) will get the lion's share of that $10 bil. What appeared to be a move for the benefit of the world, turned out to be a $10 bil gift to the Drug Industry(and cronies) (on top of the Medicare gifts).

And our Chief of US AIDS policies, Randall Tobias; who would've guessed that he is the former Chairman and CEO of Eli Lilly, one of the largest US drug cos. a long time Bush supporter and contributor.

Don't ya just love this ...lol......and the right wingers don't understand why centrists (like you Eddie and Kosar) get disgusted. Unreal. You centrists and your suffering....

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

DJV
"None of what you have above DTB will lower anything"
Really please elaborate?

I have been in this business 20+ years been to over 100 actuarial
classes and you tell me you know more about what is involved in health care cost. Where are you getting your info? I might change my mind with supporting evidence. Kinda like Kerrys 4 months on a patrol boat and knowing more of what going on in the bush then the people thatwere there.

One thing for you to ponder--When you get explanation of benefits from your Iins co did you ever happen to notice something like this --actual charge $1,200 --nogotiated approved amount $700. Who do you think negotiated the this discount????

 

[djv]

DTB what I meant. I never had any insurance company come to me and say. Here we raised you to much. Here a reduction. Once price is raised it stays there.
Hospital stay down to average of 3 days from 8 days 15 years ago.. Hospitals have tons of on-used space. Lets use it up before we build new. Thats a start.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

Thats fine-- but for your info BC BS of KY sent refunds,many $1000 plus to all policy holders here in Ky 2 years ago--admitly the exception rather than the rule.

There are several checks that keep health ins companys in line for most part--competition from other carriers--and department of insurance in each state.

I do not know of any possible way to curtail yearly increase in premiums and don't think any politician does either.

Ins co has to make profit to stay in business--Same for Dr's and facilty's-increasing litigation cost--increasing cost of drugs--escalation of preventable diseases.

They all take their toll at our expense.

 

[djv]

Ah that litigation cost could fade. Let the fittest survive. You got hospitals that have certain doc's with bad track records. And they do watch this now more then ever. Don't give them insurance. Yes some hospital record are terrible. Let them close down. It's the free enterprise way. They had a report just a week or two back on a couple of doc's in Texas. Both are mistake prone. Hey they still have insurance. Why? Because the hospital lets them stay and covers them. This is when the hospital it's self looks like there dumb as hell. You know a guy makes a mistake even two. You can forgive. But once past that mark hey throw them out on there ass. Then what happen and this is sad. They go to priavte practice. And some how get insurance. There was a whole hour on this on prime time or one of those type shows. It was so funny when they were talking about this $250000 cap. Most filers in that type of case after expenses would end up with very little. They might as well stay home and let the Doc's and Hospital get away with there mistake.