What are "good" stats?

[Agent 0659]

For Hold em?

:shrug:

- During current Hold'em session you were dealt 104 hands and saw flop:
- 5 out of 12 times while in big blind (41%)
- 3 out of 10 times while in small blind (30%)
- 12 out of 82 times in other positions (14%)
- a total of 20 out of 104 (19%)
Pots won at showdown - 5 of 10 (50%)
Pots won without showdown - 11


I know these aren't! However I'm in a big tourney and above avg after 1.5 hours.

But I started wondering...since stats aren't something I pay much attention to....I don't use any of the programs or anything....what stats are considered "acceptable", etc.? Is this outlined somewhere?

Tx!

 

[The Big Tease]

Whats wrong with those??

I usually have a better win percentage in showdowns.....but I also see quite a few less flops....so I guess it goes hand in hand.

What were you thinking they should look like?

 

[Agent 0659]

Well the showdown % I was thinking should be more like 80% or higher.

And flop % at least 25%? You play LESS hands hands than this? :com:

 

[tpaine07]

Well the showdown % I was thinking should be more like 80% or higher.

And flop % at least 25%? You play LESS hands hands than this? :com:

In cash games I play around 15% of hands... someone who plays 28% or so on up @ lower limits is considered a fish by most standards. At higher limits you can play more hands if you are a better player. At low limits you will get called by anything and everything. You're in a tourny though so its different, depending on your table, playing 20% could be ok, I usually play wayyyyyyy less till I can build a stack im aggro. what tourny are you in, and whats your name on stars again?

 

[Agent 0659]

Goatboy33


Was in the $10,000 guaranteed but lost with AA vs KK (shocker!!) in 300th.

I was playing nut poker:com:

I usually play a lot of hands....when I have a stack (which I did early)

 

[The Big Tease]

Yea I definately play less than 20% of my hands online. I think live, you can possibly get away with playing lots of hands at the right table with the purpose of trying to outplay people after the flop.

But you get so many passive donkeys online that it is impossible to outplay a lot of the players......you really have to have the cards or you have no chance.....just my opinion. I get in my most trouble online when I try to be creative with my cards......

 

[BleedDodgerBlue]

I don't know tournaments so can't comment on that.

my stats for my last week ....9,662 hands if you are curious....

my vpip (voluntarily put money in pot) 13.44 percent

vpip from small blind is 25.82 percent

fold sb to steal 90.91 percent

winning 2.05 bb/100 which is a tad low but it beats losing.

went to showdown 28.78 percent

won $ at showdown 60.69 percent

those are for limit though. don't play n.l. so don't really know what they should look like.

i don't defend my small blind much obviously, but i play full tables and not shorthanded. i defend much more short.

i think 15-20 percent is fine vpip full handed but that's just me.


gl

 

[NySportsfan]

I play 1-2 No Limit a fair amount, and off the top of my head I think I usually see between 18-20% of the flops...showdown wise it depends, sometimes I call down too much etc and it can be low but thats misleading anyway if its small pots, 70-80% Id think is good? hey bdb, if you dont mind me asking, what limits do you play? do you find the competition beatable at middle limits ( I assume low limits is 3-6 and below, maybe 5-10, I guess everything else is middle or above) because I could never play no limit ring games at more than 1-2 its too much for me, but limit is a math and discipline game but there are too many clowns and suckouts at 3-6 and below, probably need 10-20 or something I just wonder how the competition is

 

[Agent 0659]

BDB, any good literature on such stuff?:shrug:

 

[tpaine07]

I play 1-2 No Limit a fair amount, and off the top of my head I think I usually see between 18-20% of the flops...showdown wise it depends, sometimes I call down too much etc and it can be low but thats misleading anyway if its small pots, 70-80% Id think is good? hey bdb, if you dont mind me asking, what limits do you play? do you find the competition beatable at middle limits ( I assume low limits is 3-6 and below, maybe 5-10, I guess everything else is middle or above) because I could never play no limit ring games at more than 1-2 its too much for me, but limit is a math and discipline game but there are too many clowns and suckouts at 3-6 and below, probably need 10-20 or something I just wonder how the competition is

How is the 1-2 competition and where do you play? I moved up too .50/$1 not too long ago (7-9 tables at a time). Killed that for about 20 buyins over 2 weeks or so, but then got cold decked and didn't play well and lost about half that back. I feel like its fairly beatable if I bring my A game (pathetic that I can't always). I was thinking of moving to 1-2 soon, just curious how it compares.

Personally I found .5/$1 alot easier to beat than .25/.50 for some reason. Oh well.

P.S. BDB I got the poker ace hud setup going for about 3 weeks now, its amazing i'd NEVER play with it. thanks for the great tip.

 

[NySportsfan]

How is the 1-2 competition and where do you play? I moved up too .50/$1 not too long ago (7-9 tables at a time). Killed that for about 20 buyins over 2 weeks or so, but then got cold decked and didn't play well and lost about half that back. I feel like its fairly beatable if I bring my A game (pathetic that I can't always). I was thinking of moving to 1-2 soon, just curious how it compares.

Personally I found .5/$1 alot easier to beat than .25/.50 for some reason. Oh well.

P.S. BDB I got the poker ace hud setup going for about 3 weeks now, its amazing i'd NEVER play with it. thanks for the great tip.

yeah, i've heard .50-1 is pretty beatable, I just got accustomed to 1-2.......Here's basically my summary of what you asked.......I play at Stars, never more than 1 table at a time because I want to keep my full attention on it, might decrease my win rate but I need the focus to keep up w/whats going on, if that makes sense....
I wonder how .50-1 is easier than .25-50, strange, I also struggle like you with my "A" game and sometimes make bad calls.....About the competition, it's kinda funny.....I always buy in for $150, and have been very streaky (have turned 150 into 7-800 in one sitting, also have lost real quick, usually somewhere in between) my personal strategy is to try and find a table with low stacks so I dont have to hve pressure on me all the time, hard to find though, you see a LOT of the same names on there and many of them are pretty good, and now they added "fast" tables which i accidentally went to once and it's just too quick for me to make decisons, I play fairly tight and try and slow-roll on occasion but generally pretty conservative......definitely enjoy talking poker, I have some holes in my game for sure as Im fairly new player but I feel my preflop play is pretty flawless, I just have trouble on what to do on flop/turn/river and such and making key folds, hard to do....limit-wise i want to start playing more but I think I might be outclassed at 5-10 or above, 3-6 are they all ppl casing cards too? how is poker ace hud, is that like pokertracker or what you discussed in a previous poker thread a few weeks ago when I posed a poker question?

 

[BleedDodgerBlue]

tpaine - glad you like pahud. it's great. i couldn't imagine playing without it.

ny sp - i play 10/20, 15/30 or 30/60 online dependent upon game selection. always 3 or 4 tables. usually 1 10.20 2 15/30 and 1 30/60. these are limit, i never play no limit.

as for agent, you fcking cheap ass. buy pokertracker. its like 50 bucks or something. you won't regret it. and then get pahud.

i'm 100% positive i couldn't beat low limit games online. before neteller when party and stars were just getting started, they had a deposit limit of $600 bucks a week or something, and I was pulling out my hairs trying to beat 3/6 or something and never could. its like a slot machine. but then neteller allowed normal deposits and things worked out. i must have lost easily 5k over the course of 6 months trying to beat 3/6 and 5/10 and at least 3 mouses and 1 monitor got bitch slapped to the point of destruction.


gl

 

[MadJack]

For Hold em?

:shrug:

- During current Hold'em session you were dealt 104 hands and saw flop:
- 5 out of 12 times while in big blind (41%)
- 3 out of 10 times while in small blind (30%)
- 12 out of 82 times in other positions (14%)
- a total of 20 out of 104 (19%)
Pots won at showdown - 5 of 10 (50%)
Pots won without showdown - 11


I know these aren't! However I'm in a big tourney and above avg after 1.5 hours.

But I started wondering...since stats aren't something I pay much attention to....I don't use any of the programs or anything....what stats are considered "acceptable", etc.? Is this outlined somewhere?

Tx!

i'll start posting mine. mine are very similar to yours. almost always less than 15% not counting the blinds. maybe we play too tight :shrug:

 

[Agent 0659]

i maybe we play too tight :shrug:

Hell if you read the thread apparently we play too loose?:shrug:

If BDB can't beat low limis, NO FAWKIN way I can!

I'm immediately moving up..:SIB

 

[MadJack]

Hell if you read the thread apparently we play too loose?:shrug:

If BDB can't beat low limis, NO FAWKIN way I can!

I'm immediately moving up..:SIB

i didnt have time to read the whole thread, especially bdb's post

:142smilie



:mfpost

 

[MadJack]

one thing i *think* i'm learning is that you HAVE to multi-table cash games. it doesn't make sense to sit there playing one table no matter the limit. play 3+ and get selective/agressive.

this can be beaten (online poker) and i'm going to start gettting serious about it and forget about doing it for *fun*/*recreation* like i have done up to this point.

read 2+2 and these kids, kids, are making a fortune.

talk to you soon about this, bdb.

 

[tpaine07]

one thing i *think* i'm learning is that you HAVE to multi-table cash games. it doesn't make sense to sit there playing one table no matter the limit. play 3+ and get selective/agressive.

this can be beaten (online poker) and i'm going to start gettting serious about it and forget about doing it for *fun*/*recreation* like i have done up to this point.

read 2+2 and these kids, kids, are making a fortune.

talk to you soon about this, bdb.

checkout pocketfives.com it's insane the amount of kids my age (college) that are pulling 30-50k a month playing MTTs... not to say they arent spending alot to buyin, but still 15k-25k a month is insane.

 

[IntenseOperator]

one thing i *think* i'm learning is that you HAVE to multi-table cash games. it doesn't make sense to sit there playing one table no matter the limit. play 3+ and get selective/agressive.

this can be beaten (online poker) and i'm going to start gettting serious about it and forget about doing it for *fun*/*recreation* like i have done up to this point.

read 2+2 and these kids, kids, are making a fortune.

talk to you soon about this, bdb.

Jaek, just asking

Didn't you recently post (within the last year) you were done with online poker? Too time consuming or something.