When will this shit end?

[gardenweasel]

ashamed it wasn`t one of your sisters or wives that made an innocent mistake like that...

you guys are so worried about civil liberties....when its apropos..

military families can`t even bury their loved ones in peace without some morons getting in their proverbial faces slurring the honorable dead...

but,"FREE SPEECH!"

it all depends on who`s ox gets gored....clowns and low-lifes with limited i.q.`s like sharpton and jackson hold way to much sway over this society....

to it`s detriment....i think we all agree on that...

it's like a full grown adult giving a 5 year old bully his lunch money because the 5 year old kicked him in the ankle.....

you have to be very careful who you appoint to enforce your own brand of morality and p.c...

i hope none of you ever make an honest mistake...
of course ,i`m sure that`ll never happen...

doesn`t matter that this was a mistake..this woman is smeared as a racist by morons like the counselor.....and some of you...

i feel very badly for her and her family..

 

[smurphy]

freedom of speech...context...nuance....

do you think that this woman simply misspoke?...or do you in your heart believe that she deliberately slurred her friend,tiger woods?.....

It doesn't matter if it was on purpose or not, it was dumb enough to warrant discipline from her employer and they have every right to do so. Try taking race out of the equation and you *should* see that the comment was out of line anyway.

are there words that should be banned from the dictionary?

No.

and who is the arbiter of such behavior?...sharpton?....jackson?....the mullahs?

No. The network (the employer) and it's sponsors are.

You bleeding hearts just don't get it. Why can't a person be disciplined for not doing their job well?

it was an accident...you can kill someone accidentally in this country and get off with a lesser sanction...

Relevance. :shrug:

 

[gardenweasel]

But, dont think for a second that PC think and speech control is just the purveiw of the lefties you enjoy mocking.....as I see it there is plenty of that coming from the right over the years as well, but if you've signed your loyalty oath, then you probably cant critize that.

i`ve signed my oath,have,i?...eddie jr...

 

[smurphy]

ashamed it wasn`t one of your sisters or wives that made an innocent mistake like that...

you guys are so worried about civil liberties....when its apropos..

military families can`t even bury their loved ones in peace without some morons getting in their proverbial faces slurring the honorable dead...

but,"FREE SPEECH!"

it all depends on who`s ox gets gored....clowns and low-lifes with limited i.q.`s like sharpton and jackson hold way to much sway over this society....

to it`s detriment....i think we all agree on that...

it's like a full grown adult giving a 5 year old bully his lunch money because the 5 year old kicked him in the ankle.....

you have to be very careful who you appoint to enforce your own brand of morality and p.c...

i hope none of you ever make an honest mistake...
of course ,i`m sure that`ll never happen...

doesn`t matter that this was a mistake..this woman is smeared as a racist by morons like the counselor.....and some of you...

i feel very badly for her and her family..

:142smilie You act like she's been sent to the Gulag or something. She f*ked up at work. Nothing more, nothing less. Sharpton's an idiot, you and Eddie are acting like idiots. What the hell is wrong with all you people?

ashamed it wasn`t one of your sisters or wives that made an innocent mistake like that...

i feel very badly for her and her family..

:mj07: :mj07: :mj07:

ashamed it wasn`t one of your sisters or wives that made an innocent mistake like that...

i feel very badly for her and her family..

:142smilie :142smilie :142smilie

ashamed it wasn`t one of your sisters or wives that made an innocent mistake like that...

i feel very badly for her and her family..

:00hour :00hour :00hour

 

[smurphy]

OK Weasel. I'm on board. Let's get the Kelly Tilghman Relief Fund going. We need to raise 2 weeks' worth of her wages as well as enough money for a month-long advertising campaign to clear her and her family's good name.

May the Good Lord bless Kelly Tilghman during this tragedy. Our thoughts and prayers (and of course donations) are with her and her family.

....Oh yeah, and we are going to have to do this for every single person who receives disciplinary action for not performing well at work.

 

[Toledo Prophet]

i`ve signed my oath,have,i?...eddie jr...

I was speaking of the collective you, not the individual you.

I had been agreeing with you, but also just wanted to make the point that we're bombarded by this PC crap from both sides of the political spectrum.

Dont lump me in as an eddie jr.....i may be a relatively new poster around here in this particular forum, but have I really done enough to discredit myself like that? Man, between Hillary's goons, Eddie himself and now you, I had better carry around a couple different 7-irons for protection. :SIB

GW, love ya man, enjoy your posts even when disagree, so sorry if you thought i was talking directly about you......not sure either of us would even be able to post on this site if we had signed the aforementioned loyalty oath!! :142smilie

 

[smurphy]

Toledo, you seem to be a very logical voice. Prepare to be endlessly frustrated in this forum.

 

[gardenweasel]

It doesn't matter if it was on purpose or not, it was dumb enough to warrant discipline from her employer and they have every right to do so. Try taking race out of the equation and you *should* see that the comment was out of line anyway.



No.



No. The network (the employer) and it's sponsors are.

You bleeding hearts just don't get it. Why can't a person be disciplined for not doing their job well?



Relevance. :shrug:

it`s not about doing a job well..it`s about p.c...and who makes the rules....

it wasn`t necessarily the golf channel that sanctioned this anchor...it was the threat of reprisal from sharpton et al...a preemptive strike...

that`s pretty obvious...

i wonder if some of those that cry about this woman`s mistake in speech,are just as offended by ron paul`s association with david duke and stormfront?.....

 

[smurphy]

Weasel, I had no idea you were an executive with the Golf Channel. Congratulations! Must be a pretty sweet gig.

 

[bjfinste]

ashamed it wasn`t one of your sisters or wives that made an innocent mistake like that..

If my sister made that same mistake on a nationally televised broadcast, I'd say, "You sure f*cked up there, even though I know it was an innocent mistake. Take your two weeks off and let it die."

 

[gardenweasel]

If my sister made that same mistake on a nationally televised broadcast, I'd say, "You sure f*cked up there, even though I know it was an innocent mistake. Take your two weeks off and let it die."

but,it won`t die for this woman..that`s what you fail to realize....her good name is tarnished...permanently.....

if she had said,"lynch that uppity n-gger", or something similar....if this were an ongoing issue....i`d agree.....

this shouldn`t have gotten nat`l media attention....and she didn`t deserve a suspension...

i don`t know what else to say....i`ve stated me` case...and encouraging and instigating me any further will get you the stick.....

you have been warned...that is all.....

:mj07:

 

[djv]

Wow this seems to be going way over the top. She said it she feals bad. Of course she wishes it didn't happen. Once they put Tiger in the alley. She didn't by the way did she? Did'nt Faldo mention something to?? I mean just think if words like shoot or hostage would have slipped out. Holly Chit I can here it now. Lets face it kids they were hanging folks here long before the slaves got here.
In old west I wonder how many bad nasty cowboys were hung from the tree in back yard. And the redman. Maybe more then anyone else.
Does any of this make what she said right. NO
But do we need to have heart attacks over it. NO.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

For starters, I wouldn't have even heard about this story if not for DTB posting it. So I guess it's not exactly much of a story.

Take race completely out of the question and she still screwed up on the job. I'm not even looking at this along racial lines.

It's amazing that folks like yourself are upset that a person is disciplined for screwing up at work. I just don't get it. I guess neocon wasn't the right word, you and DTB are actually much more like bleeding heart liberals in this case. In fact, I can't trust y'all anymore. I thought you had work ethic.:shrug:

My point exactly Smurph--and 99% of people never would had not Sharpton and crew rode in.
Biggest no no in this sport in years was Daly's DUI several years ago--no yearly drug bust-homicides-rapes ect you find in other sports. Would appear Sharpton and crew could use their resources better cleaning up other areas than a slip of the tounge-
I think I have solution to prob for all commentators in the future. Get somes tatoos-body piercings--where hats back words and rap any commentary's--Hell Imus would prob have his own record label.

 

[Chadman]

To me, this is the same issue as the Imus situation, although Imus' was considerably worse. It is a situation between the employer and the employee as has been mentioned here. I don't know for sure that the Golf Channel suspended her before or after Sharpton's comments - it's not clear from the story as far as I can tell, so not sure that is a valid point about Sharpton's pressure directly. But more to my point, I don't consider that to be anyone's business other than the network and the employee, and how they choose to handle it.

I thought the Golf Channel comments were directly on point and perfectly presented. And appropriate. I think also that since it is golf - which is a different animal than other major sports - and because of Zoeller's comments before, this kind of thing has to have some repercussions.

I still think the way it was handled by everyone OTHER THAN SHARPTON was appropriate. She screwed up on National television and made a horrible slip-up. A suspension is probably appropriate, IMO.

Has nothing to do with Civil Liberties, or Freedom of Speech, I don't think. It's an employer/employee relationship, and this comment from the employer sums it up very well:

"There is simply no place on our network for offensive language like this," Golf Channel said in a statement.

and:

"While we believe that Kelly's choice of words was inadvertent and that she did not intend them in an offensive manner, the words were hurtful and grossly inappropriate," Golf Channel said in its statement.

By not acting, they certainly could have faced a lot of problems from advertisers and viewers, apart from any of Sharpton's crew. They thought it best to act, and it makes sense.

 

[smurphy]

--where hats back words

:mj03:

Not really understanding the comparisons with criminals within other sports. You and Weasel are kinda all over the place bringing up rape and death. Nobody is suggesting that this reporter is a criminal or anything. ...Well, maybe Eddie but he's not a good watermark.

We agree that Sharpton is annoying and *shouldn't* bear any influence over these decisions. I guess where we disagree is that I feel she screwed up regardless of any racial implications and her bosses are justified in imposing some kind of penalty.

Let's say it was tennis instead and some random reporter on the Tennis Network implied that Roger Federer should be stabbed in an alley to allow the other players a chance at some wins. Odds are the network would receive complaints from viewers and sponsors and suspend or fire that reporter. ...even if that reporter and Federer were friends and Roger really didn't care about the comment.

You guys are supposed to just be about work/reward/competence, but more often than not it seems like you whine like out of work liberals.

 

[shamrock]

I think I'll steer clear of the topic at hand. However, is there really a GOLF CHANNEL?? watching Golf 24/7,,what's next FLYFUK TELEVISION:shrug:

 

[dawgball]

For some strange reason, I have thought about this topic a lot while driving. Maybe because every sports radio program was talking about it. It must have been DTB's post that sparked the wisespread coverage.

I wanted to come back on here and do something that is done very seldomly around here.

I think I have changed my mind on this. :scared

For Eddie: The word lynching to most people under 30 has no (or at least not directly related to) racial undertones. The word is just used in context of many people beating up one person. I don't expect you to take my word on that, but that doesn't really matter to either us... no does it.

My stance has changed in this manner:

1. I still think the public outcry and media coverage is ridiculously ignorant.
2. I have very little patience for the over-sensitivities by the general public. Sensitivities = Good. Over-sensitivities = Not so good.

Here's where I have changed:
3. Golf Channel's reaction was appropriate. They, as a corporation, must manage PR. As a broadcaster, you must be aware of the first two items and as a professional avoid phrases that could cause this.

I think it was an innocent comment done with ZERO ill will. But I also don't see a problem with a company disciplining their employees for conduct that is possibly "detrimental to the team."

I hope this does not have long-term effects for her media career.

 

[THE KOD]

dawgball - glad you came to your senses.
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The San Francisco Giants' flagship radio station fired controversial talk-show host Larry Krueger and two station officials Tuesday night, six days after Krueger made racially tinged criticisms of the club and manager Felipe Alou.

Tony Salvadore, KNBR's vice president and general manager, announced the firings of Krueger, program manager Bob Agnew and KNBR Morning Show producer Tony Rhein in a brief statement.

Salvadore said the firings were related to "inappropriate comedy sound bytes" played Tuesday morning during a discussion of Alou's recent interview with ESPN in which he roundly criticized KNBR and Krueger, who was suspended last Friday.

Sara Jones, a spokesperson for the station, declined to discuss the content of the comedy sound bytes.

Last week, Krueger ranted about the Giants' struggles during his postgame radio show. San Francisco has too many "brain-dead Caribbean hitters hacking at slop nightly," according to Krueger, and Alou's "mind has turned to Cream of Wheat."

Krueger apologized and was suspended for a week without pay, but Salvadore maintained the host wouldn't be fired.

Giants executives and players condemned Krueger, with shortstop Omar Vizquel comparing the statements to former Atlanta reliever John Rocker's infamous comments in a 1999 interview with Sports Illustrated.

Saying Krueger had offended "hundreds of millions of people," Alou resigned from his regular radio show with the station and warned his players to be on the lookout for racial prejudice in San Francisco. Chicago White Sox manager Ozzie Guillen and Boston slugger David Ortiz also condemned the comments in recent days.

But most of the hosts and callers to KNBR in recent days supported Krueger, saying some of his remarks were made in the heat of excitement, while others were taken out of context by Alou.

Krueger seemed supportive of Alou during many of the comments in his rant, saying the manager was "a brilliant tactician" whose job was nearly impossible because of the Giants' personnel decisions.

Gary Radnich, a San Francisco television sportscaster who has hosted a weekday show on KNBR since 1992, appeared visibly upset by the firings when he appeared on his evening newscast.

"Felipe Alou got rolling, got a head of steam up, and in this politically correct world, you don't get a second chance any more," Radnich said. He also characterized Agnew as a "sacrificial lamb."

KNBR owns approximately 1.5 percent of the Giants, who lost 7-1 to the Braves in Atlanta on Tuesday night.

"KNBR deeply regrets the comments and actions of these individuals, which do not reflect our beliefs or values as an organization," Salvadore said in the statement. "We would like to express our deepest apologies to Felipe Alou, his players and the Giants organization for this offense to the Caribbean community."
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This kind of shit has been on for a long time. If you google . sportscaster fired for racial remarks.

you get about 100 such firings.

In this one I do not really see what he said was all that bad. :shrug:

 

[gardenweasel]

I thought the Golf Channel comments were directly on point and perfectly presented. And appropriate. I think also that since it is golf - which is a different animal than other major sports - and because of Zoeller's comments before, this kind of thing has to have some repercussions.

I still think the way it was handled by everyone OTHER THAN SHARPTON was appropriate. She screwed up on National television and made a horrible slip-up. A suspension is probably appropriate, IMO.

Has nothing to do with Civil Liberties, or Freedom of Speech, I don't think. It's an employer/employee relationship, and this comment from the employer sums it up very well:

"There is simply no place on our network for offensive language like this," Golf Channel said in a statement.

and:

"While we believe that Kelly's choice of words was inadvertent and that she did not intend them in an offensive manner, the words were hurtful and grossly inappropriate," Golf Channel said in its statement.

By not acting, they certainly could have faced a lot of problems from advertisers and viewers, apart from any of Sharpton's crew. They thought it best to act, and it makes sense.

what a week.....


if theres no place on their network for "this language",fire her....obviously,there is a place for her...because it wasn`t a malicious statement...

they`re cowards,too...

you say it was handled by everyone "other than sharpton" appropriately......then,you say that by "not acting" they`d have gotten flack from viewers and advertizers........


I SAY,they could have circumvented the issue with advertizers and the public via a very honest public apology......

would anyone here boycott the golf channel after a public apology from this lady?....no,you say?

then,why was the sanction necessary?....

it`s all about sharpton and his thugs...you can`t escape that fact...imus wasn`t getting pulled off the air without sharpton...


IT`S BECAUSE OF SHARPTON...obviously...

the problem is,you libs need to untuck `em when you think a thug like sharpton and the race hustlers do the wrong or disproportionate thing...

otherwise,this crap is unending...

lord,"shucking and jiving" is now a victim of p.c....

i hope a dyslexic cop pulls you guys over and gives you all "i.u.d.`s"....

:nono: :grins:

 

[Nosigar]

t's like a full grown adult giving a 5 year old bully his lunch money because the 5 year old kicked him in the ankle......

Well, that scenario is my definition of a liberal; the 5 year old being the liberal and the adult the regular moderate Joe, that is :SIB

Of course, Eddie would be a 12 year old with a loaded shotgun. :scared