Where our country is in 2004...

dawgball

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Before reading this post please take into consideration that I am no journalist or master of the English language, so take the unproffessional nature of my thoughts with a grain of salt. These thoughts are also not bourne from this board alone but from the overall state of our country.

I don't understand why everyone is so up in arms on absolutely every subject that is brought to discussion these days. It seems that any subject from welfare, to the war in Iraq, to gas prices seems to ignite a fire in people's thoughts and words to follow. I have my views, and I usually stand by them. My views can also be altered by a well-reasoned discussion. I think, for the most part, I have steered clear of being labeled as one of the neo-Nazis in here, but I think everyone knows that I am a Republican and fairly conservative in nature.

On that point, I think being a Republican or Democrat is hogwash. If I was a Democrat, then I would be considered very conservative. Since I am Republican, I am considered somewhat liberal. But that's for another day. To ME, what being a Republican means is that I believe that humans are self-sufficient beings, and everyone should be given the opportunity to be so. I believe that is what the America that our forefathers created stod for. If I choose to not become educated, and I am stuck working a job making just enough to eat, then that is what I choose. If I choose to better myself through the means that are available, then I should be able to reap those rewards. One of my main goals in life is to personally be a part of raising $10M for charities over the course of my life and leave behind a some form of scholarship fund for those behind me. What the Republican party means to me is that this country has opportunities given. I can either choose to take on the challenges or not, but I have to take whatever consequences come along with my decision. I do not need my government to tell me who and when to give my money. Every penny that the government takes out of my pocket is wasted money. I could turn every dollar that they take into a hundred where the government is wasting it on overblown government spending. When I do turn that money into more, I should have the choice to distribute the sum in the fashion that I want. If I choose to be greedy and keep it, then it is my prerogative. I am the one who earned it. I, personally, look forward to sharing my future wealth, but once again that should be my choice.

This entire thought process is reliant upon the fact that people are given equal opportunities to survive. I don't think it is the burden of our entire country to bear when two people on welfare decide to have 12 children. Those 12 children are most likely going to be on welfare for the remainder of their lives because they are not shown that they can provide for their own well-being. I believe that the path we are on is just a downward spiral that we can never recover from.

To be a Democrat, to ME, is to say that people need protection and the government is the body who should provide that. Regardless of the effort put in by individuals, they should have the right to share the wealth that this country has built. To ME, Democrats want to say "we know best how to spend your money, give us as much as we want, and WE will distribute how we see fit". This sounds good on paper, but my personal thoughts are that we build segregation that way, and the majority of the people receiving the handouts will be receiving those handouts until the day they leave this life. The reason I feel this way is that our government does not demand anything from these idividuals when they receive anything. Stick your hand out, and we will fill it up. Come back next week, and we will do it again. Why can't we require that the people receiving handouts perform some function for the good of our country to continue to receive them?

The way our country draws the line in the sand is exactly what our current political parties want. We let the issues and our views on them stand in the way of us actually accomplishing anything by working together. The only people making out like bandits on this thing are the politicians. They are not held accountable on any issue. They are not monitored in their spending (this refers to Congress more so than the big office). And our country suffers because of it.

For the most part, all of us want the same things. We want ourselves and our families to be safe from harm; we want to have life's necessities such as food, clothing, and shelter; we want to look back on our lives and see that we made a difference (no matter how small or large).

I believe:
- in a higher power and I choose to exercise this through the Christian faith
- in an individual's ability to provide for their own well-being
- in the right to life from conception to natural death
- that the majority of people want the same things
- we are just a part of the world economy. Until we come together and find our place in it, then we are going to continue to lose ground. Losing a few thousand industry jobs may hurt in the short-term, but it is meaningless in the big picture. We, as a country, have suffered through much worse things. We have to bear down and make ourselves better.
- that I am done.

Flame on.
 

kosar

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Good post, Dawg.

A lot of people see things your way, but I think that the lines regarding wealth re-distribution are a lot blurrier than simply Republican/Democrat these days. I guess it depends how you choose to look at it and from what perspective.

Also, I agree with your points about the government staying out of our lives as much as possible, but once again, if we take a quick look at this Republican administration , I think we would see that this isn't a black/white issue where Democrats are the meddlers and Republicans respect and cherish personal rights and freedoms.
 

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kosar,

that was kind of my point that i didn't make very clearly. imo, a true Republican/Democrat wants certain things. the guys/gals that we have running on each ticket may or may not (usually may not) represent those true values.
 

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dawgball

"- in the right to life from conception to natural death"
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Do you gamble on sports dawgball? If so, do you do all your sports gaming in Vegas where it's legal? No, huh? Neither does anybody else here in the forum or practically anywhere else in the USA. A behavior cannot be controlled by laws. There would be no drop off in sports gaming in the USA if sports gaming were to suddenly be outlawed in Nevada. It wouldn't impact the total volume of gaming. It would simply be absorbed by the offshore and local markets.

Prohibition didn't stop the consumption of alcohol. It even rose during prohibition. Marijuana exists in every city in the USA and yet it's illegal. Again, behaviors cannot be controlled by laws. Abortion is a behavior that will not cease simply by changing the legality. It will only change the venue from legal to illegal. Any prohibition would only spin a huge black market. The morality/immorality inherit in it will remain the same regardless, just as it does at present.
What few lives in may spare in new births may be lost by women's lives lost in improper medical care in illegal procedures.

I also share your view in the 'right to life from conception to natural death' but don't believe at this point that our legal system will impact behavior. I guess my point is that our views on the morality of our beliefs re abortion shouldn't be connected to politics. We can't legislate our own particular view of morality on the masses. Everyone's view of morality can only be practiced, not legislated.
 
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In a perfect world your post would make a ton of sense but unforunately the radical groups have taken over our country and polarized people to one side or the other. I think it's quite unfortunate that anyone wants to impose (force) their beliefs on any citizen of this country and I truly believe that some of the Far right wing religious groups are trying to do this. I also believe this holds true for the wacko groups on the left that want things that are just not possible. It's sad that in this general election coming up we are going to be forced to choose between two canidates that I personally feel are inept and not qualified to hold the office, I know for sure Bush is not qualified and I cannot trust his words with his actions and with Kerry who the hell knows what he stands for? I have tried to see where the guy is coming from and I dont feel he would be any great improvement over Bush. Someday soon I hope there is a change in the way we elect our President's and that we allow more folks with different ideas to have a chance and eliminate the aspect of cash from the sytem. I don't see why we cannot cap the $$ amount that a person can spend on getting elected so that we can hear other points of view instead of the same old rhetoric coming out now.
 

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thanks for the responses.

MC--your entire point is what motivated me to write what I did. The radicals from both sides have taken over the country, and it is time that we tried to do something about it. The rational, thinking people of this country do not have much of a say-so anymore because we don't flip out, scream as loud as we can, and sue someone when things don't go our way.

auspice--if you notice above all of those statements, there is a phrase that goes "I believe". There was not mention of creating laws and such. You jumped to a conclusion.

I believe in God, but I don't think it should be a law that people go to church. I do think that it is going against what this country was founded on to be removing any statements of religion where they have been built in the past. Everyone screams about how much better it was "back in their day...", but noone wants to address moral issues because it is too sticky, and they have a fear of offending someone else. I don't agree with this standpoint. If something needs to be done for the better of our country and its citizens, then people that are offended (are they really?) may need to adjust. The person that needs to adjust some of the times could be me, and I am okay with that. If the US gets to a point where I really don't agree with things, then I should move my family to somewhere that does things in a manner that I do agree.

Just another opinion.
 

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I believe we are in a lot of places around this world. And we would be better off if we were not. The resources we use to try and control these areas could all be used at home. Then maybe we could get to that better world everyone wants. However do not hold your breath. Mankind been working on and looking for a perfect world along time. It's just not in the cards. Everyone should have there own goals and believes. No one should try to force there's on anyone else. No one has the perfect set of rules.
In a country as rich as ours. No one should be in need.
 
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