Dan Patrick made it sound like there where two very big names that where said. Who do you think they are?
Who do you think Grimsley named?
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hopefully he has some real stuff to say not heresay..
i am sure from 1990+2002 there were 100's of guys juicing.. not just Barroid
funny if choriboy curt schilling got named. :scared
i am sure from 1990+2002 there were 100's of guys juicing.. not just Barroid
funny if choriboy curt schilling got named. :scared
from fletcher.......
Link to story is below here is what I know about things saw, and done and know as fact.
Hell anyone who has ever played pro baseball knows that almost 90% of the players use speed a few times at least each year to make it through the game hell I used it many times, it has been used since back in the 50"s maybe before some type same as in other sports like hoops and nhl also used in nfl but not as much as in baseball and hoops , football uses way more injections of demerol and lidocain or xylocaine some get morphine, this shit is not new people think juice is the number 1 drug well speed and pain killers have been around in every and I say every sports pro team locker rooms or club house for years. Juice started in fb back in mid to early 80's baseball mid 80's swimming and track for along time, hell track uses more then any sport and all teams have valium in the club house or locker room so players can come down after the games . This also goes on in college sports also at all divisions people have no clue unless they have been there. This is nothing new and baseball is far from the worst all sports have what you need when you need it has always been like that. One think in the minors is every player since 1994 has been tested 1 time a month for juice and pot which is also big in nba.
People need to wake up this has always gone on and always will, juice is the thing the feds think is big but the speed pain killers and then valium, xanax for sleep and bringing you down are used as much as the speed and pain pills. I laugh at people who blame baseball and think juice is the main drug of choice far from it till 15 years ago or so and grew but speed, pain killers and downers are in every and all pro club houses and locker rooms and college also, way more then juice and I will go head to head with anyone on this issue of the drugs I said, trust me they are like candy in the room when it is locked down for players only and has been for over 30 + years. doc elles pitched a no hitter on lsd for pittsburgh back in the 70's bill lee use to use coke many times before he took the hill this stuff was not uncommon back then and still today just different choice of drug but no sport college or pro is clean and old timers your guys like the babe, bob feller bute for years and other did their fair share of stuff with coke mixed in with it and was legal and many players in nfl, baseball and hoops have played on coke also. Fed's are about 30 years behind the times. and trust me it will never change, now like I said in the minors your tested every single player 1 time a month has been like that since 1994 like I said they stop at triple a, anyone and I know we have more then a few college and guys who been in the minors or coached in college, played in college and also play or played arena 2 that post at madjacks that can tell you if they want, I have spoke with them many times. I will not say who they are but they can sign up with a hot mail account and back up what I am telling you.
Most of your juice back in early to mid 80's and into the 90's came from right outside of atlanta they were bought and sold in large amounts by wrestling wcw from outside of atlanta, this is where many college people got their hook ups for all of these not just juice, once you got in the circle and trusted you just had to make your order from atlanta and you had it not more then 7 days later, 2 of the biggest sellers were ric flair and the youngest anderson brother who got popped back in the 90's on fed charges.
also you had people go to Mexico and get it not hard at all , you go to dr which is write beside the pharmacy and tell him what you need he writes it and go into next room to get it filled and still like that today, you can go there today say from san diego and cross border and with in 1 hour you have what you ask for another major drug that is given is called lasix which when taken you have to also take potassium not over the counter type both injection or pill form that has to be written by a dr. and it can kill you the potassium and lasix if you don't know what your doing, the potassium can give you a heart attack if you take to much, here is another that lot of people don't know is used insulin. Just a little bit of back ground I know much about and have for over 20 + years. I know more about some of these drugs and how to mix when using juice then a doctor knows, I own a book that you can't even buy any more called the bible of amphetamines, steroids , pain killers and benzodiazepines . 2 other wide spread pills used no-one talks about are soma and flexeril used big time, one other med used back in the 70's and 80's for pain and anyone who has horses or a vet will know it , it is called bute. you have to clean skin very well before you use it or your skin will burn and you can see the smoke, a good way to know when someone was using it was your breath gave off a bad garlic odor only after a few times of using it, you could do anything on it and not fell shit, it was strong not used much any more in pro sports because it also was very dangerous if you did not know how to use it right. and for the drugs you get from mexico you have to know where to go so you get real pharmaceutical medications .
Just thought I would share info I saw and knew also used first hand as like I said more people then you think that post here can tell you the same, we even have had not seen him around for about 8 months a head umpire director for evaluations post here ,he was a ex pro ump he did games I played in college in fl before spring training games would start all the wyndlestat umps who were a to the bigs did your college games in fl for tune up , now many of your umps well all and officials are conf. full time lot use to be pro in their sport but get paid just as much in sec, big 12 acc. but he has some stories he could tell like I said won't give any of these peoples name screen they might not want to admit what they did and saw, me I have no problem sharing. also you have a liver tox and heart enzymes blood test every 2 months and full blood panel work up every 4 months or 3 times a year to make sure no damage is showing up at the time.
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/5671984
Link to story is below here is what I know about things saw, and done and know as fact.
Hell anyone who has ever played pro baseball knows that almost 90% of the players use speed a few times at least each year to make it through the game hell I used it many times, it has been used since back in the 50"s maybe before some type same as in other sports like hoops and nhl also used in nfl but not as much as in baseball and hoops , football uses way more injections of demerol and lidocain or xylocaine some get morphine, this shit is not new people think juice is the number 1 drug well speed and pain killers have been around in every and I say every sports pro team locker rooms or club house for years. Juice started in fb back in mid to early 80's baseball mid 80's swimming and track for along time, hell track uses more then any sport and all teams have valium in the club house or locker room so players can come down after the games . This also goes on in college sports also at all divisions people have no clue unless they have been there. This is nothing new and baseball is far from the worst all sports have what you need when you need it has always been like that. One think in the minors is every player since 1994 has been tested 1 time a month for juice and pot which is also big in nba.
People need to wake up this has always gone on and always will, juice is the thing the feds think is big but the speed pain killers and then valium, xanax for sleep and bringing you down are used as much as the speed and pain pills. I laugh at people who blame baseball and think juice is the main drug of choice far from it till 15 years ago or so and grew but speed, pain killers and downers are in every and all pro club houses and locker rooms and college also, way more then juice and I will go head to head with anyone on this issue of the drugs I said, trust me they are like candy in the room when it is locked down for players only and has been for over 30 + years. doc elles pitched a no hitter on lsd for pittsburgh back in the 70's bill lee use to use coke many times before he took the hill this stuff was not uncommon back then and still today just different choice of drug but no sport college or pro is clean and old timers your guys like the babe, bob feller bute for years and other did their fair share of stuff with coke mixed in with it and was legal and many players in nfl, baseball and hoops have played on coke also. Fed's are about 30 years behind the times. and trust me it will never change, now like I said in the minors your tested every single player 1 time a month has been like that since 1994 like I said they stop at triple a, anyone and I know we have more then a few college and guys who been in the minors or coached in college, played in college and also play or played arena 2 that post at madjacks that can tell you if they want, I have spoke with them many times. I will not say who they are but they can sign up with a hot mail account and back up what I am telling you.
Most of your juice back in early to mid 80's and into the 90's came from right outside of atlanta they were bought and sold in large amounts by wrestling wcw from outside of atlanta, this is where many college people got their hook ups for all of these not just juice, once you got in the circle and trusted you just had to make your order from atlanta and you had it not more then 7 days later, 2 of the biggest sellers were ric flair and the youngest anderson brother who got popped back in the 90's on fed charges.
also you had people go to Mexico and get it not hard at all , you go to dr which is write beside the pharmacy and tell him what you need he writes it and go into next room to get it filled and still like that today, you can go there today say from san diego and cross border and with in 1 hour you have what you ask for another major drug that is given is called lasix which when taken you have to also take potassium not over the counter type both injection or pill form that has to be written by a dr. and it can kill you the potassium and lasix if you don't know what your doing, the potassium can give you a heart attack if you take to much, here is another that lot of people don't know is used insulin. Just a little bit of back ground I know much about and have for over 20 + years. I know more about some of these drugs and how to mix when using juice then a doctor knows, I own a book that you can't even buy any more called the bible of amphetamines, steroids , pain killers and benzodiazepines . 2 other wide spread pills used no-one talks about are soma and flexeril used big time, one other med used back in the 70's and 80's for pain and anyone who has horses or a vet will know it , it is called bute. you have to clean skin very well before you use it or your skin will burn and you can see the smoke, a good way to know when someone was using it was your breath gave off a bad garlic odor only after a few times of using it, you could do anything on it and not fell shit, it was strong not used much any more in pro sports because it also was very dangerous if you did not know how to use it right. and for the drugs you get from mexico you have to know where to go so you get real pharmaceutical medications .
Just thought I would share info I saw and knew also used first hand as like I said more people then you think that post here can tell you the same, we even have had not seen him around for about 8 months a head umpire director for evaluations post here ,he was a ex pro ump he did games I played in college in fl before spring training games would start all the wyndlestat umps who were a to the bigs did your college games in fl for tune up , now many of your umps well all and officials are conf. full time lot use to be pro in their sport but get paid just as much in sec, big 12 acc. but he has some stories he could tell like I said won't give any of these peoples name screen they might not want to admit what they did and saw, me I have no problem sharing. also you have a liver tox and heart enzymes blood test every 2 months and full blood panel work up every 4 months or 3 times a year to make sure no damage is showing up at the time.
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/5671984
A player or two from one of these teams maybe...
Grimsley began his big league career with Philadelphia in 1989 and has pitched for Cleveland, California, the New York Yankees, Kansas City, Baltimore and Arizona.
lots of possibilities
Grimsley began his big league career with Philadelphia in 1989 and has pitched for Cleveland, California, the New York Yankees, Kansas City, Baltimore and Arizona.
lots of possibilities
i thought that some might find this interesting...
i thought that some might find this interesting...
A lawyer for Jason Grimsley said that federal investigators pressured the disgraced Diamondback to wear a wire in an effort to catch Barry Bonds and other major leaguers admitting steroid use on tape, according to a published report. Attorney Edward F. Novak said Grimsley "was outed by the feds" because he refused to cooperate. -- New York Daily News
i thought that some might find this interesting...
A lawyer for Jason Grimsley said that federal investigators pressured the disgraced Diamondback to wear a wire in an effort to catch Barry Bonds and other major leaguers admitting steroid use on tape, according to a published report. Attorney Edward F. Novak said Grimsley "was outed by the feds" because he refused to cooperate. -- New York Daily News
i am sure you guys have heard this before but i thought i would share this with you guys. i played big time division 1 baseball in the big west conference. barry zito, both giambi brothers are just a few who played the same time i did and were all in my conference. steroids were big back then and will continue to be big in the future. i now live in south florida and just finished taking a cycle of stanzanol(winstrol). i walked into a doctors office who specialized in hormone therapy and he just wrote me a script for it. i then walked into a local pharmacy and they filled my order. i walked out with a 10ml bottle of stanzanol with my name on it. it was that easy. i now that in the 90's when i played we would walk across the el paso,tx border and get all types of juice in the mexican city of juarez. we would then walk back across the border for 35cents. in 4 years of doing this we got caught once. we were stripped searched and fined $10,000 . there were 5 of us who got caught and we had to pay this fine and that was it. nothing on our record or nothing. i also had dinner last week with a friend who is close to the yankees upper brass and was told randy johnson was struggling this past year more than ever not just because he is old but he is now OFF the juice and it is having a major effect on him. i dont know how true this is but if you think about it it makes total sense. everyone who has been rumored in this scandal has struggled. giambi was a prime example, it took him about a year to get back to normal. look at pudge, he looks like a high school player. he is so small now. i really dont think it really matters anymore. everyone knows athletes have been taking steroids for so many years what does it matter now. the past is the past, move on
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i know this may sound far fetched but this is all true and i can vouch for it, they only statement above that i can not truley verify is the randy johnson statement, other than that everything i said is true. it sucks grimsley got caught, i just hope he doesnt ruin the careers of anyone else. i have a feeling he is going to hurt alot of people.
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i know this may sound far fetched but this is all true and i can vouch for it, they only statement above that i can not truley verify is the randy johnson statement, other than that everything i said is true. it sucks grimsley got caught, i just hope he doesnt ruin the careers of anyone else. i have a feeling he is going to hurt alot of people.
I think he'll pull Sosa and Palmeiro. This way he'll just confirm what people think and he won't have to name a new name.
Hope I'm right,
Baseball needs Heroes not Zeros
Hope I'm right,
Baseball needs Heroes not Zeros
guys, I played division III football in the middle 80s, played in 2 National championship games in 85 & 86, Amos Alonso stagg bowl. We had at least 12-15 guys doing steroids then. If they were being done at lowly division Iii, you better believe division I & professionals were using steroids. Like Fletcher said, its been going on a long time.
I never played the game at a high level or was around the juice etc...
But here is a list of people I suspect.
Todd Helton. Totally falling off the face of the earth overnight, I know Crohn's disease is pretty evil, but he is hitting .270 and the ball dies off his bat now.
Gary Sheffield: you know when he and Bonds were training together, he got some of the BALCO.
Roger Clemens? Don't kill me if I'm wrong, but I don't know how you pitch at that high a level at his age, I know he works hard etc, but look at him from say 10 years ago, same before and after like Barry Bonds and his swollen head.
JC Romero guy is just a shell of his former self in Anaheim.
Pudge Rodriguez
Rodrigo Lopez
Matt Clement
Kyle Farnsworth
Master Splinter aka Randy Johnson
I may be way off, and it is not all appearance related, I would love to hear what everyone else thinks, I wish I had more time to put thought into this, probably a lot of relievers, utility men on the juice.
I thought John Kruk made a great point on ESPN radio the other day, saying the juicers are probably more of the guys trying to hold on, vice the big stars
But here is a list of people I suspect.
Todd Helton. Totally falling off the face of the earth overnight, I know Crohn's disease is pretty evil, but he is hitting .270 and the ball dies off his bat now.
Gary Sheffield: you know when he and Bonds were training together, he got some of the BALCO.
Roger Clemens? Don't kill me if I'm wrong, but I don't know how you pitch at that high a level at his age, I know he works hard etc, but look at him from say 10 years ago, same before and after like Barry Bonds and his swollen head.
JC Romero guy is just a shell of his former self in Anaheim.
Pudge Rodriguez
Rodrigo Lopez
Matt Clement
Kyle Farnsworth
Master Splinter aka Randy Johnson
I may be way off, and it is not all appearance related, I would love to hear what everyone else thinks, I wish I had more time to put thought into this, probably a lot of relievers, utility men on the juice.
I thought John Kruk made a great point on ESPN radio the other day, saying the juicers are probably more of the guys trying to hold on, vice the big stars
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Yeah, really missed the boat on Huff. I think UT-Longhorn knew a guy that said Clemens was on the juice, maybe I misread that.
I also have to say Luis Gonzalez. Guy goes from hitting 15 HR a year in Detroit to 57 in Arizona, and now his left arm is falling off...
:142smilie
Sean Green? Guy goes from hitting 40 plus HR a year to being a line-drive hitter? :SIB
Steve Finley???
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Yeah, really missed the boat on Huff. I think UT-Longhorn knew a guy that said Clemens was on the juice, maybe I misread that.
I also have to say Luis Gonzalez. Guy goes from hitting 15 HR a year in Detroit to 57 in Arizona, and now his left arm is falling off...
:142smilie
Sean Green? Guy goes from hitting 40 plus HR a year to being a line-drive hitter? :SIB
Steve Finley???
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Only thing I played at a high level was beer drinking in college. But my realtor played for the Jets in the late 60's with Namath, and he said they were injecting just about everybody with steroids back then, of course they really had no idea about the side effects. And whether or not he's still on it I don't know, but one of starting closers in MLB, did ALOT of Steriods and Pot in college.
Look at how many Pittsburgh Steelers from the 70's are dead
Webster, Furness, Kolb, Tooz and Alzado from the Raiders..
Anyone who wants to be the best not just a player will do in.. any edge possible
I knew of Romonowski from High School in CT (Fine BC man too)
This guy would mainline paint thinner if it gave them an edge..
Its just what they do...
Webster, Furness, Kolb, Tooz and Alzado from the Raiders..
Anyone who wants to be the best not just a player will do in.. any edge possible
I knew of Romonowski from High School in CT (Fine BC man too)
This guy would mainline paint thinner if it gave them an edge..
Its just what they do...
Ever see Clemens in his UT days???
Now it it looks as if he ate Calvin Cheraldi...
HHmmmm.....
The only sauce John Kruk has been on is Steak sauce
Now it it looks as if he ate Calvin Cheraldi...
HHmmmm.....
The only sauce John Kruk has been on is Steak sauce
