Who would have thought-

[Trench]

Can't say I go along with religion of 7 virgins --beheadings--suicide bombing--stoning of women ETC ETC--that is taking place world wide.
Granted those are a radical aspect of religion--but still a practicing form of Islam relgion.

I'm also for personal freedoms--

So then, you're for personal freedoms as long as you can cherry pick them, and like your hero, Dubya, you get to be the "decider".

Why don't you just answer my question...

If building a mosque and community center (which by the way will contain a memorial to the victims of 9/11) 3 blocks from ground zero is unacceptable to you and your base, what distance from ground zero would be acceptable?

:0corn

 

[Mags]

So then, you're for personal freedoms as long as you can cherry pick them, and like your hero, Dubya, you get to be the "decider".

Why don't you just answer my question...

If building a mosque and community center (which by the way will contain a memorial to the victims of 9/11) 3 blocks from ground zero is unacceptable to you and your base, what distance from ground zero would be acceptable?

:0corn

Well, how many miles is it between NYC and Baghdad? That seems like about the right distance..... :00hour

 

[Trampled Underfoot]

Well, how many miles is it between NYC and Baghdad? That seems like about the right distance..... :00hour

Another neo-con exposed for his true hatred of the American way. Why do you hate freedom?

 

[Mags]

Another neo-con exposed for his true hatred of the American way. Why do you hate freedom?

Lighten up, Francis. It was funny - and you know it! I was dying laughing when I typed that......

As far as "true hatred of the American way" - I guess I feel sometimes common sense should prevail. It doesn't seem appropriate to build a Mosque that close to ground zero. Can you imagine if the KKK built a headquarters right next to MLK's burial site? Or if the Germans build a WWII memorial in the city of Jerusalem?

It's not a matter of "freedom" - it is a matter of common sense and not sticking a dagger in the heart of those families that lost loved ones in 9/11.

 

[Trench]

Lighten up, Francis. It was funny - and you know it! I was dying laughing when I typed that......

As far as "true hatred of the American way" - I guess I feel sometimes common sense should prevail. It doesn't seem appropriate to build a Mosque that close to ground zero. Can you imagine if the KKK built a headquarters right next to MLK's burial site? Or if the Germans build a WWII memorial in the city of Jerusalem?

It's not a matter of "freedom" - it is a matter of common sense and not sticking a dagger in the heart of those families that lost loved ones in 9/11.

I laughed at it too Mags. But Baghdad doesn't quite work, does it? For future reference, I'd substitute Mecca. Just trying to help... :0008

Anyway, I'll ask again... Since you believe 3 blocks is too close to ground zero, what is an acceptable distance?

 

[Mags]

I laughed at it too Mags. But Baghdad doesn't quite work, does it? For future reference, I'd substitute Mecca. Just trying to help... :0008

Anyway, I'll ask again... Since you believe 3 blocks is too close to ground zero, what is an acceptable distance?

Trench:

It's not so much the distance, but rather the intent. It appears that a group of folks are insisting on this site, rather than viewing alternative sites. I think that is what people are upset about.

Maybe it is the ONLY suitable site for the building they've proposed in Manhattan - but somehow I kinda doubt this is the case.

 

[Trench]

Trench:

It's not so much the distance, but rather the intent. It appears that a group of folks are insisting on this site, rather than viewing alternative sites. I think that is what people are upset about.

Maybe it is the ONLY suitable site for the building they've proposed in Manhattan - but somehow I kinda doubt this is the case.

We'll just have to disagree on this Mags because I see tolerance as the ultimate sign of strength in a democracy. There are many places in the world where that kind of tolerance does not exist, and without exception, those are not places I'd want to live. There are precious few other places in the world where a mosque could stand in the shadow of a memorial to an attack that occurred as the result of a perversion of the religion that mosque serves.

 

[Skulnik]

Those who opposed the proposed center cited its proximity to Ground Zero, where members of Al-Qaeda, an Islamic terrorist group, killed 2,750 people on September 11, 2001.[14][15][16][10][17][18] Some opponents also criticized its original name, Cordoba, considering it a reference to Islamic conquest because the Christian Spanish city of C?rdoba was conquered by the Islamic Moors and became the capital of the Muslim caliphate;[19][20] however, the sponsors said the name was meant to invoke 8th?11th century C?rdoba, where they said Muslims, Christians, and Jews co-existed in relative peace.[21]

 

[Mags]

We'll just have to disagree on this Mags because I see tolerance as the ultimate sign of strength in a democracy. There are many places in the world where that kind of tolerance does not exist, and without exception, those are not places I'd want to live. There are precious few other places in the world where a mosque could stand in the shadow of a memorial to an attack that occurred as the result of a perversion of the religion that mosque serves.

I do understand your point of view. But would you feel the same way about:

1. A KKK museum near MLK's grave?
2. A Japanese war museum near Pearl Harbor?

I do understand rights are important - but sometimes common sense needs to be used along with the rights.

I do find it interesting that the Muslim group interested in building the Mosque (at least the leader who I just saw on TV) is insisting on this site near Ground Zero. Why? Why does it HAVE to be that site. I do think that there is something else going on here - another chance to stick it to America. Just how I see it.

 

[The Sponge]

If i was those families i would be more upset if Bush and Cheney wanted to build on that land. Boy this Tillman story sure is showing what shitbags these two were along with their pal Rummy.

 

[Trampled Underfoot]

Hmmmm dogs is still dodging the question. What a shock.

 

[Terryray]

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[StevieD]

Hmmmm dogs is still dodging the question. What a shock.

No, probably busy looking for a chart from some right wing toilet tank. You know the ones he likes to show that claimed we would be out of Iraq in six weeks maybe six months tops! Oh yeah, lets listen to those guys!

 

[Trench]

I do understand your point of view. But would you feel the same way about:

1. A KKK museum near MLK's grave?
2. A Japanese war museum near Pearl Harbor?

I do understand rights are important - but sometimes common sense needs to be used along with the rights.

Mags... I don't like analogies because they're almost never analogous. Your analogies don't work because Islam didn't attack us on 9/11. Al Qaeda did. Groups like Al Qaeda have perverted the religion of Islam and they hide behind it to advance their agenda. I fail to understand why it's so difficult for so many Americans to separate the actions of a small group of terrorists hiding behind a religion from the 1.2 billion non-violent people practicing that religion.

 

[bleedingpurple]

I think this topic is more of having to agree to disagree on both sides.. Yes they should have the right to but at the same time it is probably is in poor taste? But what the hell do I know.. Trying to cap more games

 

[rusty]

Leave it alone.The last thing we need is someone taking it out.And that's what will happen.

 

[The Sponge]

Not my words but i think this guy is on to something

They should build a mosqurchogue instead at ground zero (that is a place of worship which is 1/3 Muslim, 1/3 Christian, 1/3 Jewish) and all religions should gather there and pray to the same non-existent God and promote peace and harmony in the world.

 

[The Sponge]

why it's so difficult for so many Americans to separate the actions of a small group of terrorists hiding behind a religion from the 1.2 billion non-violent people practicing that religion.

Again like i said yesterday.
The neo-cons take a small bad element of one group and paint the whole Billion with the same brush and then nascar nation falls for it hook line and sinker. It is rather kind of sad to be this gullible.

 

[Terryray]

Not much more predictably nauseous than liberals sanctimoniously driven to prove their tolerance by bashing conservatives and coddling fanatical believers.

as the Prophet commands (29:46) "Be considerate when you debate with the People of the Book" :mj07:

precious few "moderate" versions of this faith ever work against, or even speak out against, the outrages of "the actions a small group of terrorists hiding behind a religion". Probably because that "1.2 billion non-violent people" contain many hundreds of thousands soft jihadists. The "small bad element" isn't afraid at all of offending their "1.2 billion non-violent" brethren, just showing that "small group" might not be as small as you spineless apologists suppose.

You self-righteous liberals don't recognize this and are therefore head-in-sand (or up other smelly dark hole) just as much as them.

But please don't call those gentlemen who misused commercial airliners on 9/11 "terrorists". One of your "moderate" versions, the imam behind the building of this very mosque, cautioned that "terrorists" is too strong a label here....Cf. Matthew 13:43

 

[Trampled Underfoot]

You self-righteous liberals don't recognize this and are therefore head-in-sand (or up other smelly dark hole) just as much as them.

Another lovely comment.