Why Won't God Heal Amputees?

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"Why Won't God Heal Amputees? "

Simple...he probably caused the loss of limbs....kinda like pulling the wings off of a housefly....


Anyone ever think that we on this planet are simply a long discarded science project for a precocious 325 year old winner of the 9887 (Cosmic Calender) Intergalactic Science Exhibition, (Who happened to be a nitrogen based amoebic life form) held yearly on Beta Gamma 4??


God and Hell were cooked up so people would not be killing their neighbor for his wife and goods...life without consequences would be total anarchy.


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it`s called "faith" for a reason....it`s a belief in a code of ethics...a doctrine...

This is BS to the 3rd power. I want to answer each of you statements, but I think this is the part that needs to be addressed.

1. "It's called 'faith' for a reason" indeed. When you present irrational ideas to rational people, you'd better have an escape route. 'Faith' is a cop-out.

2. "It's a belief in a code of ethics".....give me a break. Have you read the Bible? It promotes slavery, and murder. Are slavery and murder "ethical" in your book, because they sure as hell aren't in mine.

3. Doctrines of the Bible? See answer number two. You can cherry-pick the good all you want, but there is no denying that the Bible houses some truly revolting "teachings".
 

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This is BS to the 3rd power. I want to answer each of you statements, but I think this is the part that needs to be addressed.

1. "It's called 'faith' for a reason" indeed. When you present irrational ideas to rational people, you'd better have an escape route. 'Faith' is a cop-out.

2. "It's a belief in a code of ethics".....give me a break. Have you read the Bible? It promotes slavery, and murder. Are slavery and murder "ethical" in your book, because they sure as hell aren't in mine.

3. Doctrines of the Bible? See answer number two. You can cherry-pick the good all you want, but there is no denying that the Bible houses some truly revolting "teachings".


you don`t like the ten commandments?........fine......

you want nirvana?.....read "lost horizon".....

nobody`s forcing you to share these beliefs...

unfortunately for you,this country was founded on judeo-christian ethic...doesn`t sit to well with you?......you can catch the next bus to tehran...or communist china....

otherwise,i guess you`ll have to get used to it....

i know religious freedom is a tough concept for a marxist....
 

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This is BS to the 3rd power. I want to answer each of you statements, but I think this is the part that needs to be addressed.

1. "It's called 'faith' for a reason" indeed. When you present irrational ideas to rational people, you'd better have an escape route. 'Faith' is a cop-out.

2. "It's a belief in a code of ethics".....give me a break. Have you read the Bible? It promotes slavery, and murder. Are slavery and murder "ethical" in your book, because they sure as hell aren't in mine.

3. Doctrines of the Bible? See answer number two. You can cherry-pick the good all you want, but there is no denying that the Bible houses some truly revolting "teachings".


This is all just my opinion and I am definitely not looking for a fight....

I do believe Faith is a big part in answering these questions. I am not ashamed that I have faith in God, and my faith in God does not make me irrational. I don't know if that is what you are trying to say Gmroz.

And about the doctrine of the Bibles, you would really have to pick and choose or "cherry-pick" verses out of the Bible and take them out of context to say that the Bible promotes slavery and murder. In fact anyone who has read the Bible would know that the overwhelming message is one of hope, love, and mercy, both shown by God and that we should show to others.

How he phrases these questions is ridiculous. He says that Christians believe God is at work healing cancer, healing diseases, and reversing the effects of poison(which I understand is something that the body can naturally combat and the effects of poison often are similar to diseases)

So why doesnt God heal amputees? Well last I checked amputee wasn't a disease, so you can't heal it. Once you lose it, its gone. It is the same as asking why doesn't God raise people from the dead(and Im talking really dead). God wants us to have faith in Him, if he performed these type of miracles that are blatant, one wouldn't need faith to believe in God.
This brings about why does God require us to have faith in Him if he is such a perfect God? Well, God wants us to have free will (volition), and by slapping us over the head with evidence of Him, He would be taking away our free will since there would be no doubt that He exists,( we would have no choice to believe in Him and Love him) He came and died for our sins so that through Him we could be "near" Him in heaven without sin.
Now this brings about another question, If God is perfect then "Why did He allow Sin in the first place?" This can be answered by saying that God made the world perfect it was man's free will that created the sin. We chose to disobey God, bringing sin into this world.
Why does God allow people to starve to death? In all cases you will find people starving is caused by man?s doing, not God?s. It is not that God is forcing these people to starve and die because He is cruel, it is that man is not perfect and this is the result of that. God does not actively intervene often( if ever) in our life?s.
So why would it matter that they are African children dying of starvation? What is different about them dying and some baby born with AIDS or some guy randomly hit by a bus? What he is asking is Why does a good God allow bad things to happen to good people? Which is a fair question. One answer is ?None of us are ?good? people the way God views good(without sin), so none of us are entitled to only good things happening to us?, Also, even if we were good people, where does God promise that we will not go through hardships in this life? And finally, it is not that God cannot stop a guy from getting hit by a bus, or a child dying of starvation, It is not that He doesn?t love us because He lets it happen to us. If He stopped every bad thing that we caused as a result of our imperfection, we would be without freewill. He would never let us Sin, and thus removing us from our freewill.

Those Versus He cites are actually from the Pharisees (Teachers of the Old Testament) and not from God. And how these are explained to me is that they (Pharisees) actually built up a huge set of rules (especially regarding the Sabbath) around the actually Old Testament Law, so that no one would actually get close enough to breaking a real commandment from God. If anyone does their homework they will see that Jesus corrects the Pharisees over and over and over in the NEW TESTAMENT about how they have fallen away from God and that they were teaching their own set of rules as equal to God?s Laws.

We could go on all day about the ?nonsense? the Bible talks about regarding science, so I will just say that there are many Christians that have done a lot more research than I have regarding this subject and that I too have questions, but it is not that I shun these questions because it might uproot my faith, I actively try to learn more about how the world works. Because it says in the Bible that the world was covered with a flood and now we know that the whole earth couldn?t be covered naturally does not make me throw my whole faith away. Also, to try to completely explain something supernatural in natural terms is ?nonsense? and impossible.

Why didn?t Jesus? miracles not leave behind any evidence? UMMMM I really don?t know what He is asking even though we have multiple accounts from non Christian historians that Jesus did exist and that He had many followers, also we have accounts from the Bible.
Jesus never appear to me, again goes back to freewill (not a ?weird rationalization?)
Why would Jesus want you to eat his Body and Drink His Blood? I am not even going to acknowledge a question that is taken so out of context and Honestly if this is a serious question you have about your faith, then you haven?t even opened your Bible.
Christian get divorced has nothing to do with God. It has everything to do with our Christian culture, and our lack of values and OUR imperfect nature. We could go on all day about hypocritical Christians or behaviors that make them hypocrites, but it has nothing to do with whether God exists or His perfect nature.
So I believed I answered all of them. Only a couple are actually original questions, the others are just spin offs of the few basic ones. I never felt ashamed or uncomfortable thinking about any of these questions. I think the guy who made this is a pompous ass, not because he challenges my faith ( I don?t mind at all, it wouldn?t be MY faith if it wasn?t challenged) but the condescending attitude he has, and his voice annoys the hell out of me. I also find it novel that he associates prayer as being equal to commands. We pray to God and He doesn?t appear, so something must be wrong. As in we command God to appear, or people command God to help them and if they aren?t helped, something is wrong with God. I view prayer as communication with God, not only asking Him and thanking Him, but also just talking to Him and telling Him my thoughts and concerns and hopes.
So in conclusion, I know this is a long winded post, with many personal insights on my own life and beliefs, but I felt that if it helps a couple people then it is worth it. Also, there is no way to answer many of these questions in a one liner end all. Saying ?have faith? without any context really does come across as nonsense to those that do not have that faith you are talking about. And I would be more than happy to talk with any of you about any of these answers.
 
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It's reached the point where I need an interpretor if I want to figure out even remotely what Weasel is saying. As long as you are entertained, more power too you, sir.

I tried something new. i took his post and took out all the annoying giant spaces between each sentence. Then i read it again. It didn't work.
 

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1. you don`t like the ten commandments?........fine......

2. nobody`s forcing you to share these beliefs...

3. unfortunately for you,this country was founded on judeo-christian ethic...doesn`t sit to well with you?......you can catch the next bus to tehran...or communist china....

4. otherwise,i guess you`ll have to get used to it....

1. Do you think the Ten Commandments are divinely perfect? I don't. I could come up with some better ones and so could you.

2. Thanks for the heads up. You've completely missed the boat and I have a feeling you won't be on the pier in time for the next one.

3. Very mature response to someone that challenges your belief system...."you don't like it, leave!" Question: Why do you think the founding fathers wanted a seperation of Church and State?

4. I am used to it. I've been used to it, but things are worse than ever before. Our country is falling behind the rest of the world because religious morons are denouncing science in favor of the "knowledge" provided in a book that was written by men that thought the world was flat and that the earth was the center of the universe.
 

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This is all just my opinion and I am definitely not looking for a fight....

I do believe Faith is a big part in answering these questions. I am not ashamed that I have faith in God, and my faith in God does not make me irrational. I don't know if that is what you are trying to say Gmroz.

And about the doctrine of the Bibles, you would really have to pick and choose or "cherry-pick" verses out of the Bible and take them out of context to say that the Bible promotes slavery and murder. In fact anyone who has read the Bible would know that the overwhelming message is one of hope, love, and mercy, both shown by God and that we should show to others.

You wrote a lot, and I will have to break it up in order to keep it straight.

Believing in God is one thing, but the actual religions are another. Your faith is founded upon irrational beliefs. If you don't think so, here's a couple: A. God inseminated a virgin woman and the virgin gave birth to the son of God, B. anyone that doesn't believe is going to burn in a lake of fire for all of eternity. Rational or irrational?

As for the cherry picking of the Bible, are you saying that the Bible doesn't promote slavery and murder? Spend some time with the book of Deuteronomy. Or, to reference the Ten Commandments, check out Exodus 31:15 to see what happens to people that work on the Sabbath. Read Leviticus 25:44 and Titus 2:9 for info on slavery and Exodus 21:20 for info regarding the abuse of slaves. Let me know what I'm taking out of context.
 

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You wrote a lot, and I will have to break it up in order to keep it straight.

Believing in God is one thing, but the actual religions are another. Your faith is founded upon irrational beliefs. If you don't think so, here's a couple: A. God inseminated a virgin woman and the virgin gave birth to the son of God, B. anyone that doesn't believe is going to burn in a lake of fire for all of eternity. Rational or irrational?

As for the cherry picking of the Bible, are you saying that the Bible doesn't promote slavery and murder? Spend some time with the book of Deuteronomy. Or, to reference the Ten Commandments, check out Exodus 31:15 to see what happens to people that work on the Sabbath. Read Leviticus 25:44 and Titus 2:9 for info on slavery and Exodus 21:20 for info regarding the abuse of slaves. Let me know what I'm taking out of context.

spend some time reading about what I said about those verses.

About the irrational beliefs, my faith is founded on my belief that Jesus, God's Son, came to earth to die for our Sins, so that when we are done with this life, if we believe in Him we will spend eternity with Him. You are never going to get a scientific explanation for something that is completely not of this world. So if that is your reason for not believing in the Bible fine. But you will never believe in ANYTHING supernatural. And if that is the case then I have a question for you Gmroz. How did humans get here on earth?
 

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Anyone ever read "The Blind Watchmaker". Very interesting read on the evolutionary side of these kinds of arguments.
 

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I tried something new. i took his post and took out all the annoying giant spaces between each sentence. Then i read it again. It didn't work.
That's a actually a great idea! At the very least, I think my hostility level would decrease if his posts were in a normal structure. I'm not surprised, however, that it did not clear up the actual meaning. Nice try though.:SIB

As for God. ...I like the fighting in this thread. Believers and non-believers need to have more dialogue. Buddy has done this forum a tremendous service by laying it out and starting some fires.
 
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Been meaning to ask. Who the f*ck is Wesley Willis?
 

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spend some time reading about what I said about those verses.

About the irrational beliefs, my faith is founded on my belief that Jesus, God's Son, came to earth to die for our Sins, so that when we are done with this life, if we believe in Him we will spend eternity with Him. You are never going to get a scientific explanation for something that is completely not of this world. So if that is your reason for not believing in the Bible fine. But you will never believe in ANYTHING supernatural. And if that is the case then I have a question for you Gmroz. How did humans get here on earth?

Before this goes any further, I just want to let it be known that I am not trying to disrespect anyone. This is a debate, nothing more.

Your explanation about the verses from the Old Testament would be fine, if the Bible was not a "divinely inspired" work or "the word of God".

I will never get a scientific explanation of Christianity, just like you will never get one for Islam, Judaism, Mormonism, etc. It's a joke if you think about it. People all over the world claim to be right about their own religion and supernatural beliefs. It's simply a matter of where you were born. It doesn't take much to take a step backwards and realize that something smells kinda funny. The reason you believe in the Jesus story is because it has been drilled into your skull since you were little.

Now, for the question of how people showed up on earth: I believe that humans developed from a lessor form of life. They evolved from apes, which evolved from something else, which evolved from something else, and so on. If you don't think there is scientific evidence to support this, you need to think again. It's fact. Does science offer all the answers to all of life's mysteries??? No, of course not. But it is answering more and more every day. As I have mentioned before, religion is inhibiting our ability to maximize our potential as human beings. We actually have people in our government that are voting against stem cell research but for the teaching of ID in public schools. It would be funny if it were any other country. It's sickening and it's scary.

What is your answer to the "How did humans get here on earth?"
 

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So why doesnt God heal amputees? Well last I checked amputee wasn't a disease, so you can't heal it. Once you lose it, its gone. It is the same as asking why doesn't God raise people from the dead(and Im talking really dead). God wants us to have faith in Him, if he performed these type of miracles that are blatant, one wouldn't need faith to believe in God.
This brings about why does God require us to have faith in Him if he is such a perfect God? Well, God wants us to have free will (volition), and by slapping us over the head with evidence of Him, He would be taking away our free will since there would be no doubt that He exists,( we would have no choice to believe in Him and Love him) He came and died for our sins so that through Him we could be "near" Him in heaven without sin.
Now this brings about another question, If God is perfect then "Why did He allow Sin in the first place?" This can be answered by saying that God made the world perfect it was man's free will that created the sin. We chose to disobey God, bringing sin into this world.
Why does God allow people to starve to death? In all cases you will find people starving is caused by man?s doing, not God?s. It is not that God is forcing these people to starve and die because He is cruel, it is that man is not perfect and this is the result of that. God does not actively intervene often( if ever) in our life?s.
So why would it matter that they are African children dying of starvation? What is different about them dying and some baby born with AIDS or some guy randomly hit by a bus? What he is asking is Why does a good God allow bad things to happen to good people? Which is a fair question. One answer is ?None of us are ?good? people the way God views good(without sin), so none of us are entitled to only good things happening to us?, Also, even if we were good people, where does God promise that we will not go through hardships in this life? And finally, it is not that God cannot stop a guy from getting hit by a bus, or a child dying of starvation, It is not that He doesn?t love us because He lets it happen to us. If He stopped every bad thing that we caused as a result of our imperfection, we would be without freewill. He would never let us Sin, and thus removing us from our freewill.

Your first part about the amputees and it not being a disease doesn't make sense. We're talking about the creator of the universe. The other part about not raising the dead seems kind of ironic....isn't that his claim to fame? In all seriousness, you have to admit that putting a limit or limits on what the creator of the universe is capable of is laughable.

The part about God not starving people to death, but people starving them to death is interesting. I am going to pair it up with your other comment of "God requires us to have faith in him". This is the part that just doesn't make sense to me, and how you rationalize it is beyond me. Let's say that there is a God and he isn't the type that meddles. Do you think he would be more interested in your "faith" in Him, or in how you choose to live your life (like maybe doing something to help all those starving people). My guess is the latter.
 

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Why did God have dinasours?

Why must people who live great lives, lets say for arguements sake Mahatma Gandhi, go to hell and suffer endless prosecution because he does not believe in the Christian God?


I really want someone to answer these questions...I really wandered these all the time when I was younger and going to church. If no one cares to answer the first question, which I think is a good question too, I really want the second one answered.

I know there may be no answer, but I want to see others views on it. Obviously my views pushed me away from Christianity, but I do want others views.
 

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Glferboy21: I'm not the one you're asking but I have a suggestion for you: Read The End of Faith by Sam Harris. It is simply the smartest take you'll ever hear on the subject of religion.
 

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it`s called "faith" for a reason....it`s a belief in a code of ethics...a doctrine...

if people want to believe in the wizard of oz,have at it...

it`s basically benign...unlike radical islam....

is it so horrible to be against abortion?..(i`m for some limited abortion rights)..to be pro-family values?....to be anti-euthanasia(i`m actually for for some method of humane euthanasia for the terminally ill)....

the gay thing i don`t agree with....but i don`t see them hanging or stoning anybody(unlike some other peaceful religions)....
look,they can believe what they want...it`s a free country...they can proselytize...they can push their agenda...they can believe in intelligent design......and if they can garner enough public support,well,that`s what`s called a democracy....

you sound like a marxist....."religion is the opiate of the masses".....

this is a free country...you need to get over it....seriously...
more gays are attacked b/c of their sexual prefrence in the usa than any other country..garden weasel.why do i have a feeling your a frail looking person thats afraid to be in the same room with an african american,or for that matter anybody looking diffrent than your moronic arse.
you are the tru meaning of the word faggggot.
 

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