Wonder who will be the Clippers next owner....

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if anyone tries to tell hank what do to their is gonna be problems. we need to stand next to this man in the name of free speech.

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Pretty sure the concept of "free speech" applies only to the government and law. I don't think the US or California state government is trying to put him in jail for exercising that right. He can legally say whatever the hell he wants.

The powers that be at the NBA,however, will take action for exactly the reason you just alluded to; this could potentially cost them all a bunch of money. They would be foolish to to wait around and see if his actions result in an incremental loss of millions of dollars.

In my viewpoint, 'free-speech' has never meant "say whatever the hell you want, whenever the hell you want" and suffer absolutely no consequences. And life is one never-ending example of that point. You can get fired, dumped, shunned by family, ignored by madjackers, and disrespected by the community at large, for exercising your free speech willy-nilly. And most times, rightfully so.

So long as the government doesn't have the power to imprison or disenfranchise you because of your speech, I am OK with this! :0008

Good post, thanks....
 

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He has every right to say stupid things.

He does not have the right to

Discriminate against employees.

http://deadspin.com/5152187/baylor-clippers-were-like-a-vision-of-a-southern-plantation

Refuse housing to Hispanics or Blacks.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kurtbad...ce-again-why-he-is-the-worst-owner-in-sports/

I am not questioning his right to free speech. I have issues with this guy owning a NBA team and people trying to defend his actions.

I hope you didn't think that I was defending what he said....
 
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Red Bull, CarMax, Kia, Virgin America, Corona, AQUAhydrate, Sprint, LoanMart, Amtrak, Lumber Liquidators, Mercedes-Benz, Yokohama Tire Corporation, Commerce Hotel & Casino and State Farm are some of the companies who have suspended their sponsorship with the Clippers.
 
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Not at all.

There are some idiots on here that are/will but I know you are not one of them.
Yah, I didn't either. It's an interesting situation because it shines a light on a grey area in human society. A conversation about how & when a society collectively decides to shun/outcast people.

Beats talking about the weather. :shrug:
 

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Thanks guys....Glad that you didn't think that....

I think in a few months when this issue has died down, Sterling will sell his team....
 

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Good for them

Good for them

Banned for life, $2.5M fine.

I think the league handled this pretty well. They could have fined him more in my opinion, but I think the outcome was great. Hopefully, we'll see no more of this moving forward.

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Jeff Van Gundy is echoing exactly what I was thinking....will players be suspended for life if/when they make a racist comment, or use the "N" word - whether on the court, in a club, at their home in private and it gets caught on tape? I would think that Silver has pretty much set the standard. Can you imagine - you are the backup point guard and then setup the starting PG to get him kicked out of the league?

Once one of the stars, like a Lebron, calls his buds the "N" word (which should be used by noone) - will they have the guts to suspend him for life? I hope so - racism is not appropriate by owners OR players.

Another thought - in a court of law, the secret recording would not be admissible, since it was obtained via an illegal act by the mistress (illegal in CA to record a conversation without permission by both parties - punishable up to a year in prison). Sterling is in deep doo-doo, but I would bet Miss V is going to be subject to both significant criminal charges AND a very large civil lawsuit. It is not going to be a fun time for either one of them.

Miss V. thought she would get a big payday by setting Sterling up and badgering him to keep talking and getting himself in deeper. It won't work out very well for either of them.

Getting both Sterling and Miss V. out of the spotlight is a good thing.
 

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Jeff Van Gundy is echoing exactly what I was thinking....will players be suspended for life if/when they make a racist comment, or use the "N" word - whether on the court, in a club, at their home in private and it gets caught on tape? I would think that Silver has pretty much set the standard. Can you imagine - you are the backup point guard and then setup the starting PG to get him kicked out of the league?

Once one of the stars, like a Lebron, calls his buds the "N" word (which should be used by noone) - will they have the guts to suspend him for life? I hope so - racism is not appropriate by owners OR players.

Another thought - in a court of law, the secret recording would not be admissible, since it was obtained via an illegal act by the mistress (illegal in CA to record a conversation without permission by both parties - punishable up to a year in prison). Sterling is in deep doo-doo, but I would bet Miss V is going to be subject to both significant criminal charges AND a very large civil lawsuit. It is not going to be a fun time for either one of them.

Miss V. thought she would get a big payday by setting Sterling up and badgering him to keep talking and getting himself in deeper. It won't work out very well for either of them.

Getting both Sterling and Miss V. out of the spotlight is a good thing.

I think when the player has a lifetime history of discrimination and being a racist asshole they would have to worry about being suspended for life.

Again a wise man said its not words that are bad its the context.

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Banned for life, $2.5M fine.

I think the league handled this pretty well. They could have fined him more in my opinion, but I think the outcome was great. Hopefully, we'll see no more of this moving forward.

kneifl

Agree, however the fine was the most allowable under NBA rules.
 

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I think when the player has a lifetime history of discrimination and being a racist asshole they would have to worry about being suspended for life.

Again a wise man said its not words that are bad its the context that makes them good or bad.

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Agreed in many ways. I just think it sets a bad precedent to illegally record someone, who had expectation of privacy, in his own home. Next, the government will be doing the same.

If you think about it, the other bad person here is also Miss V. While Sterling's comments were hurtful, they were not expected to be public, he did not say them in public to deliberately hurt people - he said them in confidence to his lover. That doesn't mean his views were defensible, but he didn't do a Clive thing and give a racist press conference that WAS meant to hurt people. Miss V. decided to hurt people by illegally taping him, egging him on and selling it to TMZ. (although I'm sure her motives were trying to help herself).

I would bet every MJ'er has said SOMETHING at home, in private, at some point in time that could hurt them in their life with their friends, their employer, etc - whether it be racial or something else. I doubt many MJ'ers would be happy to be secretly recorded and then have that recording given to other people. As Mark Cuban has tweeted (and I do agree), this is a slippery slope. Now the players will have to be very careful - next time a player, whether white or black, uses the "N" word, I would fully expect (and Silver will almost have to) institute a lifetime ban. Certainly Silver will have to if the player is African American - otherwise Silver will be accused of being a racist himself.

Just a bad situation. And clearly Sterling was a bad man before this occurred.

Also, remember the LA NAACP gave Sterling a lifetime achievement award - so Sterling must have had some good in him. Or maybe the LA NAACP is corrupt, I don't know.
 

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Pretty sure the concept of "free speech" applies only to the government and law. I don't think the US or California state government is trying to put him in jail for exercising that right. He can legally say whatever the hell he wants.

The powers that be at the NBA,however, will take action for exactly the reason you just alluded to; this could potentially cost them all a bunch of money. They would be foolish to to wait around and see if his actions result in an incremental loss of millions of dollars.

In my viewpoint, 'free-speech' has never meant "say whatever the hell you want, whenever the hell you want" and suffer absolutely no consequences. And life is one never-ending example of that point. You can get fired, dumped, shunned by family, ignored by madjackers, and disrespected by the community at large, for exercising your free speech willy-nilly. And most times, rightfully so.

So long as the government doesn't have the power to imprison or disenfranchise you because of your speech, I am OK with this! :0008

not the "government" in this case...but the message is clear....think inappropriate thoughts or say inappropriate things and you may lose your livelihood....who gets to decide who gets pilloried?...the media?...some small,radical activist group?....

i agree that`s not actually the case here... the guy`s obviously an asshole...and the almost universal condemnation of him speaks volumes as to where the large majority of public opinion falls on this(which also speaks volumes about where we are as a society)...

I have no problem with this yokel getting a public flogging......what I do have a problem with was the recent brandan eich/ mozilla flap in which he was forced out of his job because he had the temerity to contribute to a campaign that was against gay marriage in cali....

what made it even worse was the fact that he contributed years ago when pres. Obama took the same stance on traditional/gay marriage......

I find that kind of retroactive absolutism scary.......salem-like.....

what say you about the eich issue,imf?
 

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Agreed in many ways. I just think it sets a bad precedent to illegally record someone, who had expectation of privacy, in his own home. Next, the government will be doing the same.

If you think about it, the other bad person here is also Miss V. While Sterling's comments were hurtful, they were not expected to be public, he did not say them in public to deliberately hurt people - he said them in confidence to his lover. That doesn't mean his views were defensible, but he didn't do a Clive thing and give a racist press conference that WAS meant to hurt people. Miss V. decided to hurt people by illegally taping him, egging him on and selling it to TMZ. (although I'm sure her motives were trying to help herself).

I would bet every MJ'er has said SOMETHING at home, in private, at some point in time that could hurt them in their life with their friends, their employer, etc - whether it be racial or something else. I doubt many MJ'ers would be happy to be secretly recorded and then have that recording given to other people. As Mark Cuban has tweeted (and I do agree), this is a slippery slope. Now the players will have to be very careful - next time a player, whether white or black, uses the "N" word, I would fully expect (and Silver will almost have to) institute a lifetime ban. Certainly Silver will have to if the player is African American - otherwise Silver will be accused of being a racist himself.

Just a bad situation. And clearly Sterling was a bad man before this occurred.

Also, remember the LA NAACP gave Sterling a lifetime achievement award - so Sterling must have had some good in him. Or maybe the LA NAACP is corrupt, I don't know.

:mj07:

Thats a good one on the govt illegally recording us.



And I assume the NAACP is corrupt. Seems like whomever donates gets honored.

They knew of Sterling's past and were awarding him a lifetime achievement award, that tells you all you need to know.
 

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I could care less what happens with Sterling because he's just not a good person but I do find it funny that all of these athletes get upset about this and have tons to say when I'm willing to bet that a good majority of them on a regular basis say gay slurs or use the B word when talking about women. Where is the line drawn?

I honestly think the punishment should have been to allow each player out of their contract and then if nobody wanted to sign with the team then it would be worth crap. That punishes the man and allows for others to make those decisions.

I said it earlier in this thread but I honestly think something else is going on with this situation. Someone wants him out. If everyone was just now finding out about how he was then I wouldn't feel that way but like so many have said, it's the worst kept secret in the NBA.
 
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I could care less what happens with Sterling because he's just not a good person but I do find it funny that all of these athletes get upset about this and have tons to say when I'm willing to bet that a good majority of them on a regular basis say gay slurs or use the B word when talking about women. Where is the line drawn?

I honestly think the punishment should have been to allow each player out of their contract and then if nobody wanted to sign with the team then it would be worth crap. That punishes the man and allows for others to make those decisions.

I said it earlier in this thread but I honestly think something else is going on with this situation. Someone wants him out. If everyone was just now finding out about how he was then I wouldn't feel that way but like so many have said, it's the worst kept secret in the NBA.

in 2011, Kobe called the ref a "F"... well, you know the word. And Stern just fined him. But Silver has set a higher standard. In fact, I don't know why Silver doesn't go back and look at that and ban Kobe for life. Same type of egregious offense.

If Silver doesn't apply justice in the same manner to players, then I guess Silver is the racist.
 
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