Would Patriots Lose To Get No. 4 Seed?

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New England could dictate all AFC wild-card matchups with a loss and Ravens? victory.

If the Ravens take down the Bengals Sunday, then the New England Patriots will have the luxury of playing for either the No. 3 or 4 seed and dictate all AFC wild-card matchups.

A victorious Ravens team would move up to the No. 3 spot if the Patriots lose to Miami, setting up Ravens-Bengals matchup in Baltimore in the wild-card round. A Patriots win would keep the Ravens in the No. 4 spot and bring the Indianapolis Colts to M&T Bank Stadium in the opening round.

Conventional wisdom says that the Patriots would go for the highest-possible seed, giving them the best chance to host the AFC championship. But since the NFL went to its current playoff format in 1990, a No. 3 or No. 4 see has hosted the conference championship only twice (2006 and 2008).
So the other consideration is that a Ravens? victory would give the Patriots an opportunity to choose their wild-card round opponent and path in the playoffs.

The Patriots play at 4:25 p.m. Sunday, while Ravens-Bengals play at 1 p.m. The Patriots will have the luxury of knowing the result of the Ravens? game when they take the field, and they could conceivably lose on purpose to drop to the No. 4 seed if they would rather play the Colts than the Bengals.

History suggests they?ve tried a similar approach previously.

In 2005, the Patriots lost the final game of the regular season ? also to the Dolphins ? dropping them to the No. 4 seed instead of the No. 3 spot. In the loss, the Patriots played their backups. Quarterback Tom Brady came out of the game after the first quarter, they had first-year wide receiver Bam Childress playing cornerback and the most notorious play of the game was when they had 43-year-old backup quarterback Doug Flutie dropkick an extra point, a play that hadn?t been run successfully in the NFL in more than 60 years.
Taking the No. 4 seed gave the Patriots a wild-card matchup with the Jacksonville Jaguars, which they won 28-3. Had they been the No. 3 seed, they would have faced the Steelers in the opening round. Pittsburgh went on to win the Super Bowl that year. So it turned out to be a prudent move.

The Patriots could once again find themselves in a familiar spot this weekend, where they could go for the win to secure the No. 3 seed, or lose to get the No. 4 seed. If New England prefers a matchup with the Colts over the Bengals, then it wouldn?t be surprising to see them go for the lower seed.

Also, if the standings stay as they are right now, a wild-card win over the Colts would set up a divisional-round game with the Texans, who have lost two of their last three games. But getting the No. 3 seed would set up a first-round matchup with the Bengals and then a potential divisional-round game with the Broncos, who have won 10 straight games.

Part of the argument against losing the final game of the regular season to set up a favorable playoff matchup is that winning in Week 17 builds momentum heading into the playoffs. But the Patriots don?t appear to buy into that logic.

?I don?t think it really matters,? Patriots Head Coach Bill Belichick said about momentum earlier this week.

Brady had a similar sentiment.

?Whatever we do this weekend isn?t going to have any bearing on what happens in the playoff [game] the following week,? Brady said.

The other caveat is that the Patriots could possibly have a chance to move into one of the top two seeds and get a first-round bye, if Houston lost to the Colts or if Denver lost to the Chiefs. Like the Ravens, the Texans also play at 1 p.m., so the Patriots will know the result of that game before they start.

The Broncos take on the Chiefs (2-13) at the same time as the Patriots-Dolphins game, but the New England coaches could monitor the score of that game and decide whether to sit players based on the Denver game.

Finally, the Ravens do have control over who they draw in the wild-card round. The Ravens could guarantee they play the Colts in the wild-card round by losing to Cincinnati Sunday.

Head Coach John Harbaugh said that the focus for the Ravens is to win Sunday, and then let everything else fall into place.

?It?s hard to predict all that,? Harbaugh said. ?There is just no way to be sure. Certainly, there are percentages. We?ve looked at all that. We understand what has to happen all across the board, as far as the way that could shake out on Sunday, but there is no way to say for sure what?s going to happen, so we?ll just have to see how it plays out.?
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If I was Harbaugh, I would rest all the hurting Ravens and only play the starters no longer than the first half.

Fuck Belichick and Brady. WE do the dictating. :0008
 

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I would MUCH rather play the Colts and then the Texans rather than the Bengals and Broncos.

If the Ravens win at 1pm, bet the whole fucking farm against the Patriots. Number 4 seed is the place to be in the AFC over the 3 seed.

Harbaugh would be a total dope if the Ravens win at 1pm. TOTAL DOPE.
 

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And NOTHING will change with a Cincy win or loss so Cincy has no incentive to win either.

If nothing else, the BAL/CIN game will be interesting to watch just to see how teams try to fuck up and lose.
 

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Why the hell would you rather play the Colts than the Bengals if you are the Patriots? Indy is much more dangerous. Having said that, I would love to be wrong as I have a Cincy +20000 to win Super Bowl wager outstanding.
 

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Why the hell would you rather play the Colts than the Bengals if you are the Patriots? Indy is much more dangerous. Having said that, I would love to be wrong as I have a Cincy +20000 to win Super Bowl wager outstanding.

Did you read the article? Not likely because you missed the point.

Assuming a win over the Colts, the 4 seed would play Houston rather than the Broncos.

Who would you rather play, assuming you win the wild card round?
 

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Did you read the article? Not likely because you missed the point.

Assuming a win over the Colts, the 4 seed would play Houston rather than the Broncos.

Who would you rather play, assuming you win the wild card round?

IF Houston is the 1 seed.

Hell, so much more can still happen, I'm just making conversation....

Thanks for the feedback. :0008
 

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IF Houston is the 1 seed.

Hell, so much more can still happen, I'm just making conversation....

Thanks for the feedback. :0008

I haven't finished my coffee yet so I'm still shaking out the cobwebs...but did you just thank yourself for making conversation?
 

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I dont think NE cares much who they play in this playoffs


They are not afraid to play the Ravens


NE and Denver have the best chances to come out on top of the AFC championship

its pretty much a done deal
 

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Jack- I just had this EXACT conversation with my old man last night. I told him the smartest thing the Ravens could do would be to make sure we lose against the Bengals. The #4 seed is MUCH more favorable than the #3. IMO, Denver is the 1 place you do not want to play. Houston has shown some vulnerability in the tail end of the year where as the Broncos are getting stronger.


 

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otherwise....ya got on the plane for nothing
 

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Did you read the article? Not likely because you missed the point.

Assuming a win over the Colts, the 4 seed would play Houston rather than the Broncos.

Who would you rather play, assuming you win the wild card round?


Did you read the article? There were two main points it seemed to me. I addressed the first one as I think its a hell of an arrogant assumption for a team with as shitty a defense as New England's to assume they will beat a playoff team. They have a better chance against Cincy. They do NOT want to get in a shootout with Luck! None of it matters though as Denver has already booked a trip to New Orleans. :0074

PS. I accidentally posted a thread in NCAA Hoops that belongs in NCAA Pigskins. Will you please move it for me? :0008
 

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Why wouldnt the pats want to get in a shootout with indy? They did earlier in the year and blew them out by 35. Indy on the road isnt much of a challenge for the pats, especially in january.
 

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Hash, I hate to break your love for the Colts, but they stink!!! Their defense is a sieve. They got all the breaks and had the easiest schedule in the league
 

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Hash, I hate to break your love for the Colts, but they stink!!! Their defense is a sieve. They got all the breaks and had the easiest schedule in the league

NE isn't exactly the '85 Bears. Your track record on Indy games isn't exactly the '72 Dolphins, either.I know you think they suck, and talent-wise they may be poor on defense. However, they have a lot of heart, which is an underrated commodity in pro sports. I know I wouldn't want to play them in the playoffs. They scare me more than anyone else in the AFC.
 
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