is there any more debate on who the best.....

[Mr Hockey]

I won't defend Miami losing last night as they got beat period. What I will say is in defense of teams like Miami, especially VT, etc...

We need a playoff system period! Why is it you get somewhat rewarded if you lose early & ****ed up the ass if you lose late? If we have one undefeated team, & 8 one loss teams for example, why does only 1 of those 8 have a shot at the title?

Once VT lost, alot of people said their chances are over at being in the Sugar Bowl yet they come out & beat #2 ranked Miami. So even with doing that, they won't get much for it as realistically their shot of being in the Sugar Bowl is very very low.

This is what's wrong with the system & alot of people know it. Some ridiculous tv personalities feel that we already have a playoff system every week but that isn't a real playoff system. These knuckleheads need to admit it is all about money, politics, & power.

Every other sport has some sort of playoffs including Div 1-AA/II/III football & we need one too so teams like a VT still have a fair shot at getting to the title game.

Lets give out a scenario here:

Oklahoma runs the table

USC runs the rest of their table & finishes the season with one loss

VT runs the rest of their table & finishes the season with one loss.

Now you know USC has a much better shot of getting into the game but why not VT, they did beat the #2 ranked team in the country?

Before you get confused, I'm no VT homer or even VT fan as I can't stand the program but I'm being unbiased & looking at the facts.

What if a Northern Illinois went undefeated etc.... does their hard work consisting of blood, sweat, & tears mean nothing? We all know if they ran the table they'd be lucky to get an outright BCS bid.

This system is ****ed & will never be right until like every other sport known to man & woman, gets settled on the field of play in the end like it should! Don't give me the bs that it is because 1 plays against 2. We need a playoff system to fairly describe who is 1 vs 2 & not some stupid rankings that have way too much human & computer elements in it!

 

[Scott4USC]

DID YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THE TEAMS V-TECH PLAYS????

Central Florida, James Madison, UCONN, Rutgers, and Syracuse. UH OH, Temple is also coming up on the schedule too!!!!

Those are not impressive wins. Maybe just maybe, V-tech needs to upgrade their schedule and not try and take the easy route to NC. I would not want V-Tech in NC even if they did run the table.

I would be embarrassed if USC had that same schedule. That is why i am glad USC is trying to get Miami for BCA game next year. Miami has said no, maybe V-Tech wants a part of USC???? It would help their SOS!!!!!!!!! Or maybe they rather play James Madison, LOL.

I do agree there needs to be a playoff system, for teams like Ohio St., USC, FSU, LSU, Miami who actually do play a tough schedule. NOT for teams like V-Tech or Kansas St.

BTW, V-Tech beating Miami was impressive, but remember, Miami also was practically beaten by Florida and West Virginia. Took some amazing/lucky plays for Miami to win both of those games.

FIGHT ON!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Mr Hockey]

Scott no offense but you are talking like a homer to a certain degree. I don't like VT but I'm just looking at the facts. Why should they be shut out with one loss while others get rewarded? The only fair way to do this is to have a playoff system.

You comment on VT's schedule which isn't that tough but take into account they beat a Miami team that beat Florida who are playing some damn good football including beating former top 10 teams Georgia, LSU, etc....

This whole system makes me sick!

 

[The Big Tease]

Hmmm....I dunno man. I believe that USC is a very talented team, but as far as playing a tough schedule, you may be in over your head. USC has played teams so far with a total combined record of 35-36. That is not what I call a great schedule. It doesnt get any tougher with lowly Arizona on the road then two home games against Oregon State and UCLA. The PAC 10 is a weak conference and they really do not play any defense to speak of. Each conference has its own style of play and I am used to BIG 10 football. Some people say that BIG 10 is just boring football with no skill. That very well might be true, but I think it lends itself more to defense and defense wins championships. With that being said.....there are a ton of teams that can lay claim to being second best right now. USC, Ohio State, LSU, Virginia Tech, Miami, Florida State. The list can go even further, so hopefully this thing settles down in the next 4 weeks it could get ugly

 

[Scott4USC]

I am telling you why V-Tech should be shut out with one loss while others get rewarded!

I am not being a homer, and speaking in facts too. V-Tech scheduled and played these teams. Not my problem, its theres.

Beating Miami does not make up for V-Techs cupcake schedule. Why does V-Tech shedule these teams? They deserve to be shut out because of their scheduling. I reward a team for what they do in a season, not what they do in ONE game.

I am not in favor of a team taking the easy route to a NC. V-tech tries to do that and it shows. V-Tech's first quality opponent W. Virginia destroyed them. It was like hitting a brick wall, I LOVED IT! The next week V-Tech beat Miami but in my opinion it more about Miami playing poorly. V-Techs offense sure can rack up 50pts against division 2 schools but what have they done the last 2 weeks against quality opponent? Remember too that the game was @ V-Tech and Miami should have had 2 losses coming in and beat FSU in the rain with bad conditions.

But go ahead MR. HOCKEY and argue for V-Tech to take the easy route and reward them because they only have 1 loss. I think those teams should be punished, and maybe, just maybe, V-Tech will schedule more quality opponents.

For example Michigan (who contends for NC) schedules to play @ Oregon and loses, while same day V-Tech will go play a division 2 school? And you are saying they should be treated as equals because they hve good record and beat #2 team in country?

I guess you are the type of fan who is impressed when V-Tech beats high school teams by 40-50pts. lol.

 

[Scott4USC]

The Big Tease

I think you missed the argument. Schedules are made in advance, not year to year. USC last year played the toughest schedule in the nation. This year USC went to @ AU (ranked pre-season #1), BYU (traditionally a good team), Hawaii (traditionally bad team but program on rise last 3 years and was bowl team last year), @ ND (traditionally very good team and we play them every year)

University cannot control how good their opponents will be in years in advance. But are you telling me V-Tech thought Central Florida, James Madison, UCONN, Rutgers, and Temple would be good teams? That is EMBARRASSING!

USC is playing ARKANSAS, NEBRASKA in next few years. USC contacted MIAMI 3 times last 2 years to play, Miami keeps declining. I respect USC, and i respect other Universities that want to play quality opponents like USC. Even Beano Cook said "if USC could, they would not be afraid to schedule a PRO TEAM."

USC cannot control BYU and ND having down years when normally they have good years. NO TEAM IN THE NATION OPENED UP with a tougher 1st game than USC.

PAC 10 beats up on each other if you did not know. Very tough conference from top to bottom. Only Arizona (this year) is a very bad team. Look what USC did to IOWA last year in the Big 10! Iowa was telling USC how tough and physical the BIG 10 was and USC was gonna lose. I still laugh. Also, check out the BIG 10 record against PAC 10 teams. Look what happened to Michigan when they went to OREGON, and OREGON blew em away. Oregon over-came a HORRIBLE call in the 1st q of that game that took a TD away from Oregon and added a TD to Michigan. Michgian looks like the best team in the Big 10 and Oregon is maybe the 6th best pac 10 team.

 

[Mr Hockey]

Ok Scott, LEARN TO READ

I don't like VT, I hate them actually. I'm making the argument that we need a playoff system!

USC plays in what is a weak conference. If you really look at it, VT beat the #2 team in the country who played a decent schedule while USC beat the #6 team in the country who played a somewhat light schedule.


The point is this system is flawed bigtime. We can argue who belongs all day. In the end if we have more then one 1 loss team then we will have some problems.

Whomever mentioned Ohio St, forget those jokers. They won't make it & even if they do, could they stay within 21 pts of Oklahoma at this time?

 

[The Big Tease]

LOL.....yup keep counting the Buckeyes out. When we go to Michigan with just 1 loss, America will be chitting in their pants again, LOL

 

[G Money]

I just don't understand how USC should be #2. They havent beaten anybody but a very overrated Washington St. and Auburn. I think LSU should be #2 they beat Georgia and they destroyed Auburn when they were playing well. LSU loss came against Florida who is playing very well. USC lost to a shitty Cal team. I think USC should be ranked 4th behind LSU and FSU.

 

[Mr Hockey]

I don't think Ohio St should make it if they have one loss & lets say a team like LSU has one loss. The Tigers have played a better schedule & they lost to a good Florida team.

 

[Scott4USC]

USC: Current Schedule Strength Rank: 13

FSU: Current Schedule Strength Rank: 38

LSU: Current Schedule Strength Rank: 63

 

[Mr Hockey]

Wow this season would be awesome if it had a playoff system. The one team I wouldn't want to face right now is Florida. They are hot.

 

[Mr Hockey]

Scott lets really break that down. I will focus on USC & LSU first.

USC's schedule:

Auburn (38)
BYU (8)
Hawaii (95)
California (18)
Arizona State (25)
Stanford (15)
Notre Dame (1)
Washington (53)
Washington State (37)
Arizona (11)
UCLA (39)
Oregon State (82)


Average: 35.16 SOS

LSU:

Louisiana-Monroe (98)
Arizona (11)
Western Illinois (125)
Georgia (24)
Mississippi State (51)
Florida (9)
South Carolina (33)
Auburn (38)
Louisiana Tech (28)
Alabama (4)
Mississippi (69)
Arkansas (5)

Average: 41.25 SOS

Now lets take out common opponents Arizona & Auburn


USC SOS: 37.30

LSU SOS: 44.60


Now #'s wise USC does have the advantage but lets break it down even further.


# Of Ranked Teams Beaten @ The Time Of The Game:

LSU:

1. Western Illinois (#1 in 1-AA)

2. Georgia (#7)

3. Auburn (#17)


USC:

1. Auburn (#6)

2. Washington State (#6)


LSU has the advantage there.


Lets look at the teams USC & LSU lost too.


California (USC):

5-5; SOS 18th


Florida (LSU):

6-3; SOS 9th


Advantage to LSU here.


USC lost to a Cal team that has losses to:

Kansas State (62)

Colorado State (32)

Utah (46)

Oregon State (82)

UCLA (39)


LSU lost to a Florida team that has losses to:

Miami Florida (22)

Tennessee (13)

Mississippi (69)


LSU in my opinion has a clear advantage here as well as they lost to a team that has fewer losses then the team that USC lost too & the team they lost too has a stronger SOS. We must also factor in the fact that LSU plays in a tougher conference.

The SEC has 5 teams in the top 25 in the AP & USA Today/ESPN polls including 2 in the top 10. The Pac 10 has only 2 teams in the top 25 with only one in the top 10 in both polls. Plus the SEC has a championship game in which LSU could possibly be playing in & most likely will face a team that will be ranked in the top 25 as well at the time of the game as the 3 teams fighting in the SEC East are all ranked.

 

[Scott4USC]

Nice write-up but I do not agree on how you calculate your "own" SOS. I am going by ESPN and other sites on how they break down SOS.

ACCORDING TO ESPN

USC: Current Schedule Strength Rank: 13
LSU: Current Schedule Strength Rank: 63

Jeff Sagarin NCAA football ratings

USC SOS: 75.64 (10)
LSU SOS: 69.42 (66)

BCS Monday, October 27, 2003 (before USC played a top 10 team)
USC #35
LSU #55

There really is no comparison between USC and LSU SOS. USC played a tougher schedule, and your def. bias towards the SEC. Please do not tell me these 3 seperate sources are bias towards USC. In my opinion, USC would beat every SEC team by double digits ON THE ROAD!

Only team in the nation that USC might have trouble with is OU.

FIGHT ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Mr Hockey]

Nice write-up but I do not agree on how you calculate your "own" SOS. I am going by ESPN and other sites on how they break down SOS.

ACCORDING TO ESPN

USC: Current Schedule Strength Rank: 13
LSU: Current Schedule Strength Rank: 63

Jeff Sagarin NCAA football ratings

USC SOS: 75.64 (10)
LSU SOS: 69.42 (66)

BCS Monday, October 27, 2003 (before USC played a top 10 team)
USC #35
LSU #55

There really is no comparison between USC and LSU SOS. USC played a tougher schedule, and your def. bias towards the SEC. Please do not tell me these 3 seperate sources are bias towards USC. In my opinion, USC would beat every SEC team by double digits ON THE ROAD!

Only team in the nation that USC might have trouble with is OU.

FIGHT ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm not surprised at your homer type response. I hate to break this to you but the #'s I used were from Jeff Sagarin's ratings as of Nov 2 on USAToday!

Oh by the way since you want to be selective in the #'s you use, let me be the objective one & bring up something you are forgetting.

In his own rankins, the SEC is ranked as the #1 conference from top to the bottom while the Pac 10 is SIXTH!

What I calculated average wise was by his own #'s. Why don'T you respond to the facts I layed out between LSU & USC. I'm not a fan of LSU by any stretch of the imagination but when someone is going to be totally biased without rational, I will call them out on it.

No offense but your comment about USC versus the SEC on the road is a TOTAL JOKE & shows your biased view. I'd take your action on that & I'd come out smiling.

I'd like you to show me one valid argument in USC's case versus LSU when you look at the teams they lost too. Last I checked, USC lost @ CAL who would be lucky to walk out .500 in the SEC.

 

[hellah10]

USC would beat every SEC team by double digits ON THE ROAD!

dude, just stop lol. your making yourself look REALLY stupid by saying comments like that. Seriously, thats probably one of the dumbest comments I have ever read since I registered here.

Your beyond bias...your just blind man.

 

[hellah10]

one more thng...

you do realize the best players are in the South right???? The west coast dont have all the blue chips like the south does. Why do you think teams like Florida..Florida St..Miami...do nothing but reload. I havent heard USC's name until Norm Chow went there. All of a sudden they are gods??? Gimmie a break. The PAC-10 dont get nearly the amount of blue chippers as the South does...

 

[G Money]

There really is no comparison between USC and LSU SOS. USC played a tougher schedule, and your def. bias towards the SEC. Please do not tell me these 3 seperate sources are bias towards USC. In my opinion, USC would beat every SEC team by double digits ON THE ROAD!

Only team in the nation that USC might have trouble with is OU.

FIGHT ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

There is no way USC would beat every SEC team by double digits on the road. They play defense in the SEC thats something they dont do in the PAC 10.

I guess they didnt have trouble with a shitty Cal team. I must have watched a different game.

I'm not saying that USC is not a good team. I just dont see how they are better than the other 1 loss teams.

We can all argue all day long over this. Everybody has a different opinion. Thats why they need a playoff.

 

[Jaycadd]

You know what guys, OU could beat LSU & USC by double digits.

 

[Scott4USC]

Hellah, still think USC is over-rated? lol. You of all people going to call me a homer? Maybe you need to work on judging teams before calling others a homer. Oh yeah, you also said you would continue to fade USC, well for your bankroll sake, i hope you were kidding.

USC does not have blue chippers? LOL, You have to be kidding me. USC had the #1 recruiting class last year and will easily have a top 3 class this year. Pete Carroll and staff are the best recruiters in the nation. YOU DEF. have not watched USC football this year.

TOP 6 SEC teams: Georgia, Florida, Tenn, Ole Miss, LSU, AU

None of those 6 teams scare me. LSU is talented team, but USC would easily out coach them. Georgia is good but they are banged up and have not played well in last 3 weeks. USC would outcoach Florida. Tenn. is not very good. Already beat AU and Ole Miss does not scare me. I have watched all these teams play and USC has more talent than all of them. Also, USC has better coaching than them too. So why not predict USC to beat all 6 by double digits? USC would not beat all 6 in a row by double digits, but say, next week USC played the best SEC team, USC would win double digits. Get what i am saying? I was laughed at when i gave my write-up that USC would beat AU @ AU by double digits and called homer. Yep, so call me out a homer again. I DO NOT CARE!

I think USC is the 2nd best team in the nation, and would beat all other teams beside OU by double digits. Also, i think Vegas would favor USC by at "least" a TD over all teams in the nation except OU on neutral field.

ALL OF THIS IS MY OPINION. I AM NOT STATING IT IS A FACT.