Headed For A BCS Mess

[ThrowinPicks]

I also find it hard to believe that there is no chatter about OSU's schedule strength. Of course they beat a highly overrated Texas team on the road but outside of that who has OSU really played? Syracuse almost beat the Iowa team that went down to the wire against NIU. Minnesota, Indiana, Bowling Green, Michigan St would be an average team in the same division my high school team plays in. You all might want to go back and check the stats to see how the big east has done against the Big 10 this year. Heres what i know off hand.

Pitt over MSU
UCONN over Indiana
Iowa over Syracuse

And why dont we hear the same chatter about Michigan going to the National Championship game that we are hearing about OSU???

 

[Sun Tzu]

Fact is there are alot of bad teams and bad conferences this year. Anyone saying the Big East is good just isnt being objective, but other than maybe the SEC I would say all of the major conferences are "down." Not sure there is an answer. As with anything we all have opinions and nobody is "right."

I certainly dont believe any of the Big East would be unbeaten in the SEC, I just dont know how we use that or how much it should matter. West Virginia has won all of their games, which is all you can ask. But I also dont think they are the 3rd best team in the country. If Rutgers wins out, they will be unbeaten and probably have no chance to be in the title game, and they have a better SOS than West Virginia. What sense does that make? Heck, Boise drilled Oregon State which just beat the team that was No 2 in the BCS. And they have a similar computer ranking to WVirginia, yet nobody is touting them. Dont they have just as good an argument?

So in the end I am conflicted. If WVA or LV wins out they probably should get a shot over a team that lost (ie they blew their chance). yet, I jknow they will get drilled and neither is the "2nd best team" and the BCS is supposed to give us 1 v 2. Does anyone here really dispute that Florida, Tenn, Texas, Auburn, Cal, Notre Dame ,even USC, would all be unbeaten right now with the schedules of WVa, LV, or Rutgers? Should that matter?

 

[gjn23]

matchup is in columbus
tressel owns carr
osu perceived to be the better team and will probably be favored by 7

think most are assuming osu will beat mich

i'd love to see mich win since i cant stand osu, but i've got a bad feeling those clowns from columbus with be bcs champs

 

[ThrowinPicks]

Fact is there are alot of bad teams and bad conferences this year. Anyone saying the Big East is good just isnt being objective, but other than maybe the SEC I would say all of the major conferences are "down." Not sure there is an answer. As with anything we all have opinions and nobody is "right."

I certainly dont believe any of the Big East would be unbeaten in the SEC, I just dont know how we use that or how much it should matter. West Virginia has won all of their games, which is all you can ask. But I also dont think they are the 3rd best team in the country. If Rutgers wins out, they will be unbeaten and probably have no chance to be in the title game, and they have a better SOS than West Virginia. What sense does that make? Heck, Boise drilled Oregon State which just beat the team that was No 2 in the BCS. And they have a similar computer ranking to WVirginia, yet nobody is touting them. Dont they have just as good an argument?

So in the end I am conflicted. If WVA or LV wins out they probably should get a shot over a team that lost (ie they blew their chance). yet, I jknow they will get drilled and neither is the "2nd best team" and the BCS is supposed to give us 1 v 2. Does anyone here really dispute that Florida, Tenn, Texas, Auburn, Cal, Notre Dame ,even USC, would all be unbeaten right now with the schedules of WVa, LV, or Rutgers? Should that matter?

In my eyes Florida and Texas are the only ones who can or should do it. The rest are a notch below WVU.

Tennessee may be the worst top ten ranked football team in the history of college football.

Another good question is what is the discussion if WVU goes into Louisville and wins by 2 or 3 td's convincingly?

 

[Sun Tzu]

Pitt lost to Michigan State badly at home. Pitt didnt win that game or even come close. Syracuse played Iowa, 7th place in the Big 11, without Drew Tate - and by the way still lost.

These arent exactly sterling examples. I agree that the Big 11 is very topheavy though.

And while you can question how good Texas, florida, tenn are, fact is they would all be undefeated right now with West Virginia's schedule. My point simply being one can argue that being undefeated isnt enough alone to give WVa the nod. And now we know how bad Miami is, Louisville hasnt beaten anyone any good this year either.

 

[blgstocks]

what the hell are you talking about throwingpicks?
Pitt beat MSU? No they didnt, it was a rout. Obviously you didnt watch the game. Or check the score after.

You say Iowa went down to the wire against NIU? Did you even watch the game cause NIU should have lost by 3 tds atleast but only lost by 14...... not down to the wire at all.

You say Tenn is the worst top 10 team you have ever seen, except they only lost to florida(another top 10 team)- which they shouldve beat, and they spanked Cal(another top 10 team). How are they worst top ten team?

How was Texas vastly overated at 2 earlier in the season when they are now #4 and they deserve to jump wvu if they win out?

 

[ThrowinPicks]

what the hell are you talking about throwingpicks?
Pitt beat MSU? No they didnt, it was a rout. Obviously you didnt watch the game. Or check the score after.

You say Iowa went down to the wire against NIU? Did you even watch the game cause NIU should have lost by 3 tds atleast but only lost by 14...... not down to the wire at all.

You say Tenn is the worst top 10 team you have ever seen, except they only lost to florida(another top 10 team)- which they shouldve beat, and they spanked Cal(another top 10 team). How are they worst top ten team?

How was Texas vastly overated at 2 earlier in the season when they are now #4 and they deserve to jump wvu if they win out?

My apologies for the incorrect MSU and Pitt score folks.. .

And Sorry blgs, didnt know you would get that upset about it.

Im just trying to defend the Big East. Theyve done everything they need to in order to earn respect yet they get none.

 

[blgstocks]

My apologies for the incorrect MSU and Pitt score folks.. .

And Sorry blgs, didnt know you would get that upset about it.

Im just trying to defend the Big East. Theyve done everything they need to in order to earn respect yet they get none.

lol

I could see after rereading my post that you would think i was upset - Im not at all, just wondering what you were talking about

I am on your side though i think an unbeaten big east team should play in the NC game. I really hope it is WVU as well. I will definitely be rooting for them against the ville this week

 

[Sun Tzu]

The Big East hasnt done anything. Are you kidding?

Louisville beat Miami. That is the best win the entire conference has this year. Rutgers beat Illinois and UNC, Louisville beat KState. WVa beat Miss State. Those wins should be meaningless. Good grief, Tulane beat Miss State and Western Illinois to KState to the last play.

Pitt got drilled at home to Michigan State. Michigan State...just how bad is that team? South Florida with a nice loss to Kansas.

There is no doubt those 3 teams are having great season's and are worthy of praise, but take the glasses off. it sint like they are getting jobbed in some way and their flashy wins are being ignored. Rutgers is the team that has an argument. They are better than WVa and LV in the computers yet look where they are ranked.

 

[thom24ad]

All I know is that if UM beats OSU in their building and OSU or ND gets a rematch in the desert, then someone should be shot.

I'm also in the camp that says Louisville and WVU shouldn't get a sniff of the big one unless all the SEC teams have 2 losses.

Agreed...I've been calling a BCS fawk up from the start of the season...Arky winning out could really throw a wrench into the SEC...I'm not so sure if Florida makes it to the SEC Champ beating Arky will be enough for them to leap over a undefeated WV or Louis...But I sort of think the Harris and the AP will keep the Big East out of it...Texas is right there too...for the most part we all should be in for quite an argument at season end...People are going to be getting banned all over the place...:142smilie

I would hate to see OSU play ND...If OSU/Mich would lose I believe they are both deserving of an at large bid but who knows what the BCS will fawk up next...ND would get ran out of the building playing either one of those teams...

A side note I would like to touch on is I am sick and tired of hearing about a rematch of MICH/OSU...look my fellow Buck fans if you lose late your done...no way in hell should there be a rematch

 

[thom24ad]

matchup is in columbus
tressel owns carr
osu perceived to be the better team and will probably be favored by 7

think most are assuming osu will beat mich

i'd love to see mich win since i cant stand osu, but i've got a bad feeling those clowns from columbus with be bcs champs

Gman ever so kindly pointed out that 7 is mostly likely the right number
:mj07:

 

[gman2]

7:mj07:

dude your fawking nutz...this will be at a FG or below...playing MICH +7 would be a gift...chit I might even bite on that one...

MICH can win in Columbus...but its going to be up to Hart and the MICH running game...But historically its always came down to the QB play...

ohio state will be a 6 point favorite minimum. whether or not michigan covers is beside the point. thats for another argument. but there is zero chance of seeing a line at ohio state (-3) right now. it will open at TD and move off of that number toward (-7.5) or down to (-6)

 

[thom24ad]

ohio state will be a 6 point favorite minimum. whether or not michigan covers is beside the point. thats for another argument. but there is zero chance of seeing a line at ohio state (-3) right now. it will open at TD and move off of that number toward (-7.5) or down to (-6)

Really?...You don't think thats high...I have it a FG...I think you'll see the money flow on MICH @ a 6 or higher...but this wouldn't be the first time I've been wrong...

 

[Sun Tzu]

Agreed...I've been calling a BCS fawk up from the start of the season...Arky winning out could really throw a wrench into the SEC...I'm not so sure if Florida makes it to the SEC Champ beating Arky will be enough for them to leap over a undefeated WV or Louis...But I sort of think the Harris and the AP will keep the Big East out of it...Texas is right there too...for the most part we all should be in for quite an argument at season end...People are going to be getting banned all over the place...:142smilie

I would hate to see OSU play ND...If OSU/Mich would lose I believe they are both deserving of an at large bid but who knows what the BCS will fawk up next...ND would get ran out of the building playing either one of those teams...

A side note I would like to touch on is I am sick and tired of hearing about a rematch of MICH/OSU...look my fellow Buck fans if you lose late your done...no way in hell should there be a rematch

Forgetting the title game for a moment.....

Let's remember a couple of BCS rules. 6 automatics. A mid-major is automatic if in Top 12and automatic if above a BCS automatic. ND gets in if in Top 8. Only 2 teams per conference. We also know Rose will want Big 11/Pac 10 teams if possible.

So we are looking at Texas, Florida, OSU/Mich, Cal/USC, WVa/LV, and BC as the 6 automatics. Boise absent a loss will be guaranteed.

The OSU/Mich winner is in title game. The loser is
gonna get an at large and play Cal/USC in the Rose.

The SEC is getting an at large as well, which will be an interesting choice between Tenn/Fla/Aub assuming none is in title game.

So the final at large is gonna be a choice of LV/WVa loser, and probably USC/ND winner or Cal (if lost to USC).

So, considering the automatic tie ins and selection order, if like me, you think LV wins Thursday, I think you are most probably looking at:

Title OSU v Florida

Fiesta Texas v Boise State

Rose Michigan v Cal

Sugar Notre Dame v Auburn

Orange Louisville v BC

If WVa wins Thursday:

Title OSU v WVa

Fiesta Texas v Boise

Rose Michigan v Cal

Sugar Florida v USC

Orange Notre Dame v BC

 

[Sun Tzu]

Agree with Gman. OSu -7. And I think they will cover. Michigan just hasnt impressed me when I have watched them this year. Great job being unbeaten, but imo totally outclassed by OSU.

 

[Scott4USC]

Strength of Schedule

Undefeated Teams

Ohio St. #23
Michigan #16
West Virginia #89
Louisville #70
Boise St. #92
Rutgers #97

1 loss teams

CAL #2
Florida #8
Texas #48
USC #1
Auburn #26
Tennessee #15
ND #13

If you believe a team should "earn" their ranking, then the undefeated teams highlighted in red prob. deserve to be ranked below the 1 loss teams.

Which is more impressive? :shrug:

Going undefeated with a horrible SOS or losing only 1 game with a top 25 rated SOS?

One might argue don't penalize a team for the schedule they play. What about penalizing a team for losing only 1 game playing one of the toughest schedules in the country?

This is prob. why we need a playoff system.

What if Ohio St. and Michigan end season with 1 loss. Then what?

 

[thom24ad]

the big 11

great comment by the way...

I'm not going to dispute anything you're saying but ND would get slaughter by any of those SEC teams...they should be match up with one of the Big East teams or a Boise...lets hope to God Tex doesn't play Boise because that just a waste of a game...the Longhorns are deserving of playing a better team than that...

I don't have anything to argue against the 7...But this will be a close game...

OSU 28
MICH 27

maybe I'm just a nervous homer...

 

[gman2]

Really?...You don't think thats high...I have it a FG...I think you'll see the money flow on MICH @ a 6 or higher...

ohio state has been a clear-cut #1 the entire season. not only did they open the season atop the polls, but they have obliterated the vegas line nearly every week. only game they've lost against the number was bowling green. they're NOT going to err on the side of michigan with the spread. they're going to err on the side of "taxing" ohio state bettors.

look at the rose bowl. texas was on usc's heels the entire season yet they still opened as a TD dog to the trojans in a #1/#2 matchup. and until the final 7:00 or so of that one, usc was in position to cover that number.

the reason i reference usc/texas is because usc was a clear cut #1 the entire season but texas was there with them in the polls every week ... and STILL was a TD dog.

michigan, in a sense, has come from the semi-darkhorse role to now fight their way to #2. but they werent expected to be quite THIS good. thats not a knock at michigan. theyve always had talent. but they had some question marks coming into the year, which is why they were ranked in the teens. theyve met every challenge. but its just hard to say they should only be getting a FG on the road against a team that is an ATS machine in ohio state, not to mention the fact that osu has seized control of the rivalriy in recent years.

like i said, im not at all debating michigan's chances for this one. they are capable of winning. but as for what a fair number is, ohio state at anything less than 7 is just not accurate, and would be value for the buckeyes.

 

[Sun Tzu]

Texas is gonna get stuck with Boise. Big 12 locked into the Fiesta, and Fiesta gets last choice of teams. If Boise is qualified, that is where they will end up.

As for SOS, I think it is generally bogus. Michigan, Texas, OSU, ND and so on have played one good team this year. The other games are all "wins" and they idea of saying beating Indiana somehow means more or less than beating Arizona or Kansas is just absurd to me. I remember reading once that generally speaking in Sagarin's hoop rankings a team playing teams ranked 98, 99, 101 and 102 is considered to have a tougher schedule than a team playing teams ranked 1,2, 198 and 200. That is just ridiculous.

At least the SEC teams can argue right now that they have played more than one QUALITY team.

But, generally, the computers are a joke. I saw there are not one, but two computers, that have Washington State ahead of texas and some other quality teams. Apparently losing to Auburn, Cal and USC means more than winning games to some of these computers.

 

[thom24ad]

ohio state has been a clear-cut #1 the entire season. not only did they open the season atop the polls, but they have obliterated the vegas line nearly every week. only game they've lost against the number was bowling green. they're NOT going to err on the side of michigan with the spread. they're going to err on the side of "taxing" ohio state bettors.

look at the rose bowl. texas was on usc's heels the entire season yet they still opened as a TD dog to the trojans in a #1/#2 matchup. and until the final 7:00 or so of that one, usc was in position to cover that number.

the reason i reference usc/texas is because usc was a clear cut #1 the entire season but texas was there with them in the polls every week ... and STILL was a TD dog.

michigan, in a sense, has come from the semi-darkhorse role to now fight their way to #2. but they werent expected to be quite THIS good. thats not a knock at michigan. theyve always had talent. but they had some question marks coming into the year, which is why they were ranked in the teens. theyve met every challenge. but its just hard to say they should only be getting a FG on the road against a team that is an ATS machine in ohio state, not to mention the fact that osu has seized control of the rivalriy in recent years.

like i said, im not at all debating michigan's chances for this one. they are capable of winning. but as for what a fair number is, ohio state at anything less than 7 is just not accurate, and would be value for the buckeyes.

good point on bring up last year's NC...yeah, your right...OSU backers would hammer the FG...but from a cap stand pt the +7 would look awful tempting...but I guess thats the whole point...

and Gman...the Brownies got away with one yesterday...but I'll take what we can get...