In-season USC thread

[Englishman]

Nick:

The interesting thing about your comments is that they are always wrong. This in itself is quite an achievement.

Can the best collage football program around only have won one national title? Apparently.

Scott:

don't worry about PC leaving - he has nowhere to go. He failed miserably in the pros and showed an amazing lack of class while doing it.

Interesting analogy with the NYY and Man Utd. The NYY have not been the best team in baseball for 6 years and Man Utd have not won the Championship in four years. Yes, that's why we hate you.

You love stats Scott. Here is one for you: USC have lost 2 out of their last 6 games. Quite a dynasty you got there.

Finally Nick, proving that being wrong is no fluke in your case, even your little saying at the end of your messages is wrong. ADVERSITY reveals character, just like it revealed USC's against Oregon State and UCLA.

Now, girls, why don't you just shut up until next year!!

 

[Englishman]

Oh, sorry Scott - one other little stat for your list:

USC has lost 2 of its last 5 conference games.

Gee, I just hope the dynasty lives on.......

 

[RollTide72]

RollTide

you have the patience of the Gods

Nah Intense, I don't mind it. I enjoy having a good discussion, but people just get the facts straight. LOL

 

[flapjack]

Nick:

The interesting thing about your comments is that they are always wrong. This in itself is quite an achievement.

Can the best collage football program around only have won one national title? Apparently.

Scott:

don't worry about PC leaving - he has nowhere to go. He failed miserably in the pros and showed an amazing lack of class while doing it.

Interesting analogy with the NYY and Man Utd. The NYY have not been the best team in baseball for 6 years and Man Utd have not won the Championship in four years. Yes, that's why we hate you.

You love stats Scott. Here is one for you: USC have lost 2 out of their last 6 games. Quite a dynasty you got there.

Finally Nick, proving that being wrong is no fluke in your case, even your little saying at the end of your messages is wrong. ADVERSITY reveals character, just like it revealed USC's against Oregon State and UCLA.

Now, girls, why don't you just shut up until next year!!

Wow, talk about a worthless post. Whether or not USC's current run is the best ever is a matter of debate and largely a matter of what your defination of a dynasty is and still pending, but 5 straight BCS Bowl games, record 5 straight Pac 10 titles, 2 straight NC's, 3 Heismans, etc. Yeah you are right, they are pretty worthless.

And, funny how you know exactly what scott was talking about regarding NYY and ManU success translating to hatred despite their recent droughts. Even more funny that you mock him for getting that analogy wrong, yet in the same sentence show that you understand his point completely.

As far as Pete Carroll and the pros, like so many successful college coaches I think he's a much better fit in college, but "failed miserably and showed a lack of class?" "He has nowhere to go" You really think he could not go back to the pros in a heart beat as a head coach? That he is not consistantly approached? Just funny that someone who hops on his high horse about people getting their facts wrong is, ironically, so wrong in every paragraph he types.

Crawl back under your rock, I'm not sure you understand American sports enough to comment on them based on this post.

 

[Nick Douglas]

Hey, don't confuse me with Scott4USC. I have no clue how to handicap college football.

 

[flapjack]

I would think the more dominating college programs are bigger than one man.

I would tend to disagree. In college football, dynasties always revolve around the HC. Players come an go and play significant roles for a few years apeice. Its always the head coach and his staff that keep things going. Occasionally a school gets lucky with back to back legends in coaching, but it is all about the head coaching in college football. Bryant's Bama, Switzer's OU, etc. When they leave, unless another legend takes over, it is usually the program's downfall.

 

[Penguinfan]

but 5 straight BCS Bowl games, record 5 straight Pac 10 titles, 2 straight NC's, 3 Heismans, etc.

Speaking rationally here, I think this (besides Scotts myopioa) is what attracts dislike to the USC supporters.

I believe everyone (with the exception of USC apparently) agreed the BCS would determine the National Championship. It really doesn't matter that some people decided not to vote accordingly.

The BCS decides the NC so USC did NOT win two straight. Stop laying claim to something that belongs to LSU and jsut maybe some of the dislike would stop.

If Florida squeaks by Ohio State and JUST FOR FUN let's say Michigan stomps USC, should Michigan be given the vote for a National Championship? Should they lay claim to any piece of it?

Those who agreed with the BCS system would say no, USC would be the only place an argument would be made otherwise.

http://www.onepeat.com/

 

[THE KOD]

The BCS decides the NC so USC did NOT win two straight. Stop laying claim to something that belongs to LSU and jsut maybe some of the dislike would stop.

.................................................

EXACTLY ....

 

[flapjack]

Speaking rationally here, I think this (besides Scotts myopioa) is what attracts dislike to the USC supporters.

I believe everyone (with the exception of USC apparently) agreed the BCS would determine the National Championship. It really doesn't matter that some people decided not to vote accordingly.

The BCS decides the NC so USC did NOT win two straight. Stop laying claim to something that belongs to LSU and jsut maybe some of the dislike would stop.

If Florida squeaks by Ohio State and JUST FOR FUN let's say Michigan stomps USC, should Michigan be given the vote for a National Championship? Should they lay claim to any piece of it?

Those who agreed with the BCS system would say no, USC would be the only place an argument would be made otherwise.

http://www.onepeat.com/

Apples and Oranges. Michigan is not ranked #1 in both polls going into the Bowl games. If Michigan stomps USC by 50 and Florida squeaks by OSU, you can rest assured that BOTH polls will proclaim UF the NC, hence no split since its #1 vs #2 playing for the title. No one likes split titles, and we were all promised this system would put an end to that. But to not recognize that that year the system didn't work (IE, the #1 team in the country was playing #4 and #2 was playing #3) is not rational.

Or, just for one second, put the shoe on the other foot for a second. Imagine the scenerio this year. That through a fluke in the system, Ohio St, despite being #1 in both polls at the end of the year, got passed over by the BCS and Michigan played UF for the title. After Buckeye fans burn down half of Columbus in protest, OSU plays the #4 team in another bowl and crushes them to win the AP title while the Coaches are contractually forced to vote Michigan/UF the champ instead . Can you honestly tell me for one minute, the OSU fans and most rational non-biased people would recognize Michigan or Florida as the UNDISPUTED, sole NC? Or might they grudingly say that it is a split title but OSU got screwed outta a chance to make it an undisputed title?

 

[smurphy]

If you are going to give USC a split with LSU, then the very next year you'd have to give Auburn and Utah a split with USC. The idea of crowning a champion in college is ridiculous. There's never been a playoff. Maybe 1 in 5 years or so the planets align and we get a somewhat clear champion.

 

[flapjack]

If you are going to give USC a split with LSU, then the very next year you'd have to give Auburn and Utah a split with USC. The idea of crowning a champion in college is ridiculous. There's never been a playoff. Maybe 1 in 5 years or so the planets align and we get a somewhat clear champion.

I agree mostly with the second half of that, but Utah and Auburn were not ranked #1 and were not pronounced National Champs from the Coaches or AP after the BCS game.

 

[The Judge]

USC will have twice as many 5-star players on the roster than Texas, Ohio St., FL, ND, OU or any of the other top programs in the country.

Really?

I don't suppose you would care to make another HAT BET on this absurd statement. If so, just let me know. :142smilie

 

[Nick Douglas]

People who argue that LSU are the real 2003 national championships can never backup their argument. I mean, which would you consider more legitimate: A poll of honest opinions from people who cover the sport for their living or a rigged poll where participants are forced to vote for a certain team?

To me, saying that LSU is the 2003 national champion is like saying that Castro is the democratically elected leader of Cuba. Technically it's true, but the election was rigged.

 

[Penguinfan]

People who argue that LSU are the real 2003 national championships can never backup their argument.

Sure I can, LSU won the BCS NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP GAME.

This, in the opinion of most* would back up the argument that LSU is indeed the 03 champion.

Perhaps you would like to argue that the REAL SuperBowl champions last year were the Indy Colts, I mean they did have the best record and if not for a game saving, shoe string tackle they would have won the whole thing, so why let a little thing like the fact they didn't play in the SuperBowl get in the way?

*everyone but USC fans

 

[kneifl]

Sure I can, LSU won the BCS NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP GAME.

This, in the opinion of most* would back up the argument that LSU is indeed the 03 champion.

Perhaps you would like to argue that the REAL SuperBowl champions last year were the Indy Colts, I mean they did have the best record and if not for a game saving, shoe string tackle they would have won the whole thing, so why let a little thing like the fact they didn't play in the SuperBowl get in the way?

*everyone but USC fans

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kneifl

 

[The Judge]

People who argue that LSU are the real 2003 national championships can never backup their argument.

Case closed.

 

[smurphy]

It's a shame. That game was so ugly. I don't like USC, but I think they would have proven to be the best team in 2003 if given a chance.

College football is stupid. They could resolve 90% of any doubt with something as simple as a 4 team playoff.

 

[Nick Douglas]

Notice how nobody arguing for LSU even tries to defeat my point about coerced polling. It's the easiest argument in the world if you're dealing with intelligent, rational, unbiased people.

 

[The Judge]

Notice how nobody arguing for LSU even tries to defeat my point about coerced polling. It's the easiest argument in the world if you're dealing with intelligent, rational, unbiased people.

Are you trying to suggest that you meet this criteria? :142smilie

 

[Master Capper]

Stating the USC is a rebuliding mode may be correct, but to simply state how wonderful this team will be in the future is asnine unless of course one has a crystal ball. If you want to talk about rebuilding then look no further then the two teams that are playing for the title. OSU completely rebuilt or shall we say reloaded 90% of the defensive side of the football and Florida played more underclassmen this yer then any team in the country. Of course, Scott will state that these teams didnt play the toughest of the tough when playing OOC games, but I highly doubt Tressel would back down from playing anyone as noted by his home and home with Texas and future dates with USC so I dont buy that about the Buckeyes. As far as Florida, I think you would be hard pressed to find any team in the country that played a four game grinder like the Gators did during the middle of the season against 4 teams that IMO are top ten caliber teams. I truly believe that no one can question that PC recruits quality athletes and yes every year that he isthere they should have a shot at the national title, but the same can be said about Mack Brown, Urban Meyer, Jim Tressel and Bob Stoops that every year these guys are at the helm their team is a serious threat to win it all, no less or no greater then USC. As far as Scotts rant about the quality of recruits USC gets, I challenge him to go back the last ten years and tell me what % of the top 30 high school seniors each year actually live up to their hype, as for every Booty their are guys like Xavier Lee that are pretty much over hyped and do not live up to the hype.