Slot Machine Advice?

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Anyone play slots and actually make a profit.
How do you select the machine?

How can you tell if its ready to pay, or can you tell?

Do you keep playing it if give you a decent pay? Newbie to playing slots and heading to Vegas in a few week and would love implement the tips.
Any tips welcome.

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In a typical weighted slot machine, the top jackpot stop (the one with the highest-paying jackpot image) for each reel corresponds to only one virtual stop. This means that the chance of hitting the jackpot image on one reel is 1 in 64. If all of the reels are set up the same way, the chances of hitting the jackpot image on all three reels is 1 in 643, or 262,144. For machines with a bigger jackpot, the virtual reel may have many more stops. This decreases the odds of winning that jackpot considerably.

The losing blank stops above and below the jackpot image may correspond to more virtual stops than other images. Consequently, a player is most likely to hit the blank stops right next to the winning stop. This creates the impression that they "just missed" the jackpot, which encourages them to keep gambling, even though the proximity of the actual stops is inconsequential.

A machine's program is carefully designed and tested to achieve a certain payback percentage. The payback percentage is the percentage of the money that is put in that is eventually paid out to the player. With a payback percentage of 90, for example, the casino would take about 10 percent of all money put into the slot machine and give away the other 90 percent. With any payback percentage under a 100 (and they're all under 100), the casino wins over time.

In most gambling jurisdictions, the law requires that payback percentages be above a certain level (usually somewhere around 75 percent). The payback percentage in most casino machines is much higher than the minimum -- often in the 90- to 97-percent range. Casinos don't want their machines to be a lot tighter than their competitors' machines or the players will take their business elsewhere.

The odds for a particular slot machine are built into the program on the machine's computer chip. In most cases, the casino cannot change the odds on a machine without replacing this chip. Despite popular opinion, there is no way for the casino to instantly "tighten up" a machine.

Machines don't loosen up on their own either. That is, they aren't more likely to pay the longer you play. Since the computer always pulls up new random numbers, you have exactly the same chance of hitting the jackpot every single time you pull the handle. The idea that a machine can be "ready to pay" is all in the player's head, at least in the standard system.

When you hit the slot machines in a casino, you'll have dozens of gaming options. Machines come with varying numbers of reels, for example, and many have multiple pay lines.

Most machines with multiple pay lines let players choose how many lines to play. For the minimum bet, only the single line running straight across the reels counts. If the player puts more money in, he or she can play the additional horizontal lines above and below the main pay line or the diagonal lines running across the reels.

For machines with multiple bet options, whether they have multiple pay lines or not, players will usually be eligible for the maximum jackpot only when they make the maximum bet. For this reason, gambling experts suggest that players always bet the maximum.

There are several different payout schemes in modern slot machines. A standard flat top or straight slot machine has a set payout amount that never changes. The jackpot payout in a progressive machine, on the other hand, steadily increases as players put more money into it, until somebody wins it all and the jackpot is reset to a starting value. In one common progressive setup, multiple machines are linked together in one computer system. The money put into each machine contributes to the central jackpot. In some giant progressive games, machines are linked up from different casinos all across a city or even a state.

Some slot-machine variations are simply aesthetic. Video slots operate the same way as regular machines, but they have a video image rather than actual rotating reels. When these games first came out, players were very distrustful of them; without the spinning reels, it seemed like the games were rigged. Even though the reels and handles in modern machines are completely irrelevant to the outcome of the game, manufacturers usually include them just to give players the illusion of control.
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video poker 9/6 machines are beatable if you take advantage of the players clubs and use perfect strategy. 8/5 machines are not. if you are lucky enough to find a 10/7 machine and their are few they are +ev employing perfect strategy.

as for the big progressive banks, even when they get +ev payout wise their are teams playing at all the banks and taking up all the machines so you can't win.

slots are lifelong losing propositions, but their are certain scenarios where video poker has positive expected value.


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Stay away from them and you go home a winner.

Couldn't have said it better. He might have a better chance throwing quarters in that horse game with the dome on it. At least its a little tougher to get the quarters in it so the losses will come slower.
 

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My wife plays a lot of slots. On the whole she is losing. Like all gambling money management is important. Don't chase a jackpot or your money. If you lose your allotted stake you gambled and lost and leave it at that.
Every so often my wife gets a nice hit. Enough to keep her interested.
 

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I am up playing slot machines lifetime. $198 in the black.

Got to the Tropicana in AC one time and after gas, tolls, tips, snacks along the way, etc... I had exactly two dollars in my pocket as I walked past the Tobasco Hot Sauce slot machine on my way to the ATM.

I wasn't gonna play slots at all, but I remembered what a friend told me at the race track one time, "If I still have two dollars in my pocket I am still dangerous".

With that advice in mind I put my two dollars in the maching, got nothing on the first spin, won $200 on the second spin, cashed out and went to the poker room without hitting the ATM first.

Played 4/8 holdem for about half an hour, THEN hit the ATM.
 

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if you are lucky enough to find a 10/7 machine and their are few they are +ev employing perfect strategy.

I have never seen such a creature. Are you talking about Jacks or Better? There was a dive in Vegas called Key Largo that had a 25 cent 9/7 machine, and it's the only one I've ever seen. Not high enough stakes to make anything worthwhile, and of course Key Largo is gone now. I haven't seen any machine in a very long time in Vegas that gives you even odds and lets you play more than $1.25 per hand.
 

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I have never seen such a creature. Are you talking about Jacks or Better? There was a dive in Vegas called Key Largo that had a 25 cent 9/7 machine, and it's the only one I've ever seen. Not high enough stakes to make anything worthwhile, and of course Key Largo is gone now. I haven't seen any machine in a very long time in Vegas that gives you even odds and lets you play more than $1.25 per hand.

I knew a few guys on teams that used to do it. They would play at the stations and far off strip joints and some downtowns. The casinos were quick to rip em out when they got extended play by the same people. To my knowledge a 10/7 doesn't exist out there anymore. Certainly nowhere near the strip. But they did about 5 years ago.
 

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I knew a few guys on teams that used to do it. They would play at the stations and far off strip joints and some downtowns. The casinos were quick to rip em out when they got extended play by the same people. To my knowledge a 10/7 doesn't exist out there anymore. Certainly nowhere near the strip. But they did about 5 years ago.

I ran into these teams in my pursuit of good machines 6-7 years ago. The last great machines I saw at Vacation Village I never got to play because these damn teams took em over. Someone would leave pretending to go to restroom and his "teamate" would take the machine over. Apparently someone was sponsoring them - they were playing for hourly wages plus bonuses for jackpots. I checked by at odd hours, but the bank of 6 machines were ALWAYS filled - even if the entire casino was empty. After a few weeks, they adjusted the paylines and the scavengers dispersed. The most profitable there was Jokers Wild. That's pretty much all they played. You could go up to $1 at 5 play. The casino gave bonuses for 4 of a kinds on top of everything else. The team must have made out like bandits. I never got a chance to get my booty!
 

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i usually do well at the poker machines at the bars. last time out i played deuces wild for the first time, sitting next to ctownguy and terry ray, and kicked ass. ctown started playing it and did well too.

now if i can only keep from losing my tickets after i cash out :rolleyes:
 

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now if i can only keep from losing my tickets after i cash out


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Here's Wizard of Odds with tons of info on video poker.


Las Vegas Advisor keeps track of machine payouts. Some recent posts:

VEGAS CLUB retires its only 50? 10/7 Double Bonus machine. Only lone 10/7 in dollars remains.

SOUTH POINT reappoints 9/6 Jacks or Better on its Multi Strike machines. In spite of recent cuts, I still have high hopes for one of my favorite places and think this is a good sign.

SUNCOAST rains on high-limit players? parades, changing the $5-$25 NSU Deuces to ?Ugly Ducks? (98.9%). There are still $2 NSU games in the bars and at least one bank on the floor


Last month we weren?t sure, but now we are?the bar in the Palms? Playboy Club comps drinks for 25? video poker. This is a strong comp play that pencils out as follows. The bar schedules run in the 98%- to 99%-return range, with the best being the 8/5 Bonus (99.17%). Assuming you play it close to perfectly, going through a $10 buy-in once costs about 10? in expected losses. So with beers going for $8 and cocktails for $11, you can play through about 650 max-coin hands before you?re losing more than the cost of the drink. From a drink-comp standpoint, that?s about as good as it gets. This doesn?t factor in the $20-$40 it?ll cost you in admission charges just to get into the club, but once you?re there, video poker provides the cheapest way to drink.
 

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Somehow I always feel reluctant to mess with anything that backs its ass to the wall and challenges the world--but good way to kill time.

Don't know if this is correct as am not a casino buff but was told while they generally advertise the payouts 98% ect some machines are actually set higher and some lower--might be myth -maybe someone in the know can shed some light.

Anyway am 3 for 3 on winning side of slots with this- even if erroneous.

Past time out at Vegas with Jack and crew was stranger than truth. Took wife for 1st time. Thought slots would be easiest for her to learn and put her on free play video poker link at bodog to practice up prior to going.

Last 2 days I thought I'd let here play. Sat down and gave girl that brought drinks a 10 spot and ask her if she could point me to "lucky" machine.
She walked me almost at other end of casino "out of her section" and said thats my fav.Was convinced she put me on machine she "thought" was good or why else would she take someone that had given her $10 out of her section.

To make long story short played for about 12hours on this machine during 2 days and probably ended about $600 to the good--which is not remarkable except for fact that I anticipated cutting losses at start and only let her play one quarter at a time--she hit 3 or 4 licks that would have paid $800 to a $1000 had she used maximum coins. Was unbelievable.
 

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I, like Jack, like the Poker machines at thr Bar. Up Early with a Cup of Joe and a Bloddy Mary.

On Slots I only Play Red White and Blue
 

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Slot machine 97% payback.....etc

Slot machine 97% payback.....etc

From my readings and inquiries over the many years of playing slots; the advertised payback is over the LIFETIME of that machine......

.My first experience with slots was in Vietnam at a enlisted man's club ( nickel beer and nickel drinks happy hours) circa 1970.
I played a quarter machine and after a couple hours play won $200.00 or so.
Pretty heady money when I was making about about $500.00 a month.

In 1991 I was in Hong Kong and me and a buddy took a hydrofoil to Macau to gamble, other than horse racing, gambling is illegal in H.K. the slots there are known by the locals as "hungry tigers".

I do not believe there are any "systems"...just blind dumb luck..

I have noticed that Indian Casino's slots based on Bingo play, (Oklahoma) are geared towards a number of people playing a bank of machines. I believe the payouts are generated by a "pool" created by the players.

...If you play one in a bank of machines and no one else is playng in that bank, you will get your bankroll vacuumed, as there is no current "pool" ....if there is a full house and machines are scarce, you can find a favorable situation, at that point I up my bets.

In the long run, look at it as entertainment and move frequently till you find a "payer"
 
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