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They are happy with it until they need it and make a big enough claim, and get denied, now they're not so happy with it. I'am sure they're happy paying those high sky premiums also.

Spy Let me clear something up on prex ex and insurabilty so we can keep things in prespective on issues

Areas that I think need addressed--

As I said before I am in complete agreement on people with individual poilcies getting raked if they have substantial claim and agree this is area that needs addressed.
Another area is those that leave group can have cobra for 18 months but after they may be turned down period--with high risk pool only option.
Worse yet is if group goes bankrupt and group coverage is terminated they do not have to accept anyone employees on health as each will be individually underwritten.

All the above examples I deem unfair and need to be addressed

Under a group policy--a new hire is excepted regardless of health and can not be turned down.

group coverage is quite diff

Also if person goes from one group carrier to another there are no pre ex condions provided they have not went without insurance for over 62 days.

The reason the group coverage is much more fair is you have the law of large #'s. Everyone in group is covered except for a few that may waive coverage for a reason such as already covered under spouse plan who's coverage is better.

so the prob lies with individual coverage. If they could some get "everyone" to be covered this issue would be solved.
The prob I see is how do we get everyone covered. Those that can't pay would have to be paid for by those already footing bill on their own via taxes. I am not in favor of that--so what other options are left.

O said his plan would increase defict--which the CBO already said was incorrect.

The only way that O can be correct is if they add a tax on top of medicade and medicare to pay for these people--and I don't think he's going to get any volunteers among tax payors to foot bill for their own insurance plus foot bill for medicare-medicade and now 43 more million.

--and with medicare/medicade already being in huge deficits I'm not sure if he added 50% tax of everyone gross wages if he could balance the book on healthcare.

Every admin we've had has addressed this issue along with ssn and there are no answers.

I would like to think that O has good intentions--but with him turning his back on tort reform which is biggest culprit and easiest to fix--I have to say his political interests are his primary concern.

I heard him guarantee someone on radio today we would have healthcare reform--is odd he said healthcare because he had changed tune to insurance reform after his rating took a hit.

Also there is rumors theywill use nuclear option (requires 50 votes instead of majority, to pass.

I still don't think he will get any "healthcare care" bill passed but will opt for watered down insurance reform and then claim victory.
 

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btw...a funny clip showing a guy at a healthcare rally packing...except msnbc protects their "racist" narrative by showing the "black guy" that`s packing from the waist down so you can`t tell that he`s an african american....

:lol: ...they really think you guys are that stupid...
First, it wasn't a "healthcare rally". It was the VFW National Convention in Phoenix on Monday and it was revealed the black guy walking around with a pistol strapped to his hip and an AR-15 slung over his shoulder was part of a stunt perpetrated by a local Phoenix radio station.

Now, who's the "stupid" one, Weasel? :142smilie
 
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I do take offense to the Hitler/Bush thing. It is a total lack of respect for the highest office in the land. Something I would never do. I prefer Mr. President, when thinking about any of our presidents.

My last writing posed riduculous scenerios not unlike what I hear from gardenweasel. Those tired old accusations really don't deserve a reply.

DTB, I think we are on the same page with healthcare as I mentioned my stance before.

And I am sick of all the under handed deals inside the beltway. We seem to be getting more and more corupt practices, and even embolden.

I can list plenty of democrats and my dislikes for them. Fiscal responsibility is at the top of my list, and is spun by both parties.

Interesting to see how this plays out. News every day coming out about the previous administration, not helping the legacy.

I feel the strategy of no, if continued, will haunt them down the road. I could be wrong. Peace.
 

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I agree KC -believe we agree on basic principles.

The things I'd really like to see O do on healthcare reform are--

1st- repeal GW's rx medicare part D program

--then proceed to clean up medicade and medicare by implementing cost cutting measures that they say they have uncovered.

--and implement insurance reform to protect those that have been continously covered by insurance--from exborant increases due to medical conditions after the fact.

currently underwriters look at basically 4 underwriting areas to determine rates

-trend factor--adjustment on cost of healthcare
-geogrphical factor--cost of care in area people live
-age/lifestyles/physical traits/medical conditions
--claim experience

The last 2 areas definately need reform.

One area I think the gov and ins co could work together on is high risk pool. There are several now with state and ins co but no federal affiliation I am aware of.
 

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Wayne, I'm curious. I am currently carrying COBRA insurance and have a few months left after losing my bennies with my loss of job hours. My wife went through some cancer issues, but nothing over the top - melanoma and skin-related... very serious of course but no hospital stays, all outpatient for the most part. Do you think we will have trouble obtaining new individual insurance? This is one of the drawbacks of her law practice, the office is so small that they don't provide insurance as it would make no financial sense for the partners, so she was tied to mine. Any thoughts on the best path for use to take? If you have time, I appreciate any thoughts.
 

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First, it wasn't a "healthcare rally". It was the VFW National Convention in Phoenix on Monday and it was revealed the black guy walking around with a pistol strapped to his hip and an AR-15 slung over his shoulder was part of a stunt perpetrated by a local Phoenix radio station.

Now, who's the "stupid" one, Weasel? :142smilie

you miss the point (as usual), trenchie...listen to the "contessa" go on her racist-themed spiel all the while it`s so obvious that pmsnbc cropped the video so we couldn`t see the that the guy was actually african american...:D

ya`see,that didn`t fit their narrative....oh,you don`t see that?....

/:director: come in planet zongo!

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Spot on DTB. I have been writing my congresswman with most of what you are saying. I'm going to add the rest of your points today when I write. Thank you.

I'm also curious how you feel conderning Chadman's question. I'm trying to stay as informed as possible and I have the time to promote good things.

Off topic, but it has to do with hospitals and I'm excited about it: We have a golden retriever (18 months) who is now trained for therapy worked. The University of Iowa Hospitals & Clinics have stringent rules, requiring Delta Certification. He has been through 3 schools doing a great job. He soon be working in the childrens' cancer ward and other areas of the hospital. Cayman will also be working in nursing homes and rehabilitation centers. Being retired, I have plenty of time and wish to give back volunteering where I can.
 

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you miss the point (as usual), trenchie...listen to the "contessa" go on her racist-themed spiel all the while it`s so obvious that pmsnbc cropped the video so we couldn`t see the that the guy was actually african american...:D

ya`see,that didn`t fit their narrative....oh,you don`t see that?....

/:director: come in planet zongo!

/:lol:
OK, so both you and MSNBC were duped. No shame in that; you're in good company. I doubt MSNBC would have used that footage had they known it was a Phoenix radio station stunt.

Planet Zongo signing off now. :D
 

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Wayne, I'm curious. I am currently carrying COBRA insurance and have a few months left after losing my bennies with my loss of job hours. My wife went through some cancer issues, but nothing over the top - melanoma and skin-related... very serious of course but no hospital stays, all outpatient for the most part. Do you think we will have trouble obtaining new individual insurance? This is one of the drawbacks of her law practice, the office is so small that they don't provide insurance as it would make no financial sense for the partners, so she was tied to mine. Any thoughts on the best path for use to take? If you have time, I appreciate any thoughts.

Chad Just got in from golfing.
I'll call some brokers I know from Minnesota in the morning and get the low down on whats available there. We'll put our heads together and see what we can come up with. I get back with you then.
 

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Did a little preliminary research Chad--and the worst scenerio I can see is that wife would be put in high risk pool with no waiting period for pre ex conditions. Rates aren't pretty--in link below--but this is last resort--we'll look into better options next.

http://www.mchamn.com/html/deductible_plan.html

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Chad You made note that your cobra would be running out soon so would take a few steps as soon as possible.

1st step--Find out if you have conversion rights to single plan from your current carrier after cobra ends. If they do it will save you from having to fill out new application and adding any health conditions that may have came up since your application to group. If you have conversion priviledge they should give you plan and premium. If they make you submit app and underwrite it-do so. If they decline wife you will need to keep statement that you were declined to as proof for qualifying for guarantee issue plan.

Next step--regardless of they have conversion or not I would submit app with another carrier (BC BS or others) to see what their premiums will be. I know in KY we can submit app with no premium--not sure Minn is same.

Another area I would look into is have your wife discuss with lawfirm of setting up Health Savings Account. It works great with small groups. Most Savings Accounts I have set up are on small law and accounting firms.
Premiums would not be that much on high deductible plan and best bargaining chip for other members in firm is it lets them sock money away and accumulate tax free and premiums are tax deductible. If firm is not interested I would look into individual plan for you wife. It is best thing since sliced bread per insurance.

Here is short article on HSA's
http://www.entrepreneur.com/money/taxcenter/taxstrategiescolumnistdavidmeier/article69926.html

I can't access Mn rates but these would be standard rates (middle of the road)in KY for husband and wife age 55

<TABLE border=4 width="50%" align=center><TBODY><TR align=middle><TD colSpan=8>Kentucky Individual Quote</TD></TR><TR><TH colSpan=7>Monthly Payment Option</TH></TR><TR align=middle><TH colSpan=7>Warren County</TH></TR><TR bgColor=#cccccc><TH bgColor=#cccccc vAlign=center align=middle>Medical Product</TH><TD vAlign=center align=middle></TD></TR><TR bgColor=#cccccc><TH bgColor=#cccccc vAlign=center align=middle>Medical Deductible</TH><TD vAlign=center align=middle>$3,000 </TD></TR><TR bgColor=#cccccc><TH bgColor=#cccccc vAlign=center align=middle>Rx</TH><TD vAlign=center align=middle>included subject to Ded/Coin</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#cccccc><TH bgColor=#cccccc vAlign=center align=middle>Maternity</TH><TD vAlign=center align=middle>No </TD></TR><TR bgColor=#cccccc><TH bgColor=#cccccc vAlign=center align=middle>Mental Health</TH><TD vAlign=center align=middle>No </TD></TR><TR><TH bgColor=#cccccc vAlign=center align=middle>Medical Rate</TH><TD vAlign=center align=middle>$527.11</TD></TR><TR><TH bgColor=#cccccc vAlign=center align=middle>Calculated Risk Factor</TH><TD vAlign=center align=middle>0.688 </TD></TR><TR align=middle><TD colSpan=7>(Calculated Risk Factor may vary by deductible options) </TD></TR>
</TBODY></TABLE><TABLE border=4 width="90%" align=center><TBODY><TR><TH></TH><TH>Name
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</TH><TD>male</TD><TD align=middle>Standard One</TD><TD align=middle>0.688</TD><TD align=middle>M</TD><TD align=middle>55</TD><TD align=middle>No</TD><TD align=middle>No</TD>


</TR><TR><TH>Spouse

</TH><TD>female</TD><TD align=middle>Standard One</TD><TD align=middle>0.688</TD><TD align=middle>F</TD><TD align=middle>55</TD><TD align=middle>No</TD><TD align=middle>No</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
 
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Did a little preliminary research Chad--and the worst scenerio I can see is that wife would be put in high risk pool with no waiting period for pre ex conditions. Rates aren't pretty--in link below--but this is last resort--we'll look into better options next.

http://www.mchamn.com/html/deductible_plan.html

Well...one option would be single-payer, everyone covered, no increase for pre-existing conditions.

Of course that wouldn't appeal to you, now would it, you whiny capitalistic doggy?

So, take it up the ass from for-profit insurance...and if you think it's bad now, just wait until you and she are a few years older, with another pre-ex or two. $5000/month, $10K deductible...each, how's that sound, doggy?

Ten years older and you won't get any policy at all, just a rejection. Not even a free jar of Vaseline.

Woof. Woof.
 
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Well...one option would be single-payer, everyone covered, no increase for pre-existing conditions.
Duff... If this country ever develops the resolve and courage to defeat the insurance company/for-profit healthcare lobby... most of the insurance company fanboys here will be the FIRST ones to dump their high premium, high co-pay, high-risk insurance companies and fill out the paperwork for the public option plan.

kurby kurby kurby Run Insurance Company Fanboys... Run!!!! kurby kurby kurby
 

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Did a little preliminary research Chad--and the worst scenerio I can see is that wife would be put in high risk pool with no waiting period for pre ex conditions. Rates aren't pretty--in link below--but this is last resort--we'll look into better options next.

http://www.mchamn.com/html/deductible_plan.html

if something isn't done, they're gonna force me to sell my house and hide my assets because these premiums are way fucking out of hand. plus, wait another 5 years and see where they are. highwayfuckingrobbery!

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Duff... If this country ever develops the resolve and courage to defeat the insurance company/for-profit healthcare lobby... most of the insurance company fanboys here will be the FIRST ones to dump their high premium, high co-pay, high-risk insurance companies and fill out the paperwork for the public option plan.

kurby kurby kurby Run Insurance Company Fanboys... Run!!!! kurby kurby kurby

Well, Trench, our only hope (and by "our", I mean you youngsters, not me, since I'm already on single-payer socialized medicine) is that Obama will get backed against the wall by the Party of NO, grow a pair, kick ass, take names, and get the job done.

Maybe he's learning that negotiating with congressional Republicans is like negotiating with the ass-end of a skunk. The harder you try, the more it stinks. Better to just shoot the skunk in the head in the first place. Actually, I thought we did that for him the past two elections.

He should take a lesson from his Republican Sec of Defense, Bob Gates, the first since Truman to fire a four-star.

Now there's a republican I could vote for.
 
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Duff... If this country ever develops the resolve and courage to defeat the insurance company/for-profit healthcare lobby... most of the insurance company fanboys here will be the FIRST ones to dump their high premium, high co-pay, high-risk insurance companies and fill out the paperwork for the public option plan.

kurby kurby kurby Run Insurance Company Fanboys... Run!!!! kurby kurby kurby

I can understand how you and muff think all these social programs -medicade-foodstamps etc) are free- but that applies only to your base--not the tax payor.
Same reason you have no prob with tax cuts being recinded-capital gains tax to increase 50%

--it doesn't fcking apply to you

As I said 100 times depends apon which end of the redistribution your on.

If your productive element of society its :(

If your Gumby's base its--
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if something isn't done, they're gonna force me to sell my house and hide my assets because these premiums are way fucking out of hand. plus, wait another 5 years and see where they are. highwayfuckingrobbery!

:sadwave:

I can sympathize with you Jack and something needs to be done--it justs not O's universal healthcare--We've had a look at it already on a state wide scale --and appears to me things could be worse--for the productive

Bay State health insurance premiums highest in country

Rein in health costs, Massachusetts urged

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<!-- bdc_emailWidget --><!-- end ETAF -->Massachusetts has the most expensive family health insurance premiums in the country, according to a new analysis that highlights the state?s challenge in trying to rein in medical costs after passage of a landmark 2006 law that mandated coverage for nearly everyone.



The report by the Commonwealth Fund, a nonprofit health care foundation, showed that the average family premium for plans offered by employers in Massachusetts was $13,788 in 2008, 40 percent higher than in 2003. Over the same period, premiums nationwide rose an average of 33 percent.

The report did not break out how much premiums have increased in Massachusetts since the 2006 changes went into effect, so it does not show whether the law affected the rate of price increases. Still, with the state?s law often cited as a model for a national health care overhaul, advocates on various sides of the issue said the report underscores the urgency of including cost controls in any large-scale federal or state overhaul.

?While expanding coverage was the logical first step in Massachusetts, cost control is equally as important,?? said Andrew Dreyfus, an executive vice president at Blue Cross Blue Shield of Massachusetts, the state?s largest private insurer with 3 million members. ?And if you don?t face the cost issue directly, then you can jeopardize the progress you?ve made in expanding coverage.??

President Obama has championed a national health care overhaul that includes cost controls, as well as coverage expansion to nearly every American. But critics have questioned some of his administration?s projected savings, and his proposal for a public insurance plan to compete with private insurers is faltering in Congress.

In Massachusetts, brokering the 2006 overhaul was such a delicate and years-long undertaking that the disparate interest groups - insurers, businesses, consumers, hospital and doctors organizations - all agreed to first tackle health coverage expansion and leave the cost question for a later date.

Now, the Commonwealth Fund report projects that without significant cost reforms, an annual family premium in Massachusetts will soar to $26,730 by 2020.
 

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I can understand how you and muff think all these social programs -medicade-foodstamps etc) are free- but that applies only to your base--not the tax payor.
Same reason you have no prob with tax cuts being recinded-capital gains tax to increase 50%

--it doesn't fcking apply to you

As I said 100 times depends apon which end of the redistribution your on.

If your productive element of society its :(

If your Gumby's base its--
Imagine? An insurance salesman going to the mat for the insurance industry. Shocking!!

First, I'm OK with a POP (Public Option Plan); however, I don't see how it will address skyrocketing costs. Single-Payer is the ONLY option that could possibly address this problem, but it appears the Red Dogs (Rebs) and the Blue Dogs have convinced Obama to give up on Single-Payer.

Second, I don't care if a POP costs $100 Billion a year. IMO, Obama's made a fundamental mistake in how he's presented his Healthcare Reform plans to the American people. We could easily pay for it without raising taxes and I?ll explain how (later).
 

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Imagine? An insurance salesman going to the mat for the insurance industry. Shocking!!

First, I'm OK with a POP (Public Option Plan); however, I don't see how it will address skyrocketing costs. Single-Payer is the ONLY option that could possibly address this problem, but it appears the Red Dogs (Rebs) and the Blue Dogs have convinced Obama to give up on Single-Payer.

Second, I don't care if a POP costs $100 Billion a year. IMO, Obama's made a fundamental mistake in how he's presented his Healthcare Reform plans to the American people. We could easily pay for it without raising taxes and I?ll explain how (later).


Not anymore shocking than a member of Da Base wanting another freebee on the back of the tax payor.

on the explain later--got something I'd like you and you alter ego Duff to explain.

You have same name format--post about the same times--many time one after another.

I noticed that after getting on Muff about her time slots (no job) on posts she has let it be known 3 times since he/she is on medicare.

Lets see--we are to believe that a senior citizen (with name and avatar as such)comes to "sports forum" and has 0 posts sports--as out of 76 posts one is in mojo the rest politics--

Little doubt this is you or one of your invites/plants from the Kos or some other liberal blog..

--and if Muffs on medicare it's disabilty as dependent --and would give 2/1 her fav athlete was Billy Jean King :)
 

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Not anymore shocking than a member of Da Base wanting another freebee on the back of the tax payor.

on the explain later--got something I'd like you and you alter ego Duff to explain.

You have same name format--post about the same times--many time one after another.

I noticed that after getting on Muff about her time slots (no job) on posts she has let it be known 3 times since he/she is on medicare.

Lets see--we are to believe that a senior citizen (with name and avatar as such)comes to "sports forum" and has 0 posts sports--as out of 76 posts one is in mojo the rest politics--

Little doubt this is you or one of your invites/plants from the Kos or some other liberal blog..

--and if Muffs on medicare it's disabilty as dependent --and would give 2/1 her fav athlete was Billy Jean King :)

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now your getting paranoid

the bad people are ganging up on poor Gumby
 
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