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I've heard there are some rational people who actually believe that God does not "owe" them an explanation. In addition (as preposterous as it sounds), they believe that God's ways are above their ways and His thoughts are not their thoughts.
How could this be?
Does that mean there may be a Diety who operates outside the realm of "human" logic and reasoning?
What if this Diety created mortal man so that man was not "entitled" to understand but to merely trust and believe?
Isaiah 45: 5-7 ~ "5 I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:
6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else.
7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things."
I know... "God works in mysterious ways".
Tell that to the parents of children who've been raped or murdered.
There are followers of Jesus Christ who had children raped and murdered and still believe.
How could this be?
"Oh, what a Saviour!"
Blessed be His holy name.
I'm not saying those who believe in the teachings of Jesus Christ should stop believing when tragedy enters their life.
What I AM saying is that I doubt the average Christian accepts the idea that serial killers and child rapists are welcomed into the Kingdom of God by simply proclaiming their faith in Jesus Christ at the eleventh hour.
Its not enough to just believe.Its what lies in your heart that truly matters.God knows were your heart is.Its much easier to say an eye for an eye then to turn the other cheek.
What if this "diety" - Yahweh, Thor, Muhammad, The Great Spirit, Zeus, whichever is your favorite flavor, is simply what the ignorant invent to explain that which they do not understand?
I'm still waiting for just one of them to perform just one miracle. Healing an amputee would be good.
opcorn2Duff, your argument has been around a long time.
If we could all see a miracle, our belief would no longer require a "leap of faith."
Hebrews 11:6 ~ "But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him."
You and Buddy are dancing around the point.
Buddy said...
"Even the vilest offender
who truly believes
that moment
from Jesus
a pardon receives"
So would YOU accept a "pardon" by Jesus for the man who raped and brutally murdered your wife and children simply because the human scum that could do such a thing suddenly "found" God?
I wouldn't and I'll bet most self-proclaimed Christians wouldn't.
I believe in miracles.
Tim Tebow had multiple 4th quarter come-from-behind victories this year and he promptly thanked the Lord for each, all while unspeakable atrocities were being commited around the world.
Yup, God does indeed work in mysterious ways.
Whatever someone believes in his relationship with God is none of my business. If he believes Jesus has forgiven him of his sin, that is part of private prayer between him and his creator.
We are all given that opportunity.
Ah, the old "leap of faith", the assassins creed, Bin Laden's belief.
So, Buddy, why would a rational deity require something so speculative, so irrational?
Why wouldn't a deity, just say something like this: "I'm the deity, here watch this" - and then restore some limbs?
Doesn't the deity want everyone to know, everyone to believe, or is your deity so capricious and irrational, that he requires
an irrational act? What is it with your deity, does he/she/it like condemning people to Hell?
What kind of all-loving deity is THAT? Is that the one who commanded the Christians to conduct the Crusades and slaughter three million Muslims, men, women and children?
Hell's Bells, if your deity wanted them converted to some other religion, he could have just shown up, done a few quick miracles and cures, and the entire population on Earth would believe.
Perhaps you think the back side of the Moon is made of green cheese, or that Obama is a Muslim, or that global warming is a hoax, or that Bush was behind 9-11, or that vaccines cause autism. After all, those require only another Leap Of Faith, eh? :shrug:
I use the bible as the authority on these questions and I've said it before...
Hebrews 11:6 ~ "But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him."
My most sincere answer would be this...
Take your questions to God and He will provide an answer. He will answer in His time, not when you expect a reply. And I assure you, when you receive His answer, it will be undeniable.
Ah, more "leap of faith" to substitute for ignorance.
What about Calculus, I'll bet you need a leap to believe that.
Nuclear reactions, another leap.
Shit, Buddy, I'll bet you need a leap of faith to accept documented history.
You and Bin Laden, leap-of-faithers.
Really?
What about this - ?
Genesis 38:8-10
Then Judah said to Onan, ?Go in to your brother?s wife, and perform your duty as a brother-in-law to her, and raise up offspring for your brother.? Onan knew that the offspring would not be his; so when he went in to his brother?s wife, he wasted his seed on the ground in order not to give offspring to his brother. But what he did was displeasing in the sight of the LORD; so He took his life also.
So, you going to knock up your brother's wife, or is Gawd going to kill you?
Grow up. :mj07: :mj07: :mj07: :mj07:
Duff, you're a hoot!
Well it's been a long day, and lacklustre as I am and immature as I may appear to some, this will be my final comment ~
"Don't be caught dead without Jesus"
Well it's been a long day, and lacklustre as I am and immature as I may appear to some, this will be my final comment ~
"Don't be caught dead without Jesus"
Well then, I'll ask you a similar question, Buddy...
Would YOU accept the pardoning of a man, by your creator, who brutally murdered your family, simply because he professed his faith in your creator?
I don't believe that most people, regardless of their belief system, would.
For starters it works the other way around God finds you(predestination,some would argue this but thats a diff. topic.)To answer your question it wouldn't be up to me ,that would be up to God to accept his forgivness.Having said that,if he truly meant it and his heart was in the right place then yes I think God would,but only God knows the condition of his heart.
