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yeah check it out my man, even just the first 6 mins ... but later they go into the same things we are dealing with here due to the murders by cheney/bush/mossad cabal ...

if you litter or dont use seatlbelt you can be arrested ... they stopped an 11 year girl on her bike on terror bill ... they used it to arrest an 82 year-old heckler ...

blair might have redder neck than bush:scared
 

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Right to the point about 911


Quote:
"I think we can all agree by now that we are dealing with some very, very, very smart cookies here. The perps of 9/11 are not the bumbling morons they are often portrayed as by those who stumble across "evidence" that's been hung out for all to see like blood stains on a white sheet. I think 90% of what we've "discovered" about 9/11 since 9/11 has most likely been intentionally placed there."


Got this from another poster on another board.........He also writes

Once again, the big obstacle in most minds is this: wow, they'd really have to be ahead of the game to be thinking like that.

Yes, I think they are way ahead of the game. :SIB
 
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Heres ones opinion about the plane that hit the pentagon........

Here's news: a great big ****ing Boeing full of passengers hit the Pentagon.
and they got bodies, autopsies, DNA and all the rest of that good stuff
to prove that beyond a doubt. In the bag. But they're holding it back and
feeding this no-plane BS to the movement.

So when the 9/11 movement looks like it's getting traction, they will wheel
out all this evidence and use it to totally trash the movement in the media.

That's been the gameplan all along.

Interesting if true........I guess we shall see.......
 

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hey mav

interesting point about the boeing at the pentagon in storage, but you and i both know if that does happen it is staged to shut people up ... anyhow, you are totaly on the button on how smart these people were in mapping out their soap opera; in many ways it was a brilliiant script, tho with anything of such magnitude there are many holes, hence people were forced to sign gag orders or bribed to shut up, or threatened ala the uss liberty ...

that said, watch this vdeo, it will explain your theory to max, perhaps you have already seen it; its prob my fave vid of 911

take care
gregg

http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=347655064407137426
 

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new evidence in today, NIST backpedals

new evidence in today, NIST backpedals

thanks to my boy sponge for emailing this to me:00hour

NIST Admits Total Collapse Of Twin Towers Unexplainable

Implicitly acknowledges controlled demolition only means by which towers could have fallen at free fall speed

Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet
Tuesday, October 16, 2007



The National Institute for Standards and Technology has been forced to admit that the total free-fall collapse of the twin towers cannot be explained after an exhaustive scientific study, implicitly acknowledging that controlled demolition is the only means by which the buildings could have come down.

In a recent letter (PDF link) to 9/11 victim's family representatives Bill Doyle and Bob McIlvaine, NIST states, "We are unable to provide a full explanation of the total collapse."

A 10,000 page scientific study only offers theories as to how the "collapse initiation" proceeded and fails to address how it was possible for part of a WTC structure to fall through the path of most resistance at freefall speed, completely violating the accepted laws of physics.


In addition, NIST's own studies confirmed that virtually none of the steel in either tower reached temperatures hotter than 500 degrees. The point at which steel weakens is 1000 degrees and melting point is reached at 1,500 degrees, according to NIST itself.

"NIST'S 10,000-page report purports to explain what it calls "collapse initiation" -- the loss of several floors' vertical support," writes Kevin Barrett of Scholars for 9/11 Truth. "In order to dream up this preposterous scenario, NIST had to ignore its own tests that showed that virtually none of the steel got hotter than 500 degrees f. It had to claim that somehow the planes took out many core columns, despite the fact that only a direct hit by an engine would have been likely to do so, and that the chances of this happening even once are fairly low. It had to preposterously allege that the plane that nicked the corner of the South Tower took out more core columns than the one that hit the North Tower almost dead center. It had to tweak all the parameters till they screamed bloody murder and say that the steel was far weaker than it actually was, the fire was far hotter than it actually was, the sagging was far greater than it actually was, and so on. And so NIST hallucinated a computer-generated fantasy scenario for "collapse initiation"--the failure of a few floors."

"But how do you get from the failure of a few floors to total collapse at free-fall speed of the entire structure? The short answer: You don't. Anyone with the slightest grasp of the laws of physics understands that even if all of the vertical supports on a few floors somehow failed catastrophically at exactly the same moment--a virtually impossible event, but one necessary to explain why the Towers would come straight down rather than toppling sideways--the top part of the building could not fall THROUGH the still-intact, highly robust lower part of the building, straight through the path of most resistance, just as fast as it would have fallen through thin air."

"Thus total free-fall collapse, even given NIST's ridiculous "initiation" scenario, is utterly impossible. The probability of it happening is exactly equal to the probability of the whole building suddenly falling upward and landing on the moon," concludes Barrett.

NIST have yet to properly address the sudden freefall collapse of WTC Building 7, which imploded on the late afternoon of 9/11 despite not being hit by a jetliner.

In August 2006, NIST promised to scientifically evaluate whether explosive devices could have contributed to the 47-story building's collapse but no answers have been forthcoming.

In August of this year, James Quintiere, Ph.D., former Chief of the Fire Science Division of the National Institute of Standards and Technology, called for an independent inquiry into NIST's investigation of the collapse of the twin towers.

Quintiere said NIST's conclusions were "questionable", that they failed to follow standard scientific procedures and that their failure to address Building 7 belied the fact that the investigation was incomplete.
 
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this is one of my faves

this is one of my faves

tell me how the fbi matched the dna then if they arent sure who they caught



FBI Denies Mix-Up Of 9/11 Terrorists


By Timothy W. Maier


FBI Director Mueller acknowledged in 2002 there was no legal proof to prove the identities of the hijackers. Yet the bureau insists it correctly has identified them.

Nearly 48 hours after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, the names of the hijackers flashed across TV screens for the world to see. Based on intelligence information gained from interviews, witnesses, flight-manifest logs and passports found at some of the crash debris sites, the FBI claimed it correctly had identified all 18 hijackers. A short time later the number was amended to 19. A few days later the names were followed with photos of the men blamed for the terrorism that claimed nearly 3,000 lives in New York City, Washington and Pennsylvania. Incredibly fast intelligence work - some of the information coming from the National Ground Intelligence Center in Charlottesville, Va. - enabled investigators to tie the attack to Osama bin Laden's al-Qaeda network.

While there is no doubt the hijackings were the work of al-Qaeda, questions remain about whether some of the hijackers actually were the men the FBI identified. Last year that doubt crept into the highest levels of law enforcement after a series of sensational news reports aired by the BBC, ABC and CNN, along with several British newspapers, cast suspicion on whether the FBI got it right. The reports suggested at least six of the men the FBI claimed were hijackers on the planes were in fact alive. They didn't survive the crashes, of course, but never boarded the planes.

The six claimed they were victims of identify theft. They were "outraged" to be identified as terrorists, they told the Telegraph of London. In fact, one of the men claimed he never had been to the United States, while another is a Saudi Airlines pilot who said he was in a flight-training course in Tunisia at the time of the attacks.

The stunning news prompted FBI Director Robert Mueller to admit that some of the hijackers may have stolen identities of innocent citizens. In September 2002, Mueller told CNN twice that there is "no legal proof to prove the identities of the suicidal hijackers." After that admission a strange thing happened - nothing. No follow-up stories. No follow-up questions. There was dead silence and the story disappeared. It was almost as if no one wanted to know what had happened. In fact, the FBI didn't bother to change the names, backgrounds or photographs of the alleged 19 hijackers. It didn't even deny the news reports suggesting that the names and identities of at least six of the hijackers may be unknown. Mueller just left the door open.

Until now. Now the FBI is sticking with its original story - regardless of whether photographs displayed of the suspected Sept. 11 terrorists were of people who never boarded those planes and are very much alive. FBI spokesman Bill Carter simply brushes off as false the charges from news reports that the FBI misidentified some of the Sept. 11 terrorists. Carter says they got the names right and it doesn't matter whether the identities were stolen. This comes as a complete about-face from Mueller's comment that there might be some question about the names of the Sept. 11 terrorists because they might have been operating under stolen identities.

What does the FBI director think now? Mueller no longer is commenting on the charges. However, Carter insists the FBI got it right. End of story.

"There has been no change in thought about the identities of those who boarded those planes," Carter tells Insight. "It's like saying my name is John Smith. There are a lot of people with the name of John Smith, but they're not the same person."

What about Mueller's comments last year? "He might have told Congress [about the identity theft], but we have done a thorough investigation and we are confident," Carter says.

How can the FBI be sure that the 19 men it "identified" are indeed the hijackers? "Through extensive investigation," Carter insists. "We checked the flight manifests, their whereabouts in this country, and we interviewed witnesses who identified the hijackers."

But the series of stories last year prompted the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence to investigate the claims, according to Paul Anderson, spokesman for Sen. Bob Graham (D-Fla.), who was chairman of the committee. Anderson says the committee apparently found nothing to dispute the FBI identification of the 19 named individuals.

But confusion remains, particularly for those who claim their names and backgrounds have been attached to a photo of a dead terrorist. The photo might be correct, they say, but the identification is not. The Saudi Arabian Embassy insists that some innocents have been maligned by a rush to identify the Sept. 11 perpetrators.
 

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Permit me to pose one BIG question

Permit me to pose one BIG question

all of you that wont buy into the truth, let me ask you this one simple question ....


if 50 per cent of the people in the USA believe the gov. either had prior knowledge or made this henious act happen, then why wouldnt Hollywood pump out one single script from the perspective of the TRUTH seekers ... if you guys ever even see a TV drama program delving deep into the obvious evidence that frames the government, let me know ....

outside of the usa, we are laughed at for being so gullible ... europeans know the truth of 911; are we too close to the forest ....

they have made movies with pauley shore, ISHTAR, HEAVEN'S GATE, the parakeets of telegraph hill, and the attack of the killer tomatoes for crying out loud ...

when has hollywood balked at making 500 million, bc you throw in harrison ford as prosecution and anthony hopkins for the defense and bring in the middle east intrigue and white house deceit, toss in some sex and assassins murders, even you gatekeepers for the 'official version' couldnt deny this would make a bundle ...

so why arent they doing it ... they made the propaganda flight 93 film about the myth of todd beamer, and ollie stone's yawner with nicholas cage ... but something that a nation could sink its teeth into on both sides, and spark debate forever--ask yourself why its not happening ...

you sheep bleat 'why isnt the press talking' if what the movement contends is true... isnt it obvious, they are paid off, hushed up and/or threatened with job security or worse ... many of the firemen and cops have admitted they have been gagged ... some brave ones like sgt. matthew tartaglia have spoken out and lost their medical benefits, and he is dying as i type ... talking about a true hero

so thats my question, why wont hollywood touch this subject ... you tell me:shrug:

i know why, and i know mav and several others do to ...
 

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new film overwhelming evidence

new film overwhelming evidence

http://wtcdemolition.blogspot.com/


scroll down to the vid part way down the page on the left ... tell me there werent explosives planted in those towers .... if this film is true, which i dont see any reasons why it's not, it's the best evidence yet
 

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this is a long frigtening read

this is a long frigtening read

even after all this time, theres a rage in my gut for the murderers who planned this in our government, and tremendous sorrow for those they despicably sacrificed ... read this horrendous truth ... if you want the links to the below, enter the link in my previous post ... this is prob the most detailed and gruesome post i have found on 9-11 ... people like judge flippantly wonder why im doing this and make snide jokes ... my question to him is, why doesnt he care ... thanks to all that do ... you honor the dead and hopefully some day we can help in some small way to make our own amazingly evil and lying government pay ...


Friday, August 24, 2007

Brief Evidence of Nuclear bombs used at the WTC on 9/11/01

-- the proven existence of mini-nukes and micro-nukes

-- massive outward explosions as seen in videos of the towers' "collapses"

-- the vaporization of a large steel press in the WTC basement

-- the wrinkling into ?foil? of a steel/concrete door

-- the spherical blast wave destruction

-- the ?nuclear meteorite? (a chunk of WTC debris with 4 floors fused together)

-- the feeling of heat without fire of numerous witnesses

-- the burned or hanging skin (Felipe David), without fire, like so many Hiroshima victims

-- the responders? teeth later falling out (Tartaglia), like numerous American Army A-Bomb test veterans/victims

-- the missing, presumably vaporized, building contents

-- the missing, presumably vaporized 1157 people, unaccounted for at Ground Zero

-- the massive evidence of the China Syndrome of resultant nuclear reacting fragments causing the very high heat and molten steel witnessed (and photographed) by so many firefighter and responders at least six months after 9/11

-- the clothing discarding from rescue workers

-- the decontamination procedures of rescue workers

-- EMT Ondrovic?s account of Electromagnetic Pulse and instantaneous resultant car fire, and the door exploding into her as WTC 5,6, were being exploded from within, near her (explained here)

-- the micro- or nano-fine particle debris/dust size

-- much more, all indicate the federal regime set off numerous mini-nuclear bombs in the WTC on 9/11.



The witnesses for nukes that my articles have cited, included:

-- numerous WTC workers, including Felipe David,

-- numerous firefighters, including Bronx firefighter Joe O?Toole

-- EMT worker Patricia Ondrovic

-- numerous first responders, including Sgt. Matthew Tartaglia

-- WTC stationary engineer Pecoraro

-- fire engineering professor Dr. Barnett

-- top British and American Structural Engineers including Keith Eaton, PhD who were shown ?secret? molten steel photos denied to the rest of us

-- Leslie E. Robertson, {American] Structural Engineer (and partial designer of WTC)

-- Kenneth Holden NYC Commissioner

-- Thomas von Essen, NYC Fire Commissioner

-- policeman: many (or the vast majority of the 503 who were found)

-- other on-scene witnesses have?- for the moment?likely have been silenced, as detailed herein?- which is witness tampering, and worse.



Scientific data have also been cited, including ?

-- AVIRIS,

-- LIDAR,

-- seismic readings before ?collapse?,

-- Tritium finding (UCAL/Berkeley, and subsequent Tahil study)

-- the now exploding number of ?rare? CANCERS among responders, including thyroid, leukemia, and lymph cancer?all common among radiation victims

posted by spooked @ 7:48 AM

More Evidence & Testimony Indicating Nuclear Blasts, Nuclear Radiation, & China Syndrome at the WTC

By The Anonymous Physicist

Sgt. Matthew Tartaglia, a WTC responder, rescue worker, counselor, and FEMA consultant has made many remarkable statements related to the nuking of the WTC, and its China Syndrome aftermath.

Tartaglia, said he believes ?tactical nukes? took down the towers, and was responsible for the high temperatures weeks and months later (but does not know of the existence of the China Syndrome.) His statements include these: ??There were only certain parts of the site that you could not legally leave without going through decontamination.?They would tackle you and take your camera away. I watched people be tackled.? Most responders couldn?t go ?down in the garages?The rescue people ? when our clothes got so contaminated, we were told not to bring our clothes off that site. Don?t wear anything on the site you?re not prepared to leave there because it?s contaminated.? Note that ?discarding clothing?, and ?going through decontamination? are standard nuclear industry methods of dealing with radiation-exposed individuals. I do not know if other industries necessitate the use of these methods as well.

In 2005, Sgt. Tartaglia said, ?My teeth are falling out.? Like hanging skin resulting from a nuclear bomb, teeth falling out is a common symptom, months or years later, from nuclear radiation exposure. (Other factors can also possibly cause this, but are less likely.) Read about this Army veteran sent to Hiroshima, just days after it was nuked, to bulldoze roads. This was apparently much too soon to send Americans in to Hiroshima, but the PTB apparently cared as much about Americans, as they did about the Japanese women and children who were nuked. I note that after the July 16, 1945 Trinity ?A-Bomb? test, Dr. J. Robert Oppenheimer and General Leslie Groves did not return to Ground Zero until five weeks later on Sept 11, 1945. Yes, there is 9/11 again. So man did not walk again on the first alleged Ground Zero which resulted from the ?Manhattan Project? until 9/11/45. Also read here about 3 veterans of atomic bomb tests in Nevada in the 1950?s who had their teeth fall out within a few years of their radiation exposure. [To quickly find the 3 veterans cited, search on ?teeth.?] That article also indicates that the gov?t lied to them as to the amount of radiation they had received. It is excerpted from the book, ?They Never Knew: The Victims of Atomic Testing?, [not read here] by Glenn Alan Cheney. See also ?The Plutonium Files? by Welsome, and the two books on the ?Making of the A-Bomb?, and the H-Bomb, ?Dark Sun?, both by Rhodes--all three read here.

But please read this (portions of the book, They Never Knew) in its entirety. It includes the following remarkable quote that may be very relevant to 9/11 research. A whistleblower came forward decades later about the actual radiation exposure Army personnel were subjected to. ?In 1982, a former Army medic, Van R. Brandon, admitted that he had been ordered to keep two sets of books. "One set was to show that no one received an exposure above the approved dosimeter reading," he said. "The other set of books was to show what the actual reading was. That set of books was brought in a locked briefcase attached to [an officer]'s wrist by a set of handcuffs every morning." Army personnel were denied medical benefits and disability because the regime publicly used the ?cooked? book. Do you think this same govt has gotten more or less evil, corrupt, and duplicitous, in the ensuing decades--and in a matter that relates to possibly irradiating tens of thousands of WTC workers, responders, and near-by residents.

The statements made by Mike Pecoraro, a WTC1 stationary engineer, and 9/11 survivor, are also remarkable. Pecoraro first knew something was wrong after observing flickering lights (EMP?), and then he ascended to the sub-basement C level, from below. He says, "There was nothing there but rubble, we're talking about a 50 ton hydraulic press gone!" Pecoraro and a co-worker ?made their way to the parking garage, but found that it, too, was gone?? As they ascended to the B Level, one floor above, they ?were astonished to see a steel and concrete fire door that weighed about 300 pounds, wrinkled up like a piece of aluminum foil" and lying on the floor. Now I assert that this too is a likely sign that a nuclear bomb went off. Perhaps only the multi-million degree temperature at the hypocenter, or neutron bombardment, is capable of doing that to that heavy steel door. The article continues: ?"They got us again,"? Mike told his co-worker, referring to the terrorist attack at the center in 1993. Having been through that bombing, Mike recalled seeing similar things happen to the building's structure.? This last statement from Pecoraro, I assert may be corroboration of nuclear engineer/geologist Phil Schneider?s statement that his inspection of the 1993 WTC explosion damage revealed to him that it was a nuclear blast, that may have gone awry, that is, was insufficient. (See my previous articles at wtcdemolition.blogspot.com.) Pecoraro states that as WTC2 ?collapsed,? ?there was a wind that came through the revolving doors that blew me [in the WTC1 lobby area] 100 feet to the far wall? Was this a nuclear pressure blast? You?ve probably seen the videos of A-bomb test sites, and resultant winds blowing down model houses, and heat causing fires. Like this and this.

More evidence of the likely nuking of the WTC, and China Syndrome aftermath, comes from no less than CNN?s Larry King Show. This show aired on 10/6/01, and was taped at the WTC, and a nearby burn unit, in the days prior to the air-date. The transcript is here.

Regarding the likely China Syndrome of high heat three weeks later, Thomas Von Essen, NYC Fire Commissioner, says, at the WTC, ??it's so hot, it's a really hot fire. The steel has been hot for three weeks now. Tremendous heat below, you know. It's -- the fire is not out down below.? From my earlier articles, you know that this went on for at least six months after 9/11.

At the Weill Burn Center at the Cornell Medical Hospital, Larry King interviews two women who received burns?without any fire--while trying to flee WTC1.

King: ?So, did you know you were on fire, in a sense??

Yang: ?No, I wasn't on fire, I think it was from the heat.?

Mary Jo: ?That's what we were told, it was the heat.?

So like Felipe David, like the Hiroshima survivors, these two women have no clue as to why their skin was burned. And who told them ?it was from the heat?? And if it was the doctors, who told them to say this to the patients? Note that King says ??fire in a sense.? I assert that that sense is not fire per se, but bombardment by radiation (thermal rays, gamma rays, neutrons) that can cause heat at the skin, and damage the skin--if the flux is large enough (relevant parameters include distance, shielding, intensity and type of radiation).

King also interviews burn victim Brian Reeves, a security guard starting his rounds in the lobby of one of the towers. Reeves says: ?I don't know when I got burned, but I just know when it knocked me over, there was -- there was something, the windows blew out. And when the windows blew out, I was on the ground, and like I said, there was a gust of wind. And when I opened my eyes, I seen a bright orange light.? Reeves, feeling heat on his back, takes his jacket off and falls on the ground while fleeing. There is the issue of whether his jacket is on fire or not. [Months later, the media would morph the ?bright orange light? into ?fireball.?] We must ask, did Reeves see the flash of, and receive the radiation, and air pressure blast from, a mini-nuke? Like the Hiroshima victims, he knows there had to be ?something? but he/they didn?t see what burned him/them. In this video, months after 9/11, Reeves then says ?the fire was this close to my face? (and holds his hand near his face). He did not say any such thing 2-3 weeks after 9/11, when interviewed by King.

Getting back to the King show, Dr. Roger Yurt of the Weill Burn Center says, ?[Reeve?s] worst burns were on his back, some burns up on his head. Burns on your arms also.? My possible interpretation is the following. Likely his jacket was not on fire (note the burns on his head), and the jacket likely shielded him from receiving even more radiation! The source of which was apparently behind him, as his burns were mostly on his back, but also on his head. But if the flux of radiation is high enough, a person and/or their clothes will catch fire from the radiation. Many Hiroshima victims were immediately killed and left in a charred state. The ?bright orange flash? he ?saw? may well have been a flux of radiation onto his retina. This kind of thing is again known from Army veterans of the nuclear blasts in Nevada in the 1950?s. In the worst cases, numerous Army personnel were forced to be, in ditches, only a football field away from an atomic bomb going off!

But when Brian tells his story months later, the reporter adds ?fireball? several times in her telling the story. Even the direction of the alleged fireball is cleverly, and falsely, inserted: ?? a fireball that roared down the elevator shaft.? In actuality, from numerous lobby, and sub-basement witnesses, a non-fireball, a likely nuclear detonation, occurred below the lobby, and its effects traveled UP a few floors?and not down some 80-90 floors from the likely conventional explosion above. In any case, Reeves did not observe what may, or may not, have been traversing the elevator shaft. It appears that in the telling of the 9/11 survivors? accounts, the MSM, and the 911 pseudo-truth media, are doing everything they can to add ?fire? and ?fireball? to the later retelling of numerous survivors? tales. And these survivors, who did not report ?fire? initially, and not knowing about such things as radiation-induced burns?without any fire?may later start including this in their own accounts, after doctors, or reporters, or hidden (or not so hidden) handlers either keep repeating the ?fire? and ?fireball? memes to them; or perhaps in some cases threatening/rewarding the survivors to start telling it the way their handlers demand. Never forget how FBI, or secret service agents, both on the scene in Dallas and later during depositions, threatened eyewitnesses to President Kennedy?s assassination, if they either said they clearly saw the Secret Service driver do it, or that there also were shots from the grassy knoll. Experts in eyewitness testimony tell us that the most accurate account is the closest in time to the event.

Remember how sub-basement, 9/11 burn victim Felipe David?s own accounting never mentions ?fire? or ?fireball,? but his alleged rescuer, William Rodriquez added fire or fireball to his accounting of David?s experiences. You will have to be the judge after reading survivors? accounts shortly after the event, and then months later after media/(govt?) interviews. This is a crucial point in the likely tampering of witnesses to a heinous crime. It is particularly odious as this may be ongoing from deep-cover intel assets in the major, AND internet ?truth?, media. But if the government/media had nothing to fear, or cover-up, why do they have to change so many burn victims? testimonies? Likewise they are frequently inserting ?plane hits? into statements, when the witness couldn?t possibly have seen that, even if the plane hits were real, instead of CGI.

I believe we are only scratching the surface regarding evidence of the use of mini-nukes on 9/11. Many fire and police witnesses fear losing their jobs, or their pensions. Beginning a month after 9/11, NYC Fire Commissioner von Essen?s office took depositions of 503 fire personnel, port authority police and EMT first responders. The report is 12,000 pages long and rarely read [and not read here]. It was deliberately excluded from the 911 Commission, and NIST, reports (scroll down at link). Could they be hiding evidence, not of the widely known explosions/controlled demolition, but specifically of the nuking of the towers and 3000 people? After von Essen?s 503 witness interviews, former CIA director Robert Woolsey, was inserted into this in 2002, as the NYC Fire Department's ?Anti-terrorism Consultant.? (It?s interesting that Wikipedia omits this job in his bio.) He issued a gag order, under threat of job loss and worse, down the ranks, under the guise of ?anti-terrorism.? This report is the one that includes EMT, Patricia Ondrovic? [See my articles on her here] heavily redacted, but remarkable interview. Recall my analysis demonstrated she witnessed Electromagnetic Pulse from a nuclear bomb causing flickering lights and making cars catch fire, for no apparent reason (?toasted cars?), right near her, and also jets shooting down other jets in the sky over the Hudson. Was Woolsey in charge of the redacting, of her, and other, testimony? I make the assertion that the very purpose of interviewing these 503 9/11 witnesses and responders was to find out who had witnessed evidence of the nuking of the WTC, and to then threaten, and silence them! Perhaps too many to kill, so first try to silence them! Here are the full 503 interviews. It would be good if some real 911 researcher could read them all or search for when portions are redacted. Note my scanning them indicates that numerous witnesses report ?explosions;? this was not reason enough for redaction!

There is other eyewitness (or should I say skinwitness) evidence, I believe of the heat, and radiation, wave which emanates outwards from a nuclear blast from numerous people who happened to be in the vicinity of the towers. This article states that ?John Axisa, who was getting off a commuter train to the World Trade Center, ?[after the alleged first plane hit]? Then there was a second explosion, and he felt heat on the back of [his] neck.? Note the timing of the ?second? explosion he heard--nothing from which was seen exiting the building--and yet he felt the heat at that exact time! This again could only be from a nuke, I assert. (The DEW hangout theorists always say their alleged DEW is cold.) Also at a 911 forum, a forum administrator named Quest noted that, ?I have an acquaintance who was a NYC cop on 9/11 when the second tower came down. He was 3 blocks away and told me there was "incredible heat" during the "collapse".? Heat indeed is the thing that would be felt furthest out from a nuclear blast. Read this account of physicist, Dr. Phillip Morrison 10 miles from the Trinity nuclear test site. He said, "Suddenly, not only was there a bright light, but where we were, 10 miles away, there was the heat of the sun on our faces.? [This was before the Sun came up.] So we see the similarity of statements, regarding heat during a nuclear blast, made by the Trinity witness, John Axisa, Quest?s policeman, Felipe David, and the three burn victims interviewed by Larry King. I have written that the nukes used on 9/11 were 1/100th to 1/1000th (each) of the intensity of the Trinity blast (with several per tower used, and only one per smaller WTC buildings) and we also have some shielding by the building. So the distance that radiation would be able to propagate would be vastly less than the 10 miles felt by Dr. Morrison (noted above), where the test was in the open air. Those in the towers, and nearby, would indeed be bombarded by the (unseen) radiation from a mini-nuke. Given these ideas from this physicist, who has taught physics at several universities, can Quest please further interview his cop friend, and get back to us here at comments, or via email to Spooked?

There has been at least one study published of WTC responders? medical problems treated on scene, from 9/14/01 to 11/20/1, at the WTC. This was published in May-June, 2005, of ?Prehospital and Disaster Medicine,? and was authored by: K.R. Peritt, W.L. Boal, and ?The Helix Group, Inc.? This third ?author? listed is a media corporation. (I did not know that corporations, per se, could now be authors?) This study related to a 10 week period whereby a Federal govt agency, the ?United States Public Health Service (USPHS), deployed Disaster Medical Assistance Teams (DMATs) and the Commissioned Corps to provide on-site, primary medical care to anyone who presented.? The authors conclusion admits, the ?USPHS visits probably were skewed to milder complaints when compared to analyses of employer medical department reports or hospital cases?? This appears to mean that the more serious cases went straight to the hospital. There were 9,349 on-site patient visits, which included some surrounding residents. There were 30 cases of nausea and vomiting. Let us look at skin conditions reported. There were 253 1st or 2nd degree burns, of which 107 (42%) were said to be related to equipment use. There is no word on what caused the other 58% of these burns. In addition, there are 132 cases of ?other? skin problems reported. There is not a single case of third degree burns (the most serious), and no comment on this lack! Were there people with more serious burns that went straight to the hospital, and thus are not counted? There are some curious statistics: ?Other injury or illness: 696 cases,? and ?Not classifiable as an injury or illness: 920 cases.? That?s quite a lot of cases that are either ?other? or ?not classifiable,? about 17%. Why such a high percentage? They?re not ?psychological? because they reported 78 cases of this. Is any medical condition being covered up? Did they test for radiation which is not mentioned? And what caused the 146 cases of burns that were not due to equipment handling? And how many people had third degree burns among the responders? Or is this classified information, related to what really was happening at the WTC, even after its demolition? This study is very troubling, and looks very ?doctored.?

In conclusion now, this article, and my previous articles archived at wtcdemolition.blogspot.com and wtc-ChinaSyndrome.blogspot.com indicate the following. The proven existence of mini-nukes and micro-nukes , the massive outward explosions seen, the vaporization of a steel press, the wrinkling into ?foil? of a steel door, spherical blast wave destruction, the ?nuclear meteorite,[parts of 4 storeys fused together at extreme temp.,]? the feeling of heat without fire of numerous witnesses, the burned or hanging skin--without fire, the responders? teeth later falling out, the vaporized building contents, the 1157 vaporized people, the massive evidence of the China Syndrome of resultant nuclear reacting fragments causing the very high heat and molten steel witnessed by many at least six months after 9/11, and photographed, the clothing discarding, and decontamination procedures, my detailed explanation of Ondrovic? account of Electromagnetic Pulse and resultant car fire, and the door exploding into her as WTC 5, 6, were being exploded from within, near her, the micro- or nano-fine particle size, and much more, all indicate the federal regime set off numerous mini-nuclear bombs in the WTC on 9/11. The witnesses that my articles have cited, included numerous WTC workers, numerous firefighters, EMT worker, responders, stationary engineer, fire engineering professor, top British and American Structural Engineers who have been shown ?secret? photos denied to the rest of us, NYC Commissioner, NYC Fire Commissioner, policeman, and others. Many (or the vast majority of the 503 who were found) other on-scene witnesses have?for the moment?likely been silenced, as detailed herein?which is witness tampering, and worse. Scientific data have also been cited, including ?AVIRIS, LIDAR, seismic readings before ?collapse?, Tritium finding (UCAL/Berkeley, and subsequent Tahil study), and the now exploding number of ?rare? cancers among responders, including thyroid, leukemia, and lymph cancer?all common among radiation victims. Other data, I have asserted has been altered, or is totally hidden--second long-delayed AVIRIS data set, and the lack of any further AVIRIS released.

I assert and accuse? J?Accuse??that the preponderance of this evidence demonstrates that the federal government of the United States of America did explode nuclear bombs inside most of the WTC buildings on 9/11/01. Furthermore, there was a resultant China Syndrome (through mechanisms detailed here by me previously) of nuclear reacting fragments releasing ionizing radiation, and high heat, for at least six months after 9/11, causing molten steel, and radiation exposure to thousands of responders and NYC residents. This was an act of treason, conspiracy, mass murder, genocide, and a ruse for waging war on innocent peoples around the world?crimes against humanity, and a ruse for blatantly eradicating American citizens freedoms and rights. The 9/11 WTC nuclear holocaust was not likely even the first time the American regime did this to its own citizens! Too few people know of this research into the American government?s probable nuking of American sailors in 1944.

The 9/11 perpetrators have used, and are using, limited hangouts and psyops to keep the people from knowing this. These hangouts, ultimately from the U.S. regime?s ?intelligence? agencies, include the bogus ?theories? of the official planes/fuel/gravity/pancaking nonsense, and also thermite, DEW, and Depleted Uranium [D.U.] (any uranium used on 9/11 at the WTC, and the China Syndrome aftermath, would have been highly enriched, not depleted). The observed American military helicopters and planes directing the initial explosions, and the final nuclear destruction prove that this was not done by Arabs, Muslims, Iranians, Israelis, Russians, or Chinese. As with the Kennedy Assassination, this massive set of actions, and massive cover-up, could only have been perpetrated by the so-called government of the United States, and not by any small ?rogue elements? therein. Complicit in the original act, and/or its cover-up, are all the branches of the federal government, its military, and intelligence agencies, and the Main Stream Media, and even much of the so-called alternative or internet media which is also laden with intel agents posing as ?truthers,? while pushing the hangouts listed above. The people of the world must get together, in what may be their final hour, and act literally to save themselves from extermination, from the handful of monsters that control humanity. Nature has demonstrated that individuals trained to be fearful can all come together, and overcome this fear, and act and defeat the small number who had previously seemed to be so invincible and bloodthirsty. We are indeed likewise in the jaws of these monsters, and have been for a long time; but likewise again, it is still possible to break free, and be free. We must try. Like this last video, there are so many more of us, than of them.
 

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many witnesses to molten steel; gov. lies as usual

many witnesses to molten steel; gov. lies as usual




In the weeks and months after 9/11, numerous individuals report seeing molten metal in the remains of the World Trade Center:

Ken Holden, who is involved with the organizing of demolition, excavation and debris removal operations at Ground Zero, later will tell the 9/11 Commission, ?Underground, it was still so hot that molten metal dripped down the sides of the wall from [WTC] Building 6.? [9/11 Commission, 4/1/2003]

William Langewiesche, the only journalist to have unrestricted access to Ground Zero during the cleanup operation, describes, ?in the early days, the streams of molten metal that leaked from the hot cores and flowed down broken walls inside the foundation hole.? [Langewiesche, 2002, pp. 32]

Leslie Robertson, the structural engineer responsible for the design of the WTC, describes fires still burning and molten steel still running 21 days after the attacks. [SEAU News, 10/2001 ]

Alison Geyh, who heads a team of scientists studying the potential health effects of 9/11, reports, ?Fires are still actively burning and the smoke is very intense. In some pockets now being uncovered, they are finding molten steel.? [Johns Hopkins Public Health Magazine, 2001]

Ron Burger, a public health advisor who arrives at Ground Zero on September 12, says that ?feeling the heat? and ?seeing the molten steel? there reminds him of a volcano. [National Environmental Health Association, 9/2003, pp. 40 ]

According to a member of New York Air National Guard?s 109th Air Wing, who is at Ground Zero from September 22 to October 6, ?One fireman told us that there was still molten steel at the heart of the towers? remains. Firemen sprayed water to cool the debris down but the heat remained intense enough at the surface to melt their boots.? [National Guard Magazine, 12/2001]

New York firefighters recall ?heat so intense they encountered rivers of molten steel.? [New York Post, 3/3/2004]

As late as five months after the attacks, in February 2002, firefighter Joe O?Toole sees a steel beam being lifted from deep underground at Ground Zero, which, he says, ?was dripping from the molten steel.? [Knight Ridder, 5/29/2002]

There is no mention whatsoever of the molten metal in the official reports by FEMA, NIST, or the 9/11 Commission. [Federal Emergency Management Agency, 5/1/2002; 9/11 Commission, 7/24/2004; National Institute of Standards and Technology, 9/2005 ]

But Dr. Frank Gayle, who leads the steel forensics aspects of NIST?s investigation of the WTC collapses, is quoted as saying, ?Your gut reaction would be the jet fuel is what made the fire so very intense, a lot of people figured that?s what melted the steel. Indeed it didn?t, the steel did not melt.? [ABC News 7 (New York), 2/7/2004]

As well as the reports of molten metal, data collected by NASA in the days after 9/11 finds dozens of ?hot spots? (some over 1300 degrees) at Ground Zero (see September 16-23, 2001).
 
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if 50 per cent of the people in the USA believe the gov. either had prior knowledge or made this henious act happen, then why wouldnt Hollywood pump out one single script from the perspective of the TRUTH seekers ... if you guys ever even see a TV drama program delving deep into the obvious evidence that frames the government, let me know ....

Are the government and the media on the same side? Are they members of the same family? Do they share interests that directly oppose the people's?

they have made movies with pauley shore, ISHTAR, HEAVEN'S GATE, the parakeets of telegraph hill, and the attack of the killer tomatoes for crying out loud ...

True!

when has hollywood balked at making 500 million, bc you throw in harrison ford as prosecution and anthony hopkins for the defense and bring in the middle east intrigue and white house deceit, toss in some sex and assassins murders, even you gatekeepers for the 'official version' couldnt deny this would make a bundle ...

Balked at making 500m? They balked at making one billion - Mel Gibson's "Passion." Not only would they not produce it, they did everything they could to undermine it. Why?

so why arent they doing it ... they made the propaganda flight 93 film about the myth of todd beamer, and ollie stone's yawner with nicholas cage ... but something that a nation could sink its teeth into on both sides, and spark debate forever--ask yourself why its not happening ...

The government and the media seem to share an interest in preventing the people from learning the truth...not just about 9/11, but about a whole range of subjects.
 

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hey niederton,

ur exactly right on mel's PASSION, glad you brought it up, perfect analogy ... you are getting very warm why hollywood doesnt want to touch this subject:scared

now add 2 and 2

good work,
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You know what bothers me about almost every 'truth' video I have seen, the music. They completely undermine themselves sometimes with that crap.

You feel that way Gregg? It's like you're watching Friday The 13th.
 
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yeah they try to combat the offical version's stars and stripes mood music ...

but what did you think of the explosives popping out of the roof along with hearing it
 

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yeah they try to combat the offical version's stars and stripes mood music ...

but what did you think of the explosives popping out of the roof along with hearing it

I mean it is interesting, but my mind has been made up about that for a long time. It's just more info that supports my belief. Who is dumb enough to believe those buildings fell in an hour due to fire?:SIB
 

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OK here I am .

I know I am way behind and I still havnt read everything.

So what you are saying is Atta and the boys flew the planes into WTC . That we know. That was the al quada part

We saw the planes hit.

We saw them die for their cause.

So what you are saying is at the same time, the US Gov knew about this before hand, planted explosives in the bldg. and brought down the towers killing american citizens.

So for oil the goverment carried out this attack hand in hand with Bin Laden so they could get control of the oil in Iraq. And the US never has to worry about oil again ? :shrug:

why not just go into alaska and pump our own millions a day ? It just dont make sense.

And my final thought, is that I am a welder.

You can hand me a piece of steel whatever thickness you want. I will take my welding rods
and burn a hole in the steel in less than five minutes. The rods burn at 1800 degrees f.

So it is easy for me to believe that jet fuel burning at the rate it was , would have burned through the steel beams and taken the buildings down.

Geez Louise.
 

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you guys dont even have answers to this simple stuff ? :shrug:

where the fawk are you when its time to step up to the plate with some answers instead of your pussy videos.
 
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