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yeh that is true
I try to discuss stuff with Ronnie
pity really
ALL TROOPS OUT OF IRAQ...
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yeh that is true
I try to discuss stuff with Ronnie
pity really
Sen. John McCain of Arizona, the ranking Republican on the Senate Armed Services Committee, assailed the U.S. withdrawal.
Speaking from Jordan, McCain complained that the withdrawal plan "is viewed in the region as a victory for the Iranians. And I don't think there's any doubt there is." He added, "I'm very, very concerned about increased Iranian influence in Iraq."
"I think the fact that we have other bases in the region would have very little impact on Iraq itself," McCain said.
He cited Muqtada al-Sadr, the influential Iraqi Shiite cleric, as a potential conduit for Iranian influence, and said he believes Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki is "leaning more and more toward alliances" with Iran.:scared
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Speaking from Jordan, McCain complained that the withdrawal plan "is viewed in the region as a victory for the Iranians. And I don't think there's any doubt there is." He added, "I'm very, very concerned about increased Iranian influence in Iraq."
"I think the fact that we have other bases in the region would have very little impact on Iraq itself," McCain said.
He cited Muqtada al-Sadr, the influential Iraqi Shiite cleric, as a potential conduit for Iranian influence, and said he believes Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki is "leaning more and more toward alliances" with Iran.:scared
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Way i see it Chad you are the one that alluded the link you spoke of and provided mine.
--let me hekp you out with that link on that credit you said O gave--that you can't seem to locate --
http://news.yahoo.com/obama-warm-scientists-cold-soldiers-215053300.html
Obama warm to scientists, cold to soldiers
The president?s tone was markedly different as he announced the troop withdrawal, focusing more on regret than on victories won.
?As a candidate for president, I pledged to bring the war to a responsible end ? After nearly nine years, America?s war in Iraq will be over,? he said at the start of his brief, flat-toned presentation. ?There will be some difficult days ahead for Iraq ? Here at home, the coming months will be another season of homecomings.?
It?s important to recognize that work, and to help make it easier for inventors and innovators like them to bring their work from the lab to the marketplace and create jobs,? Obama beamed.
Instead of providing similar praise for the accomplishments of U.S. troops, however, Obama emphasized their suffering. ?This December will be a time to reflect on all that we?ve been though in this war,? he said, not to celebrate the campaign?s accomplishments.
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Obama did not mention Iraq?s deposed dictator, Saddam Hussein, nor the success of seeing democratic elections, nor the emergence of the long-suppressed Shia majority, nor the U.S. military?s remarkable victory against the coalition of Hussein?s die-hards, Sunni tribes, Iranian gunmen and Syrian-aided Islamist suicide bombers.
During his brief appearance, Obama did not mention al-Qaida?s strategic defeat in Iraq, coming as a result of Arabs? collective recoil from Islamists? suicide bombings aimed at other Arabs in Iraq?s cities and towns.
Despite growing opposition from ordinary Arabs and Muslims, al-Qaida used those shocking tactics because it believed that Bush?s plan to establish democracy in Iraq would be an ideological defeat of its core belief that the Arab world should be ruled by a Baghdad-based Muslim theocratic dictator ? dubbed the caliph.
The most important and serious issue today for the whole world is this Third World War, which the Crusader-Zionist coalition began against the Islamic nation,? said a 2004 message from Osama bin Laden. That war, he said, urging Islamist gunmen to fight in Iraq, ?is raging in the land of the two rivers. The world?s millstone and pillar is in Baghdad, the capital of the caliphate.?
If I missed anything--let me know
Can think of several reasons Gary --primarily Iraq hasn't remotely established a miltary defence yet--more importantly --
I can't think think of any place on earth right now that a base could be more stategically positioned-(on border of syria and iran)
We are going to have the feet on the ground(15,000+) remain there as I noted in other thread--just not calling them troops (for obvious political reasons) we wouldn't be totally withdrawing then--would we
Ya think anything odd about that many employees for an embassy
Gee Mr. Obvious... The SOFA doesn't include private contractors like Blackwater, Halliburton & KBR, does it? DOH!!!We are going to have the feet on the ground(15,000+) remain there as I noted in other thread--just not calling them troops (for obvious political reasons) we wouldn't be totally withdrawing then--would we
Ya think anything odd about that many employees for an embassy
I enjoy responding to your posts. I don't even have to think. :142smilie
What a utterly incompetent little dweeb-no wonder you where the mask
Iraq's Government, Not Obama, Called Time on the U.S. Troop Presence
<CITE id=yui_3_3_0_1_1319452610143396 class="byline vcard">By TONY KARON | Time.com ? <ABBR id=yui_3_3_0_1_1319452610143399 title=2011-10-21T20:12:09Z>Fri, Oct 21, 2011</ABBR></CITE>Not that the U.S. will be out of the picture, by any stretch of the imagination. As things stand, the U.S. embassy in Iraq will have 17,000 employees ? including at least 5,000 "security contractors", i.e. non-uniformed military personnel. It's not hard to imagine that future training needs of the Iraqi military will be undertaken by privateers rather than under the auspices of the Pentagon. And that the CIA ? now under the command of Gen. David Petraeus, former U.S. commander in Iraq ? will play a more active role in pursuing U.S. objectives on the ground and in the neighborhood.
---and these are just the official listed
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Nothing more amusing than a pinkie from the pack--lecturing a vet on war tactics
I believe our last controversy was --days not weeks in Libya--:SIB
Would you like me to retrieve that thread??--I didn't think so.
carry on--
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Who mentioned anything about war tactics? :shrug:What a utterly incompetent little dweeb-no wonder you where the mask
Nothing more amusing than a pinkie from the pack--lecturing a vet on war tactics
I'm trying to get you to answer one simple question but you keep doing the ol'... kurby :mj08: :wall:
For the 3rd time in this thread, since you're claiming victory...
What.....the.....fuck.....did.....we....."win".....in.....Iraq???
And whatever we "won", was it worth 4500 American lives, countless Iraqi lives and $3 Trillion???
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I assume your done with the 5,000 troops fck up--right?
answer to your questions
-- what did we win? -the war
--was it worth it--that would depend on what winning it prevented in the future--which we will never be certain of--however what is certain winning was ceratainly better than alternative the dems Dems pushed for- -retreat/surrender/loss.
UBL and Hussein (Saddam) and Hussein (Barrach) said we couldn't win--don't shed too many tears because they were wrong.
Many had same question after korean war.
Time will tell.
I'd be more concerned about war in Afgan if I were you or what will happen in lybia with da brotherhood claiming Sharia law and radicals who execute prisonors now having control of weapons for sale to highest bidder.
-- I can assure you- time spent in Iraq produced many more benefits/success than Afgan can in it's best case scenerio..
answer to your questions
-- what did we win? -the war
--was it worth it--that would depend on what winning it prevented in the future--which we will never be certain of--however what is certain winning was ceratainly better than alternative the dems Dems pushed for- -retreat/surrender/loss.
UBL and Hussein (Saddam) and Hussein (Barrach) said we couldn't win--don't shed too many tears because they were wrong.
Many had same question after korean war.
Time will tell.
I'd be more concerned about war in Afgan if I were you or what will happen in lybia with da brotherhood claiming Sharia law and radicals who execute prisonors now having control of weapons for sale to highest bidder.
-- I can assure you- time spent in Iraq produced many more benefits/success than Afgan can in it's best case scenerio..
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avoided your points?????
-Here was your post I responded to
--which points weren't addressed
--in detail with numerous examples/links
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Your post
"No - it wasn't that long ago that you and others were saying the plan to get the troops out of Iraq - REALLY doing it, not just giving it lip service - was retreating and surrendering. Now, when Obama follows through with what he said he was going to do - and you and others ridiculed him for it - you and others are calling it a victory.
Amazing how perspective changes. Sad, but amazing. To your question - I thought Obama did give credit to those that deserve it in his address today - and did it very well. So, as always, not sure what you are asking for (other than somehow probably giving Bush and conservatives some kind of credit for some kind of something or other), but IMO you should have already gotten it. If not, listen to his address. Maybe it wasn't convoluted enough for some? ":shrug:
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back to troops coming home-food for thought
From many soilders perspective I would say Iraq would probably be top choice of location to serve currently?
Enhanced combat pay--no hostile patrols--indoors every night-causities less than 5 a month and bout 1/2 of them accidents.
Flip side when they are brought home many's next theatre will be afgan--hostile environment-living outdoors in rugged terrain--twice as many casualties in last 3 three years than previous 8 years combined.
Would expect many won't be looking forward leaving.
From many soilders perspective I would say Iraq would probably be top choice of location to serve currently?
Enhanced combat pay--no hostile patrols--indoors every night-causities less than 5 a month and bout 1/2 of them accidents.
Flip side when they are brought home many's next theatre will be afgan--hostile environment-living outdoors in rugged terrain--twice as many casualties in last 3 three years than previous 8 years combined.
Would expect many won't be looking forward leaving.
I'd give our all involved an A- (would have been A had egypt not cut us off) for defeat of Iraq forces.
--a D for contingent plan after victory
--and an A on tenacity after the fck up on contingency.
--Time will tell if the 2 A's make up for the D.
The failure of contingency was HUGE--but still not sure events could have been averted if they could go back after the fact. You had Sunnis-Shites and AQ all in the struggle for power--regardless they should have seen it coming--and didn't.
--a D for contingent plan after victory
--and an A on tenacity after the fck up on contingency.
--Time will tell if the 2 A's make up for the D.
The failure of contingency was HUGE--but still not sure events could have been averted if they could go back after the fact. You had Sunnis-Shites and AQ all in the struggle for power--regardless they should have seen it coming--and didn't.
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After asking the same question 3 God Damn times, all he's got is...
..."we won"...
...wait for it...
... "the war".
Are you fucking kidding me? :mj07: :mj07:
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fawk me,............. :142smilie
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You cowards that sit at home trembling over having your identities exposed- need to focus your critque on subjects you've shown experience in--
-redistribution of wealth
-gov tit
-ole whitey responsible for your failures
--entitlements etc
---and let the vets here handle those they are experienced in.
Instant messaging sure would solve prob--where you could confine your pack to one area--
but downside would be post volumn as it would alleviate your pack flying in everytime one of you get your little panties jerked down
Here they come---:lol:
-redistribution of wealth
-gov tit
-ole whitey responsible for your failures
--entitlements etc
---and let the vets here handle those they are experienced in.
Instant messaging sure would solve prob--where you could confine your pack to one area--
but downside would be post volumn as it would alleviate your pack flying in everytime one of you get your little panties jerked down
Here they come---:lol:
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You cowards that sit at home trembling over having your identities exposed- need to focus your critque on subjects you've shown experience in--
-redistribution of wealth
-gov tit
-ole whitey responsible for your failures
--entitlements etc
---and let the vets here handle those they are experienced in.
Instant messaging sure would solve prob--where you could confine your pack to one area--
but downside would be post volumn as it would alleviate your pack flying in everytime one of you get your little panties jerked down
Here they come---:lol:
You are an embarrassment to conservatives everywhere. Are you gonna answer the question or what? Is it over your head?
Every single day we get these fucking rants from a good for nothing INSURANCE SALESMAN. You need to sit yourself down and look in the mirror and realize what you do and what kind of ethics and morals you have. One day you will get yours and its not going to be pretty.
As if being a vet qualifies you to do anything but kill someone when we fucking tell you to. That was your job. Your job obviously wasn't to think or you could do a little more that restate GOP talk radio talking points like a retarded parrot.
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I find it interesting that DTB keeps getting bashed for his profession and its stated worthlessness.
Insurance is pretty worthless until you need it, huh?
I guess we should all be able to buy fire insurance when our house is already on fire?
:shrug:
Insurance is pretty worthless until you need it, huh?
I guess we should all be able to buy fire insurance when our house is already on fire?
:shrug:
