ALL TROOPS OUT OF IRAQ...

[Trampled Underfoot]

Wayne, maybe the next time this thread is brought up as a reference for whatever reason, you can take a run at my question(s).

:mj07:

 

[ssd]

I have not been following this thread but my thoughts:

It's hard to put a price on freedom.

It is estimated that Hussein killed a million or more of his people during his reign.

Was it worth another 80,000 deaths to remove him?


IMO - that is up to the Iraqi people now that they can decide their own system of government.

I am not hopeful for them. I would have rathered we sat out and watched, rather than giving them their freedom - I think had they earned it, it would be more precious to them.

What has the US gained? Only time will tell.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

Wayne, maybe the next time this thread is brought up as a reference for whatever reason, you can take a run at my question(s).

How many time you want me to answer it --go back beiginng I put up your intial question twice--and each each time you did the- err well how about---

Basically this is my prob--AGAIN see if you can grasp it-with this scenerio

When questions of how war ended comes up in your class--and little johnny gives you dates pacts were made with endless other references--just don't give him and F

-and them give sally an A because she asnswers--Because O promised us-teacher--because that's the answer like.

You got numerous links/refernces-and resources to all your questions--you just can't hear/see them when your in the ole liberal :00x7

--comprehension mode.

 

[Chadman]

I want you to answer my question just once, Wayne. Just once. With all due respect, I'd like you to answer my question, and not rephrase it or deal with it on other terms or personal opinions based on something else. But you seem to honestly think you are answering it, so there's that.

I guess I will have to deal with students not understanding my questions or avoiding them every day, so this is good practice, I guess.

For the record, I will give better grades for critical thinking and not hiding behind political views and status quo responses that aren't on point. Such as whatever you have been regurgitating through this whole thread. My question has NOTHING to do with being a liberal, it has everything to do with a factual representation of what has happened ever since the war started - and ended (if it has ended, BTW).

I stand on my points and comments, as do you. I won't bother you about this again. I think most objective folks here can see how it all played out - AND - I don't align myself with any individuals in this thread or others. I'm fine with my own posts.

One final point - AGAIN addressing one of your comments: You say: "numerous links/refernces-and resources to all your questions." I agree, you've doggedly put them up INSTEAD of answering my direct question. And you still hold those up as proving something. All it proves is that you're avoiding or missing my question. And that's enough about that. Moving on...

 

[Trench]

You gotta love liberal logic--especially from our forum trolls :lol:

You were exposed for changing identity to hide your history--now wanting to form archive to retrieve history--
You just can't make this shit up :facepalm:

Just keep digging, Dogs. That bone's gotta be down there somewhere... :142smilie

And btw...

Maybe the next time this thread is brought up as a reference for whatever reason, you can take a run at my question(s).

opcorn2

 

[Duff Miver]

Just keep digging, Dogs. That bone's gotta be down there somewhere... :142smilie

And btw...

Maybe the next time this thread is brought up as a reference for whatever reason, you can take a run at my question(s).

opcorn2

Doggie won't take a run at anyone's questions. Doggie has no answers.

 

[Trampled Underfoot]

How many time you want me to answer it --go back beiginng I put up your intial question twice--and each each time you did the- err well how about---

Basically this is my prob--AGAIN see if you can grasp it-with this scenerio

When questions of how war ended comes up in your class--and little johnny gives you dates pacts were made with endless other references--just don't give him and F

-and them give sally an A because she asnswers--Because O promised us-teacher--because that's the answer like.

You got numerous links/refernces-and resources to all your questions--you just can't hear/see them when your in the ole liberal :00x7

--comprehension mode.

What the fuck is this? Are you drunk or did you forget to run this through your office manager?

You are the poster child for education.

 

[Trampled Underfoot]

see if you can grasp it

I know one insurance salesman leech who certainly doesn't. :facepalm:

 

[bleedingpurple]

How many time you want me to answer it --go back beiginng I put up your intial question twice--and each each time you did the- err well how about---

Basically this is my prob--AGAIN see if you can grasp it-with this scenerio

When questions of how war ended comes up in your class--and little johnny gives you dates pacts were made with endless other references--just don't give him and F

-and them give sally an A because she asnswers--Because O promised us-teacher--because that's the answer like.

You got numerous links/refernces-and resources to all your questions--you just can't hear/see them when your in the ole liberal :00x7

--comprehension mode.

Why are you so against teachers? This post indicated that you severely need one. WTF kind of post is this? I guess I need a Kentucky translator!

 

[Trench]

What the fuck is this? Are you drunk or did you forget to run this through your office manager?

You are the poster child for education.

This is why he rarely posts in the afternoon and never in the evening. This thread just keeps getting better.

Have another Budweiser, Dogs. :toast:

 

[Trampled Underfoot]

This is why he rarely posts in the afternoon and never in the evening. This thread just keeps getting better.

Have another Budweiser, Dogs. :toast:

That post blew me away. After the last few years I have grown accustomed to his usual slaughtering of the language, but that was too much. A first grade teacher would have sat little doggie dogshit in the corner for that piece of literature. :mj07:

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

Chad
What question was not answered and I'll address it. I seriously don't have a clue after all your bouncing around from one to another.
I spent time researching your previous questions and providing the facts and "poof" your off to another topic or opinion.

Try again and be concise.

--then I expect answer to every reference/fact I took the time to provide.

--congrats on one issue--I believe Tramp-trench and Muffins appear to have found new mentor.

That should tell you something

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

Why are you so against teachers? This post indicated that you severely need one. WTF kind of post is this? I guess I need a Kentucky translator!

Ask your governor--:lol:





some videos--
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBMBoO8QTxw&feature=related

Was this really your govenor--hey come back here kurby
:lol:

 

[bleedingpurple]

Ask your governor--:lol:

As I have mentioned before and most know I live in Wisconsin not Minnesota but I do like Minnesota, if you want to compare education levels between Minny, wisky, or most most states to Kentucky then I am game.

As for Jesse I hear he wasn't bad at governor at all. He wanted to make positive change to politics and rid the constant back biting of repubs and dems long ago. Much of what is killing this country right now.. I would take Jesse over ANY NEOCON and most LIBS

 

[Chadman]

Chad
What question was not answered and I'll address it. I seriously don't have a clue after all your bouncing around from one to another.
I spent time researching your previous questions and providing the facts and "poof" your off to another topic or opinion.

Try again and be concise.

--then I expect answer to every reference/fact I took the time to provide.

--congrats on one issue--I believe Tramp-trench and Muffins appear to have found new mentor.

That should tell you something

I'll "try to be concise." I think I have played in your sandbox, with your tangents, and dealt with your facts. I can do so again, or for the first time, whatever. If you want me to agree that Bush set the timetable for withdrawal originally, then I can agree to that - based on the document you linked to, whatever that was. Do I think Obama is trying to score political points by reinforcing his promise (his own, personal promise - not Bush's promise that we never once heard about until this document by you) and sticking to what he said he was going to do? Yes. Do I think he is not mentioning Bush with the original document - whatever that is, again - in his speech? Right, I don't think he mentioned Bush in that speech. Do I think he's covering up or lying about anything - no, not really. I really don't see that. Hopefully I've addressed most of your points - let me know if not. Now, to my concise question, or the one I think appropriate to this discussion:

How come you've never, in all these years and all the criticism of dems and Obama for withdrawal cutting and running, posted this link? How come Bush or any republican never referenced it when ripping dems for years on this very subject, and NOW you want to give him full credit for it? Why is nobody else talking about this? Nobody?

 

[Trampled Underfoot]

I seriously don't have a clue

Finally the bullshit ends with you doggie dogshit. :0008

 

[Trampled Underfoot]

Ask your governor--:lol:





some videos--
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBMBoO8QTxw&feature=related

Was this really your govenor--hey come back here kurby
:lol:

You really burned him. :mj07: :mj07:

This is a great post within a great thread. Not only has doggie still not answered the question, as he runs around like a little good for nothing bitch, but he managed to spell governor two different ways in the same post. :mj07: :mj07: :mj07: :mj07:

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

I'll "try to be concise." I think I have played in your sandbox, with your tangents, and dealt with your facts. I can do so again, or for the first time, whatever. If you want me to agree that Bush set the timetable for withdrawal originally, then I can agree to that - based on the document you linked to, whatever that was. Do I think Obama is trying to score political points by reinforcing his promise (his own, personal promise - not Bush's promise that we never once heard about until this document by you) and sticking to what he said he was going to do? Yes. Do I think he is not mentioning Bush with the original document - whatever that is, again - in his speech? Right, I don't think he mentioned Bush in that speech. Do I think he's covering up or lying about anything - no, not really. I really don't see that. Hopefully I've addressed most of your points - let me know if not. Now, to my concise question, or the one I think appropriate to this discussion:

How come you've never, in all these years and all the criticism of dems and Obama for withdrawal cutting and running, posted this link? How come Bush or any republican never referenced it when ripping dems for years on this very subject, and NOW you want to give him full credit for it? Why is nobody else talking about this? Nobody?

I'm not sure I didn't post link--but for sake of arguement lets say I didn't.
How can anyone except a liberal suggest it was cut and run strategy when victory was already achieved.
It was (if you actually read pact) discussion of iraq and U.S. on orderly deployment of troops at "conclusion" of war.

The date was always subject to conditions at the time. GW did not want defined timeline and neither did Gumby as I pointed out--and gave both of them kudos for it--as you'll note.

Again--Where I got on Gumby's ass is when he tried to take credit for date after--
A: having nothing to do with setting it in 1st place and
B: trying to change date uo to time they would not give immunity to troops.

--and after A & B he then annouces to his lemmings that he is removing them as promised
and you all do the ole :00hour

--of course you'll note--this is just rehashing what I said ealier on question you said I haven't answered.

Your question has always been answered--you just didn't do your homework and read articles and references that were provided and elected instead to support Gumby's attempt on rewriting history because thats what you wanted to believe.

 

[Chadman]

As I'm sure we're both tired of this Wayne, I'm going to let this drop. It certainly seems to me on one hand you are wanting Bush to be given credit for establishing a withdrawal date which IS clearly stated in your document as I recall - and you want us?and Obama?to give him credit for it. Anything else is pure politics and conjecture. You go on to say that this withdrawal date is not clearly stated and was always open to debate based on the conditions in the war. So, there is an end date, and there isn't, depending on what you want to argue at the time. How very convenient and self-serving, your "argument."

So, in the latter case, there can be no clear end date, and yet you say Obama cannot take credit for pulling out the troops in any shape or form, despite there being no solid end date. You ridicule him for stating he's going to pull out the troops before the end of 2011, and then doing just that. You say he's doing that because of Bush's original document, and Bush should get credit for that. And you say he's trying to pull the wool over his follower's eyes because he's taking credit for something that Bush did. Which you now say Bush never really did, because there could never be a clear end date based on the document you post as proof of Bush establishing the original withdrawal date.

I'm sure you don't see the inconsistencies (to use a VERY nice term) of your argument, but I certainly do. And I would invite any other conservative here to chime in on this. They've been absolutely silent on this topic for some reason - and they never are, especially when it comes to Obama. Before I say this should tell you something, I'll invite any conservatives to chime in to back you up. I welcome that... by the way. But I don't expect it.

I've done plenty of homework on this, believe me. I've read your link and your posts from other sources. You try to make my points simplistic and say I'm a liberal follower to "Gumby." Far from it. Any of it. I think I see this issue clearly, and I see it as a sad, desperate attempt to ridicule Obama and give Bush credit for something that NO OTHER CONSERVATIVE, POLITICIAN, TALKING HEAD, OR WRITER HAS EVER MENTIONED BEFORE YOU. NONE. Please give me any links to someone who is giving Bush credit for establishing an end date to the Iraq war. Please show me one republican who has ripped Dems for establishing an end date (I can provide plenty of links for that - as you know) that credited Bush for already having done just that. Maybe those links exist. I'd like to see them. I never once heard anyone reference that. But then again, in the master stroke (now) you say he never really established and end date, it was always a nebulous thing. Priceless.

I do remember Obama promising to get the troops out of Iraq by the end of 2011. There are plenty of links to that. I would have ripped him had he kept the troops there. I have been against them being there all along, and I've criticized him for having them there as long as he has. I was concerned by his wavering from his original promise with some other comments, so there's that. But he made the decision, probably based on no guarantees of troop safety and protections, to withdraw the troops, as he promised. He promised it. He delivered. The reasons are arguable. The promise and follow through cannot (sensibly) be argued. Unless you are frustrated by him getting any credit for it, obviously. Which you are. I get that.

But your slippery attempt to credit Bush (while also absolving him of any responsibility for it, if necessary) and discredit Obama on this doesn't hold water with me - not that you care about that. But I'd like to see just one other person chime in on this particular subject. Maybe then it would have some validity. Until then, I stand by my observations.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

--cheers brother :toast: