BRADY..GREAT ????

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Doesn't matter if ya like the Pats and or Brady we have to appreciate his talents and the Company of GREAT QB'S that he is trying to join.

Blitz made a very honest comment today.

Brady "may" be the best ever, Don't Hate, sit back and enjoy...
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The key word being...MAY

The term best ever has to encompass a whole body of work.That body of work therefore IS NOT just based on #of SUPER BOWL VICTORIES.

The term best ever has to include the #'s posted throughout the career in regular season play.Quite naturally because it is the overwhelming % of the players accomplishments in the week to week and season to season rigors of performing at that high level.

The honest description of MAY BE by Blitz peaked by interest to see what company of QB's Brady is in fact trying to join.

Some findings below.

have highlighted[purple] some other names that a lot of I saw their whole careers or maybe some of the youngsters here have read about or have seen on video tape:mj07:


This is the list of 26 National Football League players who have reached the 200 passing touchdown milestone as of the end of the 2007 NFL season.



Rank Player Touchdowns
1 Brett Favre 442
2 Dan Marino 420
3 Fran Tarkenton 342
4 Peyton Manning 306 5 John Elway 300
6 Warren Moon 291
7 Johnny Unitas 290
8 Vinny Testaverde 275
9 Joe Montana 273
10 Dave Krieg 261
11 Sonny Jurgensen 255
12 Dan Fouts 254 13 Drew Bledsoe 251
14 Boomer Esiason 247
15 John Hadl 244
16 Len Dawson 239
17 Jim Kelly 237
18 George Blanda 236
19 Steve Young 232
20 John Brodie 214
21 Terry Bradshaw 212
22 Y.A. Tittle 212
23 Jim Hart 209
24 Randall Cunningham 207
25 Jim Everett 203
26 Roman Gabriel 201

Brady 197




All-time wins by a starting quarterback in NFL history
As of December 30, 2007 (regular season only; minimum 100 wins):



Name Period Wins 1 Brett Favre 1991-Present 160
2 John Elway 1983-1998 148
3 Dan Marino 1983-1999 147
4 Fran Tarkenton 1961-1978 125
5 Johnny Unitas 1956-1973 119
6 Joe Montana 1979-1994 117
7 Terry Bradshaw 1970-1983 107
8 Peyton Manning 1998-Present 105
9 Warren Moon 1984-2000 102
10 Jim Kelly 1986-1996 101

Brady 86



Most Passes Completed, Career


Player Comp
1. Brett Favre (Active) 5377
2. Dan Marino 4967
3. John Elway 4123
4. Warren Moon 3988
5. Drew Bledsoe 3839
6. Vinny Testaverde (Active) 3787
7. Fran Tarkenton 3686
8. Peyton Manning (Active) 3468
9. Joe Montana 3409
10. Dan Fouts 3297
11. Dave Krieg 3105
12. Boomer Esiason 2969
13. Kerry Collins (Active) 2918
14. Troy Aikman 2898
15. Steve DeBerg 2874
15. Jim Kelly 2874
17. Jim Everett 2841
18. Johnny Unitas 2830
19. Mark Brunell (Active) 2738
20. Steve McNair 2733

Active Players Closing In
Player Comp
23. Brad Johnson 2627
32. Jon Kitna 2394
39. Tom Brady 2294
43. Donovan McNabb 2189
50. Jeff Garcia 2020


Player Passing Yds

1. Brett Favre (Active) 61655
2. Dan Marino 61361
3. John Elway 51475
4. Warren Moon 49325
5. Fran Tarkenton 47003
6. Vinny Testaverde (Active) 46233
7. Drew Bledsoe 44611
8. Dan Fouts 43040
9. Peyton Manning (Active) 41626
10. Joe Montana 40551
11. Johnny Unitas 40239
12. Dave Krieg 38147
13. Boomer Esiason 37920
14. Jim Kelly 35467
15. Jim Everett 34837
16. Kerry Collins (Active) 34717
17. Jim Hart 34665
18. Steve DeBerg 34241
19. John Hadl 33503
20. Phil Simms 33462 :scared

Active Players Closing In
Player Yds
26. Mark Brunell 31826
36. Brad Johnson 28627
48. Jon Kitna 26535
49. Tom Brady 26370
52. Donovan McNabb 25404
61. Kurt Warner 24008
68. Jeff Garcia 22825


Given the #'s above .....Blitz's comment of "MAYBE" was a case of just being nice in his retort to a message on the forum.

Mr. Brady is poised to join some rarefied "AIR" in his career w/his body of work.


please feel free to correct any stats...
 
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Unitas only played a 12 game season. his numbers would have been a lot higher, obviously, with a 16 game season ;)

As a *BALTIMORE* Colt :SIB
 
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Interesting Topic....

I'm not sure which side you are arguing - based on stats to date, he is nowhere close to the best ever (obviously). I think that is the point you were trying to make - but it is hard to tell based on the text of your message.

I'll certainly agree that Brady had the best SEASON ever by a QB this year. Hands down - no doubt about it.

But given that Brady is 30 already - and is so far down the list off all the important stats, he'll have to play a long time yet to be considered the best ever. He's only thrown 30 TD's in a year ONCE - this year.

Most people (I think) view TD passes thrown as the holy grail for a QB - much like the HR record in baseball. It is not the only stat that matters of course, but it seems to be the most important.

Right now Brady has 197..... the current "best ever" Brett Favre has 442 and counting. Assuming Favre plays next year, I would assume another 25 on top of the 442 to reach 467 for his career (and who knows, he may play more than 1 more year).

For Brady to reach 467 by age 40 means he'd have to AVERAGE 27 TD's a year for the next 10 years. Doable? Yes. Will he do it? We'll see.

Tom Brady. Greatest YEAR ever? Oh yea. Best QB ever? Not even close.

Now, if we are talking Peyton Manning - yes, he very well may own every record by the time he calls it quits.

But for now? Brett Favre (based on numbers) is the best ever. Also, the only player in league history to win 3 MVP's in a row.
 
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I think there is no denying that Brady is one of the all time best QB we have seen .


The thing that makes him so great is his accuracy and his consistant play when the game is on the line. He is tall and stands in the pocket well.
He moves up and avoids sacks. He seldom fumbles and always protects the ball. His TD to interception ratio is very good.

He is smart as hell and knows what everyone is doing on the field. He reads defenses well. The guy is a gamer.

what more can you say about Brady .

Of course I put Peyton in the same class.
 
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Scott-Atlanta said:
I think there is no denying that Brady is one of the all time best QB we have seen .


The thing that makes him so great is his accuracy and his consistant play when the game is on the line. He is tall and stands in the pocket well.
He moves up and avoids sacks. He seldom fumbles and always protects the ball. His TD to interception ratio is very good.

He is smart as hell and knows what everyone is doing on the field. He reads defenses well. The guy is a gamer.

what more can you say about Brady .

Of course I put Peyton in the same class.
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Let him Qback Cinncy or Kansas city for a couple years then lets talk greatness....:SIB
 
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Total stats are not the be all and end all for determining the greatest QB. Bledsoe is ahead of Montana in a lot of stats, but who was a better QB.

You need to look at the big picture. How did he play when the game is on the line? How did he play in big games?

I am not saying Brady is the greatest of all time. You could argue who is the greatest forever. Several QB's qualify for greatest ever and I think you could make a good arguement for several.

I would say that after only 7 seasons as a starter, Brady is clearly among the games greatest, as are Manning & Favre...
 
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How many on that list took their team to 3 Super Bowl championships and won 2 Super Bowl MVPs?

Also, according to your "list" Fran Tarkenton must be better than Joe Montana huh?:mj07:

On another point, you conveniently leave out INTs. If we are going to compare the good shouldn't we also compare the bad?

Taking Favre (since by your list he is top dog) and breaking down TDs and INTs then dividing by the number of years played Favre tops Brady by an avg of 26 TDs to 25. Taking INTs also into account Favre throughout his career has averaged 17INTs a season while Brady has averaged 10.

Puts quite a different look on your comparison.
 
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First, I think brady proved he is head and shoulders over manning this year...today was typical peyton who probably has more first round playoff exits than any other qb... And he had tons of chances at the end of the game to win it.

As far as being the best qb ever, he is making a case. What more does he have to do, hes accomplished every goal you could ask a qb to do: 16-0, multiple super bowls and mvps, peeled off 21 straight wins, late game heroics, just yesterday he surpased simms for highest completion %, and the td record. (He will most likely surpass montana in total tds, wins, and yards)
 
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