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I've only been casually following this whole drama, and I have a few questions for people more knowledgeable than me (not hard) about this deal. I'm being sincere with these questions and not trying get into an argument. I really don't know.

I've never heard of a recall election, or whatever, until this stuff. Is California the only state that has this clause, and what are the parameters for a 'recall'?

I know that Cali has tons of problems, but what, if any one or any of several things, sent this thing into this spiral?

What did Davis do that pissed so many people off for it to come to this?

How does this work? Once his opponent in this recall election is selected, then what? Just a simple general vote to decide who wins?

The whole thing just seems weird, but I live in the second weirdest state in the US (after Cali of course), so i'm used to it.

If anybody could educate me on any of these questions, I would appreciate it.
 

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I live in the second weirdest state in the US (after Cali of course), so i'm used to it.
and you're FROM Cleveland :rolleyes: LMFAO!!

sorry for taking a dump in your thread but i couldn't resist.
 

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You think that shit's funny, huh Jack? Hey, Lake Erie hasn't caught on fire for at least 15 years. That's *something*, at least. :shrug:
 

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if i were in california id vote for larry flynt. he wants to legalize gambling.
 

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I will give this a pedestrian shot.

Q. Is California the only state that has this clause, and what are the parameters for a 'recall'?
A. Apparently, there are many states that have the recall option. In California, for instance, it came into law about 90 years ago, and there has actually been a recall effort versus every sitting governor since, but until now, none have been successful because for one to go to ballot, there must be enough verified signatures on the recall petition. The amount of verified signatures necessary is 10% of the turnout for the actual election. This one was successful because of the EXTREMELY low turnout. Less than 9 million voters showed up to the polls last November.

Q. I know that Cali has tons of problems, but what, if any one or any of several things, sent this thing into this spiral?
A. In a nutshell, the mismanagement of the so-called "power crisis" in 2001, a $38 billion budget deficit and his general overall gross dishonesty regarding those two issues in particular, even for politician standards.

Q. What did Davis do that pissed so many people off for it to come to this?
A. The answer to the above question applies here also. There are several other issues that have pissed off both political parties and the general electorate, but these are the biggies.

Q. How does this work? Once his opponent in this recall election is selected, then what? Just a simple general vote to decide who wins?
A. As of today, the California Supreme Court has made his FINAL ruling that the election will be held on October 7th. ANYBODY can get into this race for a fee of $3,500, I think. On October 7th, voters will have two measures. The first is to vote for or against the recall. The second is to choose one of the candidates in the recall field. At the end of the day, if NO on recall wins, Davis remains governor. If YES wins, the person with the most votes in the recall field becomes governor at MIDNIGHT.
 

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Thanks a lot, Timbo. I really appreciate you taking the time to respond. Everything that you said makes sense and I learned a lot from your post. I'm going to try to follow it more closely because it's an intriguing situation, IMO.
 

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good post, timbo.

i have another question for you or anybody else that might know.

what is this recall costing the taxpayers of cali. ?


i just read that there are 17 states besides cali. that have this clause & the last successful recall took place in 1921.

sorry that's all i know.

it's interesting to learn about this, so if anyone else has info about this, please contribute.
 

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Good answers, Timbo. Davis is perhaps the most dishonest politician alive. Immediately prior to the governor's election, he stated that the budget deficit was going to be about 14-16 bllion. The day after he was elected, the deficit climbed into the high 20's. Then it greaq againto its present state of 38 billion. He tried to use bookkeeping techniques to bail himself out, but that didn't work. H recently gave the Prison guards an approximate 33% raise despite the budget problem. Of course, they have donated millions to his cause. He recently ok'd a bill that will allow policeman and fireman to retire with 100% pay at the age of 50 with x amount of years. The police and firemen are also big Davis donors. His history is rife with examples every bit as egregious, if not worse, than these. He spentd most of his time soliciting funds and very little time attempting to fix state problems. He wants to give illegal aliens (undocumented workers) the right to get a California Driver's License. The list goes on and on. every campaign he has run has been marred by his devotion to trashing his opponent rather than focusing on what he has done. During he last few years the adjusted rate of inflation and population growth in California has been about 20%, davis has increased spending about 40%. Even though there was a supposed freeze on hiring, Davis has added over 44,000 new states jobs in the past few years. when califonrians were given a rebate on auto license fees, he cost the state hundreds of thousands of dollars in excess costs when he demanded that the checks basically come from "him", so the people getting rebates were aware of his move. Now he has overseen the tripling of the car tax this year. And that is only the tip of the iceburg. His approval rating has dipped as low as 20% with all segments of California voters, including dems.
 

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the way California is now after Davis, the place looks ungovernable

perhaps the worst elected official in the past 50 years in the country
 

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His father was a NAZI, you know. Yeah, that?s right. Arnold Schwartzenegger?s father was a Hitler storm trooper and a Nazi. That was his father, not Arnold. My father was a Democrat. We all have our crosses to bear. I am bringing this up, though, because I want you to watch the left play around with this little factoid over the next 60 days.

The man Democrats once touted as a good future presidential prospect is now facing a recall election in California where his popularity ranks somewhere below that of canker sores. With Arnold in the race the Democrats fear a Republican takeover. They will react, and they will react viciously. Remember, this is the same political party that paid for advertisements telling black folks that if they voted for Republicans their churches would be burned. No campaign rhetoric is too vile for Democrats ? so look for big play on the political background of Arnold?s father.


By the way, you do know that Gray Davis served in Vietnam don't you? Yup, just like John Kerry. Gray Davis was up there in front of the microphones yesterday reminding the people of California that he had served ?as an Army Captain in Vietnam.? While service in our Armed Forces is certainly honorable, and service in Vietnam was hell, but there wasn?t to my knowledge anything in the water over there that made ordinary people more qualified to serve in political office. Let?s see if Davis makes this a regular part of his campaign stump speech, as Kerry has done.
 

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SUPERSTAR'S PAST MAY GIVE AMMO TO ENEMIES AND SMEAR-SEEKERS

By TODD VENEZIA



August 8, 2003 -- The husband of a Kennedy. The son of a Nazi. A dad of four who's been accused of groping other women.
Arnold Schwarzenegger's family life has been as intriguing as his movie career and his days as the world's greatest muscleman.

But some stories from his past could cause him trouble in a hard-fought political battle.

The Terminator was born in Thal, Austria, a small village near Graz, on July 30, 1947, the son of Gustav Schwarzenegger, a policeman who hoped his boy would take up soccer instead of bodybuilding and even limited the amount of time he worked out.

Schwarzenegger has said his dad always told him he could rise to greatness - yet he was no role model.

"My father was one of the people I never wanted to be," he told People magazine. "You know, just working for the government, then retiring."

His late father also was a member of the Nazi Party.
Gustav joined after Germany took over Austria in 1938. He has never been linked to any atrocities, and he returned to ordinary police work for years before his death in 1972.

Opponents hungry to batter the big-screen strongman with this information may cause little damage, mostly because Schwarzenegger himself reportedly commissioned the probe by the Simon Wiesenthal Center that revealed his dad's past - and because the actor has given generously to Jewish groups over the years.

What may cause more damage is Schwarzenegger's relationship to Kurt Waldheim, the former Austrian leader with a Nazi past. The actor reportedly invited Waldheim to his 1986 wedding to wife Maria Shriver, but that was before Waldheim's past was generally known. He was spotted, however, in 1998 sitting with Waldheim at a political event in Austria.

Schwarzenegger's support in the Jewish community remains solid.

"To suggest that Arnold's an anti-Semite is preposterous," Rabbi Marvin Hier, the Wiesenthal center dean said recently.

Schwarzenegger came to America at age 21 and met journalist Shriver at a celebrity tennis tournament nine years later. Shriver is the daughter of former Peace Corps head Sargent Shriver and Eunice Kennedy Shriver, sister to JFK and RFK.

Schwarzenegger was a rock-ribbed Republican even then, but he was accepted by the nation's foremost Democrats because of his strong personality and his status as a self-made millionaire.

He even inspired John F. Kennedy Jr. to take up weightlifting.

The pair have four children: Katherine, born in 1989, Christina, born in 1991, Patrick, born in 1993, and Christopher, born in 1997.

Though their marriage has lasted an eternity by Hollywood standards, Schwarzenegger has faced accusations of philandering.

In 2000, Schwarzenegger was accused of groping several female TV hosts in London. One, Anna Richardson, said he pulled her onto his knee and fondled her breasts after saying, "I really want to know if your breasts are real."

Schwarzenegger, who has denied the charges, dropped out of the California governor's race in 2001, a day after he learned The National Enquirer was going to run a story about an alleged affair with a former child star who was 16 when they first met.

Again, he denied the charges.

As he announced his new candidacy, he acknowledged that the allegations were likely to resurface.

"I know they're going to throw everything at me . . . that I'm a womanizer, that I'm a terrible guy," he said. "All these things are going to come my way."
 

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I've got to laugh at that circus out there...

What about the serious politicians out there who have devoted a lifetime to politics only to have to run against a ticket full of clowns? Seems kind of deflating to the "serious" politician. How do you compete against 300 + idiots and pornstars? What campaign strategy would you use :shrug:

:rolleyes:

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Probably closer to 30mill, but every day Davis stays in office California falls further down the tube. As far as a negative campaign goes, you can expect it. It is a style of Davis and he has nothing positive to say about his term. Some of his own cornies (John Burton, etc) have said they will denounce him if he runs a "negative" campaign - and he will.
 

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By those 'serious' career politicians....are you referring to the likes of Ronald Regan (first political job = governor of California) that later tried to run the presidency by a weegie (sp?) board or G.W.Bush (first political job = governor of Texas) who isn't smart enough to know how to use a weegie board?

Yeah.....these "ticket full of clowns" (as you called it) should disappear but as long as there are gullible 'bottom feeder' (as Freeze would call it) voters......there will be 'clowns'.
 
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I understand folks want this recall because of that deficit. Also they say he might strech the turth.
Well 44 states have deficits. All politicians strech the truth. All seem to get hand outs from there special interest groups.
So in away Calf is no differnat then most places. Look at our country. The president had over 200 billion surplus given to him. It's all gone and were head for over 400 billion in deficits. Lord knows Bush has many special interest groups and they send money everyday. If we need recalls based on the above we should start at the top. Bush. Dame that man is pissing our money away every direction he can. Someone get the papers started.
 
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