Christian Pastor plans on burning korans on 9/11

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No, I don't think it's a sensible or prudent activity from a supposedly Christian pastor. I note the right wing for the most part has been silent on this issue, and I think there's a good reason for that.

I don't think God or Jesus would agree with doing it, either, but I'm far from an expert on it.

I think it's really stupid idea considering what will surely happen overseas, where our soldiers will be more threatened and would guess some would die because of it. I think our country supposedly stands for better things than burning religious books from other religions - in fact - it stands EXACTLY against that kind of behavior. And when someone from our country engages in it, it hurts the rest of us, and weakens our country.

People say we shouldn't care what one wacko does, and that he has the right to free speech. And yet, many in this country continue to hold an entire religious group accountable for the wacko actions of a few extremists. We see how one person can incite others to engage in the same behaviors - we have an example of that here, as we see. I'm sure there will be copycats out there that will come out to support the wacko, to show the other wackos that, um, I guess they CAN do that.

I don't think burning the main religious symbol of another religion is free speech, I think it's being done to incite another religion, which I don't think is protected. And I certainly don't think it's appropriate for someone who claims to be a man of God and all that stands for to be intolerant of another religion because of the actions of a few members of it.

That about sums it up.Nice write up.There's gotta be other ways to get your point across besides burning the Quran.
 

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This is just stupid. Its like someone burning a bunch of Bibles because of a few rapists who read the Bible. I've heard the Quran is full of hate but i've never read it. However, the same can be said of the Bible. Its full of genocide.
 

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You don't think that the fact that the American and British troops invaded these countries have anything to do with hatred of our countries?
 

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This asshole in Florida is going to create a....... (this for you Trench) SHIT STORM ! and the winds are already swirling.....
People want to rationalize this thing by arguing for Billy Bob's right to burn a Quran because it's within his First Amendment rights to do so. The problem is that Islamic fundamentalists aren't rational people and they have no interest in rational arguments or First Amendment rights.

Personally, I couldn't care less if Billy Bob burns a copy of the Quran in front of his flock of 50 or if some 3rd rate Imam in the Middle East wants to make a name for himself by burning a copy of the Bible. But I'm a rational person who's world views haven't been grossly distorted by the merging of extremist religion and politics. What I do care about is the safety of American soldiers and American citizens both at home and abroad.

I also agree with Chad's point that this will open the door to every copycat whackjob looking to make a name for himself. Which brings us back to Lumi's point... Billy Bob the belligerent preacher will have succeeded in creating a "shit storm".
 

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This weekend is going to be a touchy situation.

I don't remember any 9/11 with exception to the 1st anniversary being filled with so much drama and being held up with so much importance. Now PLEASE I don't want to be misunderstood on this point, but why such importance on the 9th anniversary? Something is building up, I'm not sure what it is, but I hope I have prepared for it properly.
 

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This weekend is going to be a touchy situation.

I don't remember any 9/11 with exception to the 1st anniversary being filled with so much drama and being held up with so much importance. Now PLEASE I don't want to be misunderstood on this point, but why such importance on the 9th anniversary? Something is building up, I'm not sure what it is, but I hope I have prepared for it properly.

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are you saying what I think your saying

about what was supposed to happen back in April that never happened, and now it will come with a vengence full bore ?

rioting, checkpoints, anarchy ?
 

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What I do care about is the safety of American soldiers and American citizens both at home and abroad.

I also agree with Chad's point that this will open the door to every copycat whackjob looking to make a name for himself. Which brings us back to Lumi's point... Billy Bob the belligerent preacher will have succeeded in creating a "shit storm".
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I care about our soldiers.

This incident will not make them any more or less in danger.

They are in a war. They are already in the middle of a shit storm.

Hell if the coward bastids would stop killing our ppl with IED and come out and fight , the war would be over.

This will not put them in eminent danger.

Geeez Louise. Let the nutjob burn it.
 

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I am saying because this 5* butthole in FLA wants to make a point that some Islamic Terror Team could raise the stakes.

What day did the oil rig go up? Who's Birthday falls on that day ? What else has happened that day ?
 

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Happy Birthday Hitler

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Fla. minister cancels burning of Qurans on 9/11
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By ANTONIO GONZALEZ, Associated Press Writer Antonio Gonzalez, Associated Press Writer ? 9 mins ago

GAINESVILLE, Fla. ? A Florida minister who had created an international furor with his plan to burn the Quran on the ninth anniversary of 9/11 canceled the event under intense pressure Thursday, saying he agreed to back off after reaching a deal to move the location of a controversial mosque near New York's ground zero. The imam planning the New York mosque said no such deal has been reached.

The Rev. Terry Jones announced his decision Thursday afternoon, standing outside his small church alongside Imam Muhammad Musri, the president of the Islamic Society of Central Florida. However, Musri and the imam planning the New York mosque disputed Jones' contention that a deal had been cut.

After the news conference, Musri told The Associated Press there was an agreement for him and Jones to travel to New York and meet Saturday ? on the actual anniversary of the 9/11 attacks ? with the imam overseeing plans to build a mosque near ground zero.

"I told the pastor that I personally believe the mosque should not be there, and I will do everything in my power to make sure it is moved," Musri said. "But there is not any offer from there (New York) that it will be moved. All we have agreed to is a meeting, and I think we would all like to see a peaceful resolution."

Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf said he was surprised by the announcement and that he would not barter.

Jones, the pastor of a Florida Pentecostal church of 50 members, has said that he believes the Quran is evil because it espouses something other than biblical truth and incites radical, violent behavior among Muslims.

Jones on Thursday said he prayed about the decision and that if the site of the mosque was moved, it would be a sign from God to call off the Quran burning.

"We are, of course, now against any other group burning Qurans," Jones said during the news conference. We would right now ask no one to burn Qurans. We are absolutely strong on that. It is not the time to do it."

His decision comes after a firestorm of criticism from leaders around the world. President Barack Obama, the top U.S. general in Afghanistan and several Christian leaders had urged Jones to reconsider his plans. They said his actions would endanger U.S. soldiers and provide a strong recruitment tool for Islamic extremists. Jones' protest also drew criticism from religious and political leaders from across the Muslim world.

They warned that the plan would put Americans in danger around the world. In Afghanistan, hundreds of angry Afghans burned an American flag and chanted "Death to the Christians" to protest the planned Quran burning.

Musri thanked Jones and his church members "for making the decision today to defuse the situation and bring to a positive end what has become the world over a spectacle that no one would benefit from except extremists and terrorists" who would use it to recruit future radicals.

Russ Blackburn, Gainesville city manager: "It's very good news for Gainesville and good news for everyone involved."

Jones' neighbors in Gainesville, a city of 125,000 anchored by the sprawling University of Florida campus, also have said they disapprove. At least two dozen Christian churches, Jewish temples and Muslim organizations in the city have mobilized to plan inclusive events ? some will read from the Quran at their own weekend services.

Jones' Dove Outreach Center is independent of any denomination. It follows the Pentecostal tradition, which teaches that the Holy Spirit can manifest itself in the modern day. Pentecostals often view themselves as engaged in spiritual warfare against satanic forces.


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Pastor DumbTwit's "stunt" in Florida is most certainly a stupid desecration we should all condemn. But the predictable statements that it's a recruiting bonanza for terrorists and threat to out troops dramatically misses the essential point, as usual.

These provocative stunts, cartoons, etc are just pretexts. The cause is Islamist ideology.

We may get some increase in violence as a result of it, if it had managed to take place, but our threat is not book burnings or cartoons. It is, rather, that civilization and those states inflamed with this ideology. Cultures of people looking for excuses to make violence and terrorism.

This "stunt" is done against Christian and Jewish books and their dear religious symbols in a clear, systematic and state sanctioned action every day in many Muslim countries. Been going on for centuries. In Saudi Arabia it is simply considered good law enforcement to burn these books.

You don't see Jews and Christians rushing into terrorist organizations because of it tho.

Everyone rightfully criticizing that Dunce in Florida should also use the teachable moment to criticize this ideology instrumental in inflaming so many people toward violence.
 

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--Glad to see all the liberals here and liberal media have a change of heart--"all of a sudden"

Wasn't long ago they were all cheering their media favs Al Jazeera and NYT running joint articles on running prison photo's for 43 straight days-- jeopardizing troops big time--

And newsweek running bogus article they later retracted on our troops flushing Koran down toilets-
Newsweek retracts Quran story
http://articles.cnn.com/2005-05-16/...wsweek-editor-mark-whitaker-quran?_s=PM:WORLD

Yep those were back in days when surges were bad--gitmo would be closed ETC

Wonder what changed-- :SIB
 

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--Glad to see all the liberals here and liberal media have a change of heart--"all of a sudden"
Your attempt to compare shoddy journalism with Billy Bob the belligerent preacher's actions, is itself an act of desperation, but at least it's consistent with your neocon views. :0008
 

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Your all so obvious--especially you cyber trolls here who were pounding the drums on prison scandals--picketing recruiting stations with your pinkie punks--

Now all of a sudden you see the Grifter in action again-- doin the ole flop--and now you try to act concerned about the troops- Sheeez

You forget--I've witnessed your kind since the day I got off plane in Oakland in 71.

The :talk: when you were on other side of fence--and kurby as we went through gate to your side.

Only diff now--you hide hehind computer vs fence--

Don't care for the preacher one bit a viewhim as publicity seeker--if everyone would have ignored him initially --this would be non issue-

However this will never be non issue--



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